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**MajorTom11**

From Bols http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/11/40k-rumors-grey-knight-chatter.html

1) Further reinforcement of this being a Grey Knight/Inquisition book. Almost all the chatter has died down regarding inducted IG, and allied Space Marines. This is fundamentally said to be an Astartes book with some flavoring added in.

2) Lots of talk of the book containing all Grey Knights units with only Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors w/retinues as choices not hailing from Titan.

3)Speaking of Inquisitors, they are said to reflect the entirety of the Inquisition (whatever that means), as opposed to the previous codex's "Daemonhunters" focus.

4) As you would imagine from #2 above a lot of units from the current Daemonhunters codex are missing. Daemonhosts, DeathCult Assassins, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are all supposedly being wrapped into the Inquisitor's retinue options along with all the old favorites. These retinue units have many, many, exotic options (said to easily outstrip the Dark Eldar Archon's retinue options).

5) Lots of all new psychic powers all around, including Grey Knight Vehicles who are said to be difficult to stop.

6) Stormraven is a GO! It is also said to fulfill a critical role in the codex with the Grey Knight infantry having little access to "traditional" heavy and special weapons found in other Marine books.

7) LOTS of new independent characters, and tons of new Grey Knight fluff.

8) Continued chatter of both GK Terminators and powered armored versions as troops.

9) Talk places this codex at the new extreme of "elite" armies, in the 40k metagame diametrically opposed to horde type play.

10) Talk still points to March 2011 for this one.

**H.B.M.C.**

4) As you would imagine from #2 above a lot of units from the current Daemonhunters codex are missing. Daemonhosts, DeathCult Assassins, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are all supposedly being wrapped into the Inquisitor's retinue options along with all the old favorites. These retinue units have many, many, exotic options (said to easily outstrip the Dark Eldar Archon's retinue options).

My whole army reduced to a Retinue.

Thanks GW. Now I almost know how Squat players feel... oh wait, sorry, I already know how they feel. I play LatD.

**wolfshadow**

I signed up as well.

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MajorTom11 wrote:From Bols http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/11/40k-rumors-grey-knight-chatter.html

1) Further reinforcement of this being a Grey Knight/Inquisition book. Almost all the chatter has died down regarding inducted IG, and allied Space Marines. This is fundamentally said to be an Astartes book with some flavoring added in.

2) Lots of talk of the book containing all Grey Knights units with only Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors w/retinues as choices not hailing from Titan.

3)Speaking of Inquisitors, they are said to reflect the entirety of the Inquisition (whatever that means), as opposed to the previous codex's "Daemonhunters" focus.

4) As you would imagine from #2 above a lot of units from the current Daemonhunters codex are missing. Daemonhosts, DeathCult Assassins, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are all supposedly being wrapped into the Inquisitor's retinue options along with all the old favorites. These retinue units have many, many, exotic options (said to easily outstrip the Dark Eldar Archon's retinue options).

5) Lots of all new psychic powers all around, including Grey Knight Vehicles who are said to be difficult to stop.

6) Stormraven is a GO! It is also said to fulfill a critical role in the codex with the Grey Knight infantry having little access to "traditional" heavy and special weapons found in other Marine books.

7) LOTS of new independent characters, and tons of new Grey Knight fluff.

8) Continued chatter of both GK Terminators and powered armored versions as troops.

9) Talk places this codex at the new extreme of "elite" armies, in the 40k metagame diametrically opposed to horde type play.

10) Talk still points to March 2011 for this one.

About 2 pages late there Major.

**H.B.M.C.**

It's not his fault. Taco Bell exists within a time dilation field so when they post something as 'news', sometimes two weeks after it was initially reported here or at Whineseer or where ever, it's not really their fault. To us, they appear to be moving slowly, but for them everything is normal speed.

And then someone copies it from them to us, and then we get to play the game of whether they'll re-re-report the news again on their own front page (taken from us taken from them and taken from us again). It's fun!

**wolfshadow**

More reiterating that I posted the same thing 2 pages before.
And I blatantly steal stuff from everywhere I can find it and repost it if it hasnt been posted yet.

**AlexHolker**

Those Blood of Kittens rumours are starting to become available.

