Grey Knights Black Box in stores March 12th/ pics on page 12 onwards.

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**mikhaila**

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hey guys... Im a little disapointed...

The Termies are the only box i really liked, they are awesome, and the price is very nice... Imagine what is possible with some AoBR termies? Its my own impression, or they give us 13 arms on that kit? and 5 copies of each CCW? Really nice! But they dont win Space Wolves termies yet ^^

PAGK by other side... Its not the models in it, its just i dont imagine me using only 5 of those guys in any squad, and for that price 10 guys is a lot... Perhaps, it is still possible to make 15 PAGK from one PAGK box + regular marines (and some greenstuff). Additionally, those box really add new conversions to the hobby.

About the dreadknight... The model is nice, have a nice style, the legs seens a bit odd, need some "refinement" (i think it is to tall). I like "Combat Suits" a lot, specially this Matrix/Avatar variant. But it dont sound Emperium of Mankind at all, it dont look Adeptus Mechanicus, or Space Marines, or Grey Knights... GW made Stormraven a brick with wings to keep the "general design" of space marines, now they tottaly ignore general design, and realease a model that looks awesome, but dont look 40k.

PAGK are the same price they were before, and people bought and fielded large units of them, no real change. More expensive than 10 tactical marines, but also with a lot of conversion bits in them. I was impressed with the number of bits in both boxes.

Dreadknight I like for the fact that it isn't a marine in a box driving a robot. We have a dreadnaught already. The DK is a different approach, and I like the distinction between the two. But he needs banners. I'd do them at the waist, backbanner, and from the arms, like an older titan model.

**kronk**

The terminators and PA guys look sweet. I actually like the bolter clips on the side.

The Dreadnight is silly. The Hangover pictures with the baby are spot on.

I could make an acceptable Lord Draigo out of bits and bobs from the other boxes. $22 is too high.

**Pyriel-**

There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

I thought Ward only did the codex/rules/fluff, not design and decide what all models will look like.

**Redemption**

Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?

**Grundz**

Redemption wrote:Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?

also requoting half screen pictures so you can post 3 words about it.

**R3con**

I keep thinking about

**puma713**

Not sure if it was posted here already, but some more rules tidbits and clarifications are hitting the interwebs:

BoLS wrote:
•Nemesis Force Sword: +1 to existing invulnerable saves.
•Nemesis Force Halberd: +2 initative.
•Nemesis Force Stave: Grants a 2+ invulnerable save versus close combat wounds.
•All NFWs have Daemonbane: ignoring eternal warrior for daemons and psykers.
•Brotherhood Banner: 25 points +1 attack to all models in the unit, and automatically pass force weapon pyschic tests.
•Psybolt Ammo: gives +1 Strength to Stormbolters,Hurricane bolters,Heavy bolters, Auto Cannons and Assault cannons. ~OUCH!!!
•Psycannon: S7 AP4 Assault 2, Heavy 4, Rending.
•Heavy Psycannon: S7 AP4 Large Blast, Rending.
•Heavy Incinerator: Operates like the Hellhound's Inferno cannon.
•Nemesis Greatsword: S:6 allowing rerolls to hit and wound.
•DK Daemonhammer: S:10 Thunderhammer.
•Psilencer: R:24" S:4 AP- Heavy 6 Gatling Psilencer has the same stats excepts it's Heavy 12. Psilencers always wounds Daemons on a roll of a 4+ unless the score required to wound would normally be less.

**Lord Scythican**

Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.

**deleted20250424**

I agree with what HMBC said on page 15, pretty much completely.

I'm still a little out on the DK though. I think a lot of it is the pilot.

All the unhelmeted heads look like something out of a Monty Python skit set in Medieval Times. I love Monty, but I don't think using the Village Idiot as something to base a mini off of was a good idea. I'm waiting for Tim the Wizard to show up as an IC.

The clips, Oh God why, why do they look like that.

That being said, I will get at least 1 box of each PAGK/TGK to canalbalize for bits. I figure the TH/Staff/Apoth bits will end up costing as much as the boxes on places like The Warstore anyway.

**Pyriel-**

Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?

True, I should have known better. Only thing I am not pleased with rules wise is the ease with which the expensive GKs can be killed in shooting but that is just a matter of taste.
Otherwise I think Ward did a good job, I always wanted more fluff on the GKs, overall its great. Sure some of it is cheesy but then again what´s new.
Show me a codex with no ridiculous fluff or over exaggerated background in it.

**Mukkin'About**

I know y'all are making lame transformers and baby carrier jokes... and this may have been said before..

I think the Dreadknight looks like that battlesuit from Avatar.

**Miraclefish**

Pyriel- wrote:
Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?

True, I should have known better. Only thing I am not pleased with rules wise is the ease with which the expensive GKs can be killed in shooting but that is just a matter of taste.
Otherwise I think Ward did a good job, I always wanted more fluff on the GKs, overall its great. Sure some of it is cheesy but then again what´s new.
Show me a codex with no ridiculous fluff or over exaggerated background in it.

Tau. Daemonhunters. Imperial Guard (except possibly Yarrick). Chaos Daemons....

