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Akron, OH

This thread will be used to compile feedback on Brushfire Second Edition

The Announcement/FAQ:
Spoiler:

On the Lamb Games is at GAMA Trade show right now, giving demos of Brushfire and Endless Fantasy Tactics. They're also apparently announcing new things

ANIMALS GO TO WAR, SECOND EDITION!

ON THE LAMB GAMES ANNOUNCES NEW EDITION OF BRUSHFIRE =HISTORIA RODENTIA=

Palm Coast, FL. March 19, 2013—On The Lamb Games is proud to announce the new Second Edition rules for its BRUSHFIRE tabletop miniatures game.

The public will get their first look at the BRUSHFIRE Second Edition rules in April through a semi-open playtest, allowing players to become familiar with the changes while providing feedback that will help On The Lamb in making final adjustments to BRUSHFIRE Second Edition before going to print. We will be following a process similar to the ENDLESS: FANTASY TACTICS beta.

The BRUSHFIRE Second Edition rulebook will be released to the public in early 2014. All tournaments, leagues, and release events that make up On The Lamb organized play will adopt the new edition on its release.

More information regarding the BRUSHFIRE Second Edition rules will be announced as it becomes available. This and other news items can be found at www.onthelambgames.com.

BRUSHFIRE Second Edition FAQ

What is Changing from First Edition to Second Edition?
Very little of the core mechanics of BRUSHFIRE will change. Squads will still be created on the fly, Activations will be alternating, Heroes will have levels and talents, and Armies will be enlisted using the 3-Resource System.

Some special rules will be simplified or clarified, and the Primary Stats will receive a name overhaul to help new players understand what they mean. These will be Melee Skill, Ranged Skill, Evasion Skill, Vitality, Tactics, and Heroism.

Hero Talents and Boons have received an overhaul for clarity and consistency. Each Hero will now have 1 Passive, 1 Heroic, and 1 Tactical Talent tree.

Tactical and Heroic Actions have also been changed for consistency. Heroic Actions will now always target Allies and require a roll vs the highest enemy Heroism. Tactical Actions will now always target Enemies and require a roll vs the target’s Tactical Skill.

What does this mean to current BRUSHFIRE players?
All currently released models will continue to be usable in 2nd Edition. The base cost in Food for models will not change, nor will their Primary Stats change. 9 Factions will be available to BRUSHFIRE Players with the release of Second Edition.

What are some of the most important changes to Heroes?
Every talent and boon have been rewritten to add clarity/balance. While each Hero continues to have the same role on the battlefield it did previously, a few will have slightly different abilities.

What are some of the most important changes to Troops?
All troop abilities have been reworded to add clarity, and in several cases change how the troop works in relation to its army and equipment. Many troops have had their abilities and equipment reformatted into a more standardized format to make things easier to understand at a glance.

Will many models change in resource cost?
Certain models that have a large amount of Standard Equipment will see Gold and Lumber costs added in addition to their Food cost. Other models and many Accessories and equipment will see a cost drop in Gold/Lumber. Food has remained untouched.

Are any of my models going to be ‘Squatted’ in Second Edition?
No, all BRUSHFIRE models will still be usable in the new edition, some will just work differently.

Am I going to have to buy a bunch more models in order to stay competitive?
No, we actively strove to make sure that the models could remain true to their factions as well as offering players the ability to field the models they want and still remain competitive.

There are models coming out that I was planning on getting. Should I hold off until BRUSHFIRE Second Edition is released?
Not at all. Upcoming models released prior to Second Edition will be great additions to BRUSHFIRE armies. The only thing you'll be missing if you get the model now is the Second Edition stat card, which will be available in upcoming Army Card Decks.

Will my favorite model be stronger or weaker in BRUSHFIRE Second Edition?
That depends largely on what your favorite model is; some models will become stronger, while others will be more accurately balanced.

Will I be able to use my current model cards?
No, with the release of Second Edition all new stat-cards will be packaged with the models. We will release Army Card Decks in addition to our current single card replacement service.