Warseer link

**wolfshadow**

Some of them have a distict 'smell' to them. Most feel on the ball.

Like the idea of "Blessed hull'.

**tastytaste**

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2010/12/01/network-news-grey-knight-leaks-rumors-part-1/

Here is the direct link to BoK stuff =)

**Kroothawk**

And here it is reposted:

The GK will play completely different from any Marine dex before. This is going to be the elite army of elite armies you can run a 2000 point army with as little as 20 models and still have a good chance of winning games. Now on to the leaks!

Here is some clarification of the big rumors that have been floated around the Internet concerning the GK codex.

1. GK codex WILL NOT have inducted units. Allies are effectively gone!

2. If it has boobies it will not be in the GK codex if has man parts it will be in this dex. That means Penitent Engines, Argo flagellants, Priests are in.

3. GK and GKT have plastic kits and will be troop choices.

4. Release Date is March-May window.

5. The Stormraven is in (duh) and along with Penitent Engines are currently the only two Fast Attacks slots in the dex.

6. Look for HQs changing the FoC around

7. GW will not take away your toys meaning if you bought 50 Imperial Storm Troopers they will have a place in the GK codex

8. Assassins are in as an Elite slot and any type of GK army can take them.

Let us start with the mundane stuff

GKs are Space Marines they do not have Fearless or Stubborn they have Combat Tactics and They Shall Know No Fear

GKs only vehicles options are Land Raiders, Razorbacks, Rhinos, Chimera and Stormraven. All GK vehicles are immune to Shaken and Stunned. Stormraven is not a dedicated Transport.

GKs do not get Bikes, Jump Packs, or Chaplains

All GKs are psyker and their powers act very much in the same way as Psyker Battle Squad.

GKs will not have access to most Vanilla Marine Gear especially Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons (No Melta Spamming)

Let us get down to some specifics

Brother-Captain Stern has Eternal Warrior and his attacks can remove models from play.

The Grand Master gives out special abilities to GK units (Not USRs) We are talking weapon upgrades and minor wargear bonuses.

All GKs cause Deep Striking units to mishap if placed within 6 inches of any Grey Knight unit.

All GKs Nemesis Force Weapons are Force Weapons and no longer Str 6.

Unlike the Archon’s court from the Dark Eldar Codex Henchman + Witchhunter rejects are Elite slots. These Squads can be mixed and have many options. For instance the Warrior can get Storm Shields and power weapon. Henchman act more like Beast Master Squads than the Archon’s Court.

Henchman include everything Daemonhosts, Death-Cult Assassins, Argo flagellants, Priests, Stormtroopers, Warriors

Holocaust is now 12 inch large blast

Mystic is now only a teleport homer

All GK vehicles are immune to Shaken and Stunned (Sacred Hull). Stormraven is not a dedicated Transport. All GK vehicles are psykers with LD 10

Blessed is now a vehicle psychic power that picks one facing and raises the AV by 2 to a max of 14

GKs have access to GK Command Squads giving them access to Apothecaries (FNP)

Vindicare has unlimited ammo for all special shots.

Okie guys this does it for Part 1 of Grey Knight rumors. Everyone still has time to join the Grey Knight rumor group by registering with BoK. Come back in about 10 hours when the second wave of leaks are spilled for your enjoyment found only on the Blood of Kittens Network.

**aka_mythos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not his fault. Taco Bell exists within a time dilation field so when they post something as 'news', sometimes two weeks after it was initially reported here or at Whineseer or where ever, it's not really their fault. To us, they appear to be moving slowly, but for them everything is normal speed.

And then someone copies it from them to us, and then we get to play the game of whether they'll re-re-report the news again on their own front page (taken from us taken from them and taken from us again). It's fun!

I just hate when the Taco Bell of Lost souls repeats something they copied and everyone says its proof that rumor has be reaffirmed by another source and should be treated as somehow more valid than when it was posted here or Warseer first.

**malfred**

Those blood of kitten leaks are so much better than those stupid diplomatic cables...

**Melissia**

MajorTom11 wrote:3)Speaking of Inquisitors, they are said to reflect the entirety of the Inquisition (whatever that means), as opposed to the previous codex's "Daemonhunters" focus.

