Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**Ruan**

From BoLS forum...

Krittoris wrote:Entropic strike: any model that suffers one or more unsaved wounds from a weapon or model with this special rule means it loses its armour save for the duration of the game (effectively altering the models armour save to '-')

In addition to this effect for each hit a vehicle suffers from a weapon or model with this rule, roll a d6, for each result of 4+ it immidiately loses 1 point of armour value from all facing. Once the armour is reduced to 0 on even 1 facing or side the vehicle is immediately wrecked.

and Overlord loadout options...

Krittoris wrote:free, hyperphase sword - power weapon.
10 points voidblade - cc weapon with rending and entropic strike.
5 points, gauntlet of fire - cc weapon w/ reroll to hit and wound, also shoots (template, s4, ap5)
10 points, warscythe - 2handed power weapon, +2 strength, 2d6 armour pen.

15 points, phylactery - on the first reanimation protocol roll the model has to take, returns with d3 wounds if he passes.
15 points, sempiternal weave - 2+ armour save.
20 points, tesseract labrynth - one use only, choose a character or monstorus creature in base contact, that player must roll a d6 and have a roll under the model's remaining wounds or it is removed as a casualty with no saves of any kind allowed.
15 points, phase shifter - 3+ invulnerable save.
30 points, tacyon arrow - one use, (unlimited, s10, ap1, assault 1)
15 points, mindshackle scarabs - opponents model in combat takes a 3d6 leadership test, if he fails he strikes his own unit with d3 attacks when its his turn in combat, gaining all bonuses he would normally have.
30 points, resurrection orb - the unit the overlord is with get there 'reanimation protocol' rolls on a 4+ instead of 5+.

**GiantSlingshot**

Ruan wrote:From BoLS forum...

Krittoris wrote:Entropic strike: any model that suffers one or more unsaved wounds from a weapon or model with this special rule means it loses its armour save for the duration of the game (effectively altering the models armour save to '-')

In addition to this effect for each hit a vehicle suffers from a weapon or model with this rule, roll a d6, for each result of 4+ it immidiately loses 1 point of armour value from all facing. Once the armour is reduced to 0 on even 1 facing or side the vehicle is immediately wrecked.

Welp, there you have it. You must roll a d6 after the hit, and then it immediately loses the armor.

Sweetness.

**neiltj1**

tetrisphreak wrote:Still no info from codex-owners about entropic strike?

Does the -1 to the AV happen before, or after penetration rolls occur?

"...For each hit a vehicle suffers from a weapon or models with this rule, roll a d6. For each result of 4+, it immediately loses 1 point of armor value from all facings"

**tetrisphreak**

Amazing. Scarabs were good vs vehicles in my mind before, now taking them is a no-brainer.

Send them up turn 1 under the cover of night-fight. turn 2 let the waves crash against the metal boxes and put the enemy's boots on the ground. Fan-tastic!

**Ruler of Chaos**

does that mean they roll to hit. then check to see how many of those hits causes the Armour to go down. Then they use there strength on the new lowered armour?

**JoeyHeadwounds**

I'm not sure why, but I think this looks almost like some kind of robotic Tyranid.... Will be waiting for pics of the actual model as I think it might have some conversion potential.

**asimo77**

Wow, just after I posted that every unit we've seen eventually gets marred by small rules clauses, and other caveats, the Scarabs get a boost.

The universe works in mysterious ways I guess.

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Adam LongWalker wrote:@asimo77

Slightly less? Naaa, nobody really loses in a beer and pretzels game.

After several six packs and some buffalo wings, all of those little models looks the same and the winners are those that do not fall flat on their faces while playing.

Man your games sound way more fun than mine! I should head over to your place next time

**GiantSlingshot**

Looking at a cell phone camera shot of the page with the special rules, it's even more cut and dry than the summary the BoLS poster gave.

Also new info compared to the front page, the Scarabs are A4, in case anyone missed it.

5 attacks on the charge. No longer miff'd about RP.

**Zachilles**

@Joey

I've already coined the term Robo-Raveners for the new wraiths

**Ruan**

Ruler of Chaos wrote:does that mean they roll to hit. then check to see how many of those hits causes the Armour to go down. Then they use there strength on the new lowered armour?

That's how it seems to be worded. I'll definitely be getting my own copy of the codex tomorrow, so I'll be able to confirm then.

Heck. If I'm reading this right, you don't need to worry about strength on the lowered armor - you might end up scrapping it purely from eating it to a wreck.

**tetrisphreak**

Ruler of Chaos wrote:does that mean they roll to hit. then check to see how many of those hits causes the Armour to go down. Then they use there strength on the new lowered armour?

That is how it reads to me (and others who have actually *seen* the book). I'm hoping to pick mine up tomorrow when it ships to my FLGS.