When will BRUSHFIRE officially move to Second Edition?
The current plan is for a printed copy of Second Edition to be released in Q1 2014.

What does BRUSHFIRE Second Edition mean for organized play?
With the release of Second Edition, we’re hoping to also introduce organized play, including Tournaments, Campaigns, Leagues, and Megabattles! In addition, we will also be starting our volunteer program, the Wardens. Wardens will serve a gaming store or area, and they will be responsible for organized play in the area.

Where can I catch my first glimpse of BRUSHFIRE Second Edition?
We will hold a semi-open playtest of BRUSHFIRE Second Edition starting in April 2013. This will be a process similar to ENDLESS: FANTASY TACTICS’ playtest period.

Is BRUSHFIRE Second Edition still in the early stages, then?
No, we’ve been working on improving BRUSHFIRE since its original release in 2010. By going to a full Second Edition rather than just a minor 1.X update, we are able to get all of our players on the same page and introduce a bunch of great new options. We are also planning on greatly improving the quality of the rulebook with better formatting and more colorful art.

Where can I find additional information on BRUSHFIRE Second Edition?
Keep an eye on our Website, Facebook, or DakkaDakka Forums. We aim to release more information as we go forward.


How do I get in on the Brushfire =Historia Rodentia= Second Edition BETA?
Anyone who has purchased a copy of Brushfire =Historia Rodentia= through WargameVault by March 25th was grandfathered into Second Edition. Second Edition is a separate listing on WGV, and is available for $11.99. With the Release of the Second Edition BETA/Playtest PDF the First Edition rulebook has been reduced to $0.99 and is available for archival purposes. Like with Endless: Fantasy Tactics, when the book is finished all BETA/Playtest PDF owners will automatically be updated to the retail version.

How will I get new cards?
Brushfire's faction decks and replacement cards will become available through DriveThruStuff's (Same owner as WGV) Card site, and will be available as a Print On Demand option.

When will The Cult of Exomorphism be available?
Q4 2013, more details at Adepticon.

When submitting typos please include the page number. When submitting balance/gameplay issues please make sure to include a battle report and playtest variables (such as armies used/what happened).

Book Splitting Announcement
Spoiler:

For the upcoming printed release of Brushfire Second Edition we’ve made a number of changes to the layout of the book from first edition. The biggest of these is the change to 8.5x11 page size over 6x9. This change, along with the additional units per faction and expanded fluff greatly increases our costs to print. After much discussion among the team we’ve decided to split the current eight factions into two books, allowing us to keep the entry price for Brushfire’s rules $25.

Brushfire =Historia Rodentia=
Softcover Book 1 - $24.99*

-Rules
-The Empire of Aquitar
-The Civitan Trade Alliance
-The Sultanate of Scyzantium
-The Vandalands


Brushfire =Journey to the East=
Softcover Book 2 - $24.99*

-Rules
-The Axon Protectorate
-The Lizi Dynasty of Chugoku
-The Ribenguan Shogunate
-The Great Kingdom of Zabar


Current owners of the second Edition PDF will be grandfathered in and have access to both PDFs. A third book will become available for playtest purchase in a few months, but will not be retroactively added to the current purchases.

We know a number of players prefer the ‘One Book to Rule them All’ format, Late next year we will release a POD Hardcover Tome edition of Brushfire

Brushfire - Complete Second Edition
Hardcover POD Book Tome - $99.99*

-Rules
-The Coalition of Alexandreta
-The Empire of Aquitar
-The Axon Protectorate
-The Lizi Dynasty of Chugoku
-The Civitan Trade Alliance
-The Cult of Exomorphism
-The Federated States of Vespuccia
-The Ribenguan Shogunate
-The Sultanate of Scyzantium
-The Vandalands
-The Vandalands-Ordenstaat
-The Volk-Ursal Republics
-The Great Kingdom of Zabar

*Subject to Change.

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-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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New Jersey, USA

Awsome news, I'm definatly looking forward to the updates!


 
   
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Montreal, QC, Canada

Just to be sure: to be part of the beta, we need to have bought the pdf format of the book, right? Any buyer of the paper version needs to buy the pdf version also?