This is great news for Sisters.

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Kroothawk wrote:That means Penitent Engines, Argo flagellants, Priests are in.

Wait what? Why should they be in? These aren't part of the Inquisition or Grey Knights.

**Kilkrazy**

This sounds awesome.

I am so going to do a GK army using the heaps of first edition Spulk figures I have lying around.

**Gitzbitah**

If the rumors are true, and you can really make a 20 model 2,000 point army, I think that everyone will buy a Grey Knight army. GW can recoup their expenses with codex sales.

**AlexHolker**

Gitzbitah wrote:If the rumors are true, and you can really make a 20 model 2,000 point army, I think that everyone will buy a Grey Knight army. GW can recoup their expenses with codex sales.

They wouldn't need to do that: if GW deigned to not screw us on price, the Grey Knights could be the perfect second army. The TAGK box would sell like hotcakes.

**aka_mythos**

Melissia wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:That means Penitent Engines, Argo flagellants, Priests are in.
Wait what? Why should they be in? These aren't part of the Inquisition or Grey Knights.

From whats been said its a penitent engine piloted by a grey knight, so it might not be an identical unit. The Priest I think you can assume are tag alongs for the limited guardsmen selection... coming from the same regiment. The Argo Flagellants, are a bit weird to include I agree, but my guess is its to make up for daemonhosts... which I believe are gone. My guess is that GW in an attempt to move towards more plastics wants Archo-flagellants to be done in plastic, so are including them in the Grey Knights book just to open up more avenues of sales. It will be interesting to see if SoB get anything new out of this separate codex but commingled unit choices.

**puma713**

aka_mythos wrote: The Argo Flagellants, are a bit weird to include I agree, but my guess is its to make up for daemonhosts... which I believe are gone.

According to the BoK rumors, daemonhosts can be chosen as a part of the retinue, along with arco-flagellants.

**ph34r**

No IST... no conscripted guard? Uhhh.... wat

**Therion**

Wow, those are some nice rumours I have to say. The +2 armour for vehicle facing in addition to the 'mishap if you deep strike within melta double pen range of my vehicle' ON TOP OF THE immunity to shakens and stuns makes the GK vehicles badass. Now it's all down to the points costs. If they cost about the same as BA vehicles this might become the king of all vehicle spam lists. Especially if the GK stormtroopers/ig guys have access to double/triple meltas. Be the mech GK a triple/whatever AV14 Stormraven army or just AV13 Razor/AV14 Chimera spam, you can colour me interested.

**Kilkrazy**

The implication of a 20 model, 2,000 point army is that all these marvellous buffs will be very expensive.

But that is the point. A very tough army with a low model count will present new tactical challenges to both sides.

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And therefore attractive for playing interest as well as portability.

People with mid-range armies like Tyranids, SMs or Tau might seriously consider a GK army to be carried at the same time.

Also with so few models, it will be worth putting extra effort into the conversion and painting.

**prime12357**

AlexHolker wrote:
Gitzbitah wrote:If the rumors are true, and you can really make a 20 model 2,000 point army, I think that everyone will buy a Grey Knight army. GW can recoup their expenses with codex sales.

They wouldn't need to do that: if GW deigned to not screw us on price, the Grey Knights could be the perfect second army. The TAGK box would sell like hotcakes.

I'D buy some

**Alpharius**

It is interesting, but it is also hard to see GW getting behind low model count armies.

Unless everything in them is really expensive.

Well, more expensive then usual...

**Platuan4th**

Alpharius wrote:It is interesting, but it is also hard to see GW getting behind low model count armies.

Unless everything in them is really expensive.

Well, more expensive then usual...

Well, duh.

You just know Grey Knights are gonna be the next "Goldswords" pricing style unit.

**Grundz**

Platuan4th wrote:
Well, duh.

You just know Grey Knights are gonna be the next "Goldswords" pricing style unit.

Obviously
GW's profit margins are already pretty absurd, having an excuse to have "premium" modeled army will just raise the bottom line that tiny bit more, in a few years they can raise everything up to that bottom line and profit even more!