**Oaka**

I think that by removing the knees and thighs of the Dreadknight, and just attaching the torso to the shins (Cotton Hill-style), the model would look a lot better. It will still be taller than a dreadnought, and the proportions would fit in more with Imperial tech.

**Anung Un Rama**

You know, I like the idea that GW finally made a model with as Aliens-Powerlifter-vibe, but Demon-hunting Super Elite Space Marines really have to be worst possible choice for a model like that. Why not something for Guard or Orks?

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Lord Scythican wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.

I'm SO gonna get one now!

**Alpharius**

Well, GW saved me some money here!

I was tempted to start a GK force, but the models just aren't doing 'it' for me.

However, I will be using the Codex as the basis of an excellent 'Counts As' army - can't wait to read more about the stuff we don't know enough about yet!

**malfred**

That's it. The dude would look perfect for the IG or Orks.

But GKs? The faction where everyone is a psychic and carries a Naginata? And kills daemons?

Even the squatty Dreadnought seems better at this point.

However, I have no clue how to reconcile the archaic nature of the GKs with
"cool tech that's not too cool."

**Platuan4th**

Draigo doesn't really do it for me. Think I'm gonna keep using Rex, but as a stand in for him when I use Draigo.

Also, yay Terminator Apothecary bits! Will definitely find a way into my DW army.

**Balance**

Yeah, the open-front Dreadknight looks good 'Orkified'... A very fitting extension of their whole interest in being the biggest. Making a ridiculously huge robot body fits perfectly. For the Grey Knights, this seems like far too much of an overlap with the common Dreadnought, but worse due to being open-faced.

**Ixquic**

I was hating Matt Ward before it was cool.

Honestly the Dreadknight doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making out and I think it's just an echo chamber effect.

**Lord Scythican**

Anung Un Rama wrote: I'm SO gonna get one now!

Thanks! I can't wait to get one. My local game shop is going to think I am starting Grey Knights. This is going to be Hilarious. Now if I could only find out a way to strap the Looted Dread Knight to one of my stompas "Hangover" style.

**Gymnogyps**

Lord Scythican wrote:
You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.

/snip/ Freakin Awesome Ghazghull Thraka/Ork walker /snip/

YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat. He'll go great with my Stormraven Warkopta!

The PAGK are silly looking to me. Their chicken legs are spread too wide, shoulderpads too big, eyes and head too big. Its like they are caricatures of SM. I wonder if the odd proportions are another manifestation of photography fail? If so, they need to stop with the office admins taking the photos and have someone actually LOOK at the picture to see if it accurately reflects the subject before releasing....

The nice part... they're so generic that a squad can easily be filled out with normal SM painted silver. FW has an Inquisitorial etched brass, right? And who doesn't have a boatload of extra purity seals? There you go, random bling + AoBR marines = PAGK.

**Mit Gas**

The dreadknight definitely has the proportions of Optimus Prime from those horrible Michael Bay movies...

However, one could make a fun themed army with this by using a dreadknight as Soundwave and the normal guys as his tapes.

**Kanluwen**

Pyriel- wrote:
There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

I thought Ward only did the codex/rules/fluff, not design and decide what all models will look like.

And by doing the fluff, he created this abomination.

Thus, when asked "Whose responsible this?"

"Matt Ward's responsible this!"

**NoBaconz4You**

Anung Un Rama wrote:You know, I like the idea that GW finally made a model with as Aliens-Powerlifter-vibe, but Demon-hunting Super Elite Space Marines really have to be worst possible choice for a model like that. Why not something for Guard or Orks?

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Lord Scythican wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.

It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.

You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.

I'm SO gonna get one now!

Wait, how, what eh?

I am confused, someone has already got one, converted AND painted?

Unless they've photoshopped...?

**Therion**

You must be new to the internet. Cancel that. New to the 21st century.

**Redemption**

It's obviously a photoshop...

a very awesome photoshop! But a photoshop nonetheless.

**Kanluwen**

malfred wrote:That's it. The dude would look perfect for the IG or Orks.

But GKs? The faction where everyone is a psychic and carries a Naginata? And kills daemons?

Even the squatty Dreadnought seems better at this point.

However, I have no clue how to reconcile the archaic nature of the GKs with
"cool tech that's not too cool."

It wouldn't even look good for the IG with how large it is.

If anything, it would look even more out of place.

Something like the Steel Tac-Arms from AT-43 or Incursion's APE Suits would fit far better for that.
'Terminator Lite' if you would.

**Che-Vito**

tldr wrote:Is everyone in shock about the Dreadknight? Are we just not getting the right angle like we did the stormraven? What in the world provoked GW to make both so disliked by all?

From what I have seen so far, I think it's time for me to retire from playing Grey Knights.

**Platuan4th**

NoBaconz4You wrote:

Unless they've photoshopped...?

**Grundz**

Kanluwen wrote:
Something like the Steel Tac-Arms from AT-43 or Incursion's APE Suits would fit far better for that.
'Terminator Lite' if you would.

Just stick sent legs on a dread, get some DK weapons as bits, and a larger base
cheaper and you have little to complain about.