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Akron, OH

 Tonio wrote:
Just be sure: to be part of the beta, we need to have bought the pdf format of the book, right? Any buyer of the paper version needs to buy the pdf version also?


Yes, as I don't have an easy way of handing the PDF to everyone who bought the printed edition.

If the EFT Fanbase asks really nicely, we'll include them as well.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Do I have that? I definitely have the PDF but I can't recall buying it. It might have been an early kickstarter perk?

   
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Akron, OH

 Casey's Law wrote:
Do I have that? I definitely have the PDF but I can't recall buying it. It might have been an early kickstarter perk?


If you have the Rulebook PDF, you got it through WargameVault. We've only done the Rulebook PDFs through them as it allows us to easily update the PDFs and notify everyone.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Old Sourpuss






Lakewood, Ohio

But the question I have is, do I have to buy the 2nd edition Rulebook pdf, or if I have the 1st Edition Rulebook, that will be updated with the 2nd edition rules and I don't need to buy that pdf?

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Akron, OH

Alfndrate wrote:But the question I have is, do I have to buy the 2nd edition Rulebook pdf, or if I have the 1st Edition Rulebook, that will be updated with the 2nd edition rules and I don't need to buy that pdf?


Cyporiean wrote:
How do I get in on the Brushfire =Historia Rodentia= Second Edition BETA?
Anyone who has purchased a copy of Brushfire =Historia Rodentia= through WargameVault by March 25th will be grandfathered into Second Edition. Second Edition will be a separate listing on WGV, and will be available for $11.99 later this week. Once its available Brushfire 1.2 will be lowered to $0.99 and remain for sale for archival purposes.


If you have a copy of the Rulebook PDF via WargameVault, you'll get the 2nd Edition Rulebook PDF.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Lakewood, Ohio

That'll learn me to read!

Thanks Cy, I've been elbow deep in SQL code this morning, real people words are hard to understand atm.

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Akron, OH

 Alfndrate wrote:
That'll learn me to read!

Thanks Cy, I've been elbow deep in SQL code this morning, real people words are hard to understand atm.


That's a poor excuse, you should have remembered from me telling you in one of our meetings a few weeks ago

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-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Lakewood, Ohio

 Cyporiean wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
That'll learn me to read!

Thanks Cy, I've been elbow deep in SQL code this morning, real people words are hard to understand atm.


That's a poor excuse, you should have remembered from me telling you in one of our meetings a few weeks ago


I call bs on that Our meetings revolve around various games or shows I should be experiencing, and Misk asking if my computer even lifts.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
If you've got the PDF copy, you should be seeing an email from OTL about 2nd Ed pdf. I just got mine.

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Got the email! I'll check it out soon.

I guess that when it gets updates those of us who have downloaded 2nd will get another email to prompt us to download the update?

What exactly can I do to help? I'm guessing that I should paint up my Warbands and get some friends round to Beta test 2nd, yeh? Any particular type of feedback required?

   
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Akron, OH

 Casey's Law wrote:
Got the email! I'll check it out soon.

I guess that when it gets updates those of us who have downloaded 2nd will get another email to prompt us to download the update?

What exactly can I do to help? I'm guessing that I should paint up my Warbands and get some friends round to Beta test 2nd, yeh? Any particular type of feedback required?


Aye, whenever we push an update everyone will get a notification about it.

As for helping, read through the rules let us know if something isn't clear, point out typos, 'this unit sucks', etc

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 Cyporiean wrote:
All feedback is appreciated.


Fixed that

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New Jersey, USA

Drats I seem to have missed to cut off date.

Seems I get off pretty easily this time.


 
   
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Pegasus Games

You sneaky gits! I'm a sucker for free rules. Since I heard the news I browsed through the Brushfire store to check out all the games models. This might be enough to catch me up in another game.

I enjoy that both of your games are a bit more lighthearted than most wargames. Some of the models from both the Brushfire and Endless lines remind me of Muppets which makes me smile.
   