**Kirasu**

I guess BA got the 1st edition Storm raven.. The iRaven 2.0 now has multitasking, flash and a user removable battery!.. Er I mean immune to stun/shaken.. +2 armor on a facing and its fast attack

Just goes to show.. it sucks to be an early adopter

**aka_mythos**

Therion wrote:Wow, those are some nice rumours I have to say. The +2 armour for vehicle facing in addition to the 'mishap if you deep strike within melta double pen range of my vehicle' ON TOP OF THE immunity to shakens and stuns makes the GK vehicles badass. Now it's all down to the points costs. If they cost about the same as BA vehicles this might become the king of all vehicle spam lists. Especially if the GK stormtroopers/ig guys have access to double/triple meltas. Be the mech GK a triple/whatever AV14 Stormraven army or just AV13 Razor/AV14 Chimera spam, you can colour me interested.

Except GK armies tend not to have a lot of units... and how much do you want to bet the such a +2 armor upgrade is going to cost so much spamming it will be to expensive. I doubt it will be available to anything other than Marine vehicles.

You have to read between the lines... why do GK have "blessed" vehicles with better armor... becuase they will have fewer units and thus fewer vehicles... with fewer vehicles they need to be that much more reliable and survivable. So unlike a BA list that spams 6 razorbacks and a whole bunch of other vehicles, they might be able to have 6 razorbacks but that would be it, there is no rest of the army.

**AlexHolker**

More Blood of Kittens rumours

...many of them stupid. I really wish GW would quit making specific special characters essential to certain army types.

**daedalus**

Can someone copy/paste them for me? Warseer's blocked.

**bhsman**

Glad you guys could make it! Now it is time for the real good stuff. Let us not dilly dally! If people take these rumors and run just mention where ever you post them where you got them from that is all I ask!

GKs have access to many weapon upgrades.

GKs can pay for + str or rending for their storm bolters

Grand Masters give D3 special powers to Grey Knight units. Things like Digital Weapons, Master Crafted weapons, Wolf Standard, but with GK names.

Psycannon is Str 7 rending ap 4 either can fire 2 shots moving or 4 shots standing still.

Incenerator Str 5 ap 4 rending

Callidus Assassin = Long Fangs and Lootas no more. Works like Lictors/Marbo drops a str 4 ap 2 large blast when enters play and can still use the Neural Shredder which is now Str 8 ap 2.

The other Assassin are just updated versions of their old selves with the Culexus especially devastating to Psykers.

Their are three special character Inquisitors at least one will make Henchman Troop choices.

One GKs Special character will make Purgation Squads Troops (yes you heard that right) you can spam psycannons all you want.

One GK Special Character can take cheap termies talking Chaos Space Marine Terminator Cheap.

Grey Knights are “around” Plague Marine Cost

GKT are “around” vanilla marine termy cost.

Nemesis Force Weapons can be upgrade as well (increase initiative is one option).

Grey Knights do get a MC a cross between a Talos and Karamazov Elite choice. The plastic kit is done on this one so expect it with GK launch.

Dreadnoughts are Heavy Support.

GKT can mix and match Nemeis Force Weapons and TT/SS and get psy weapons as well.

Any GK unit can once per game gate of infinity with no deviation in the movement face and can shoot, but not assault. This could still be changed to become the new Grey Knight Teleport Attack and moved to Fast Attack slot.

Fluff– All GKs are subservient to the Inquisition beck and call. The drivers of GK vehicles are the Psykers not the vehicles themselves.

Ok guys that is it for now as I am able to get more specifics will have more updates.

I have held back one leak that I find to be the best. All of you come back to Blood of Kittens on Friday where the best Grey Knights have to offer will be revealed. No registration required.

Thanks again for joining up! Please stick around start a group, make some comments, and generally enjoy the new Blood of Kittens!

**Melissia**

aka_mythos wrote:
Melissia wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:That means Penitent Engines, Argo flagellants, Priests are in.
Wait what? Why should they be in? These aren't part of the Inquisition or Grey Knights.
From whats been said its a penitent engine piloted by a grey knight, so it might not be an identical unit.

So it's just a different unit with the same name?

That is unbelievably stupid, and therefor believable.