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Pegasus Games

Ok, I had a chance to sit with the pdf for an hour or two last night. It looks like fun.

First the easy stuff. Awkward sentences:

Pg 238 - Hyena Witch doctor bloodlust - "Target Squad may make +1 Attack this on their next Activation"

Pg 232 - Pride Lioness -Ghost in the darkness rank1 - "Target squad may activate immediately to make a Ranged Attacks"

Pg 121 - Lem Han description 2nd paragragh - "The Myo lemmings have called for an Undivided Chugoku, an coalition to fight the... (also capitalization on Undivide?)

Pg 136 - Juan Chamomile Lightning Strike - "When using this ability with Juan's Squad uses MS instead of RS"
   
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It seems I haven't got my 2nd edition beta rulebook altough I have the "Brushfire - Historia Rodentia" on my Wargame Vault account. I purchased it more than a year ago during a sale.

I'm not sure I bought it on Wargame Vault, it might be RPGNow or something.However I have the account and the purchased rulebook on WV.

Can someone help me with this?
   
Made in us
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Pegasus Games

The first thing I do when I read any wargame is build an army to see what kind of toys I get to push around on the table. I found the force building rules to be disorganized and unclear in spots.

Here are a few specific isses I observed:

A number of units, such as Lem Han, are designated as Heavy Cavalry without a primary unit type. I was unclear of what my Squad Cap was in such cases.

I noticed a couple mentions of the "same equipment" rule, such as under the Horde unit type and the accessories rules, but could not find where the rule was specificly stated. I may have missed it, but did not see it in either the Army Enlistment or Equipment sections where I would expect such a rule.

Nowhere in the army enlistment section does it mention that seige weapons/fortifications are an option for your Food, Lumber, and Gold expenditures when creating a force.
   
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The Same equipment rule is from the squad phase detailing how to activate models.

Models that don't indicate a primary unit type default to "infantry" with a 10 model squad limit. Ill make sure this gets noted in a future push.

It should be mentioned in the siege section about enlisting those items, but ill see about making a note in the earlier section.


Lockark wrote:If you stat it, they will kill it.
 
   
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Roo, PM me your E-mail address and I'll see what I can do.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Fixture of Dakka







I tried to download it with a bad mobile connection and it failed. Surprise, surprise. I'll download it with a better connection tomorrow though.

I have some reasonable qualifications in graphic and literary communication. Paired with my unemployment, I'm considering printing this off and just going through it page by page with a red pen.

Not that I'm saying it's particularly bad, and I obviously haven't seen 2nd yet. I think I have the time though if it would be beneficial? At the very least I could cut it up and rebuild it the way I find it most comfortable to follow and learn. Whether that would work for everyone else is a different matter.

I'll let you guys tell me if you would find that useful before I make a start.


I have a point to raise though which has been on my mind. I think it might deserve it's own thread for discussion but I'll refrain from posting it until tomorrow when I have seen 2nd.
Basically I'm worried that Exemplars are mandatory for competitive play. Looking at 1st I can't see anything that compares well for spending wood and gold on. It appears to me(remember I haven't played or read 2nd yet) that taking as many Exemplars as you can is a deadly boost to your force that outweighs what you could get in equipment or siege equipment. Mercanaries add to and increase that issue.

I am resigned to the fact that I am almost definitely wrong about that.

   
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Akron, OH

I'll wait to see your full thread on the subject Casey, but I think it will vary by army. I could see Axony or Ribenguo armies being Exemplar heavy.. while Vandalands players might forget that Gotz, Arctos, and Luca exist depending on their playstyle.

-Emily Whitehouse| On The Lamb Games
 
   
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Fair play. I'll do some more research and see what I can dig up. Happy to be proved wrong though, it's all very much conjecture.

Would you like me to tackle the rulebook or is it not necessary? I'm happy to help with stuff if it's useful to you. Even if it just saves you a chunk of time.

   
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Lakewood, Ohio

On the idea of exemplars being mandatory for competitive play, I think you should probably post your ideas down in the "thoughts on competitive play" thread

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Haha, oh yeh, I forgot about that thread. Actually I think I'll just pose the question there now and see what everyone else thinks.

   
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Shaka War Hogs list Sling as an upgrade option but I can't find sling anywhere in the basic or Zabaran equipment sections
   
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Akron, OH

Galen wrote:
Shaka War Hogs list Sling as an upgrade option but I can't find sling anywhere in the basic or Zabaran equipment sections


Ah, that was a pre-beta change that got dropped, just ignore it.

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I really like the new rulebook. I can't wait to bring my Warlord to the field!


Then let's write some criticism about the 2nd rulebook.
(I only speed-read the basic rules)

-I have no idea how big a 4' x 4' table is. It's a cultural thing. Can you add it in centimeters also?
-"Rushed" is mentioned in the Terms part, but "Rush" isn't, just way later. It's weird although I can see why.
-Garrison: Going in and out from a garrison is unclear. Sound's like going in a garrison ends the models turn who goes in while leaving the garrison doesn't. Going in occurs at the end of the movement phase, but what about units that can switch their movement/attack phases or can interrupt their movement phases with their attacks, or have a heroic/tactical action? A model like this can pop out, do it's thing then go back in?
-the term "Causing Fearsome" sound's weird to me. Also "Immune to Fear" and "Immune to Fearsome" both appears.
-It is not explained when exactly a model is "obscured"?
-Deviation: The text about the deviation on page 27 does not say what do you have to target and it's generally unclear.
-Crossbow: It's not clear if the free counterattack is part of the Heavy Bolt ability or not. I think it's not, but I'm actually not sure.
-Horns: If this isn't changed, Horn effects stack with other horn effects, but not with the same horn effect. Although my English skills might be wrong here.
-The Siege weapon section sometimes list a base in inches other times in centimeters.
-The wall and the tower might have an expected height given. Also how wide is a castle gate?

Vandalands:

-Valkyr MK.I and Valkyr Mk.II has too similar names. Can you guys give some nickname to at least one of them, like "Valkyr Mk.2 - Hellfire" so we can call it Hellfire Valkyr? (okay that's lame but maybe something german will do it)
-Also, the Mk.II has no pilot?

Hamster Berserkers - Northern Berserker - If the Squad kills at least one enemy unit then the squad may attack again, right? It can be argued that only Hamster berserkers that are scored a kill whitin the Hamster Berserker squad may attack a second time(so one extra attack per kill).

That's all for now
   
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Lakewood, Ohio

 WhiteRoo wrote:
I really like the new rulebook. I can't wait to bring my Warlord to the field!


Then let's write some criticism about the 2nd rulebook.
(I only speed-read the basic rules)

-I have no idea how big a 4' x 4' table is. It's a cultural thing. Can you add it in centimeters also?


Much like you not knowing how large a 4ft by 4ft table is, I have no idea how many centimeters that is, so I used google . 4ft is 121.95 centimeters. Or 1m 22cm

Vandalands:

-Valkyr MK.I and Valkyr Mk.II has too similar names. Can you guys give some nickname to at least one of them, like "Valkyr Mk.2 - Hellfire" so we can call it Hellfire Valkyr? (okay that's lame but maybe something german will do it)
-Also, the Mk.II has no pilot?


A Mk2 Valk is an exemplar, So it'll be a different model than a Mk1 I believe, but Cyp and Misk can confirm/deny better than I can. Also the lack of a pilot refers to the Mission Complete ability where the entire mech blows up... To quote Star Trek, "He's dead Jim."

Hamster Berserkers - Northern Berserker - If the Squad kills at least one enemy unit then the squad may attack again, right? It can be argued that only Hamster berserkers that are scored a kill whitin the Hamster Berserker squad may attack a second time(so one extra attack per kill).


It doesn't say squad, but you're right it is somewhat unclear. It should read something along the lines of, "A Hamster Beserker may make a second Melee Phase if it kills a model in B2B. Northern Berserkers may not trigger more than once per activation."

Edit: I only answered the questions I was fairly certain on.

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