Anybody else think they made scarabs full of awesome because you need to buy a box of 12 warriors for every 3 (or 4) swarms of them?

**Ruler of Chaos**

Also why would a overlord want
10 points voidblade - cc weapon with rending and entropic strike.

over

10 points, warscythe - 2handed power weapon, +2 strength, 2d6 armour pen.

am I missing something?

**asimo77**

Well judging from the Praetorians the Voidblade is one handed, so if you can get a pistol (Particle Caster?) on the Overlord that's an extra attack.

But honestly Warscythes seem like the best choice.

**GiantSlingshot**

It's really made no clearer by reading the book, neiltj1 quoted any mention of vehicles word for word from the book.

Related... It goes out of it's way to mention that Armor save reduction lasts 'til the end of the game... but it doesn't say that about the reduced AV values.

Man. 1 day before launch, and I already need an FAQ.

Edit: In relation to entropic strike*

**Arandmoor**

Ruan wrote:
15 points, mindshackle scarabs - opponents model in combat takes a 3d6 leadership test, if he fails he strikes his own unit with d3 attacks when its his turn in combat, gaining all bonuses he would normally have.
30 points, resurrection orb - the unit the overlord is with get there 'reanimation protocol' rolls on a 4+ instead of 5+.

Question: Can mindshackle scarabs be used every turn of close combat? Or is it a one-use item or something? 'cause that's going to be tons of fun in CCs vs. a hidden power fist.

Also, are you saying they DROPPED the price of the rez orb by 10 points? I don't even care that it doesn't have a range or anything considering the minor lords are basically sergeants now (and I tend to field large units for WBB abuse anyway).

Also, a question for anyone with a codex...

What's the exact wording for the wraith upgrade that reduces an opponent's initiative? I want to know if they would be a good match for a unit of lychgard with warscythes...

**The Grundel**

Anyone else relieved that there ISN'T a crazy nuts uber unit? I mean seriously, I'd much rather have an army that synergized then one or 2 units that carried that rest of the army.

Any idea when Wave 2 is going to drop?

**GiantSlingshot**

Another question... Say you have a unit reserved to deepstrike in with their nightscythe. Nightscythe mishaps, rolls a 1, gets destroyed. Unit inside also fried?

**Ruan**

If I remember the rules spoiled here right (don't have a codex yet), when the Nightscythe is destroyed, the troops it is 'carrying' get sent to Reserves, and have to come in as a Reserve (can't Deep Strike in, even if unit would normally be able to).

**hollowmirror**

The Grundel wrote:Anyone else relieved that there ISN'T a crazy nuts uber unit? I mean seriously, I'd much rather have an army that synergized then one or 2 units that carried that rest of the army.

Any idea when Wave 2 is going to drop?

actually If you wanted a uber unit I could see Nemesor Zahndrekh, his body guard, a full 5 man unit of warscythe wielding 2+/3++ lords all attached to a unit of lychgaurd with the 4+ shields and power swords.

based on a general idea of what things are costing point wise the whole unit would be a 12 man unit that ringed in at around 1100 - 1200 points (lychgaurd at 45*5, lords I put around 95 points a piece and I rounded both lords combined at around 350 for the pair.

but for all of that the unit is entirely base str5, toughness 5, half have 2+/3+ with +2 strength power weapons and the other half have 3+/4+ with a power weapon and the ability to reflect successful invul saves.

you also get the ghost mantle veil and the ability to choose a special rule each turn (probably furious charge)

actually if you wanted to go all out you could add a res orb and some labrynths to the lords and to give the whole unit 4+ return rolls. And finally more then half the models in the unit have the everliving rule.

**Ruan**

hollowmirror wrote:
The Grundel wrote:Anyone else relieved that there ISN'T a crazy nuts uber unit? I mean seriously, I'd much rather have an army that synergized then one or 2 units that carried that rest of the army.

Any idea when Wave 2 is going to drop?

actually If you wanted a uber unit I could see Nemesor Zahndrekh, his body guard, a full 5 man unit of warscythe wielding 2+/3++ lords all attached to a unit of lychgaurd with the 4+ shields and power swords.

based on a general idea of what things are costing point wise the whole unit would be a 12 man unit that ringed in at around 1000 points (lychgaurd at 45*5, lords I put around 85 points a piece and I rounded both lords combined at around 350 for the pair.

but for all of that the unit is entirely base str5, toughness 5, half have 2+/3+ with +2 strength power weapons and the other half have 3+/4+ with a power weapon and the ability to reflect successful invul saves.

you also get the ghost mantle veil and the ability to choose a special rule each turn (probably furious charge)

Heh, I was thinking of that myself. For that matter, take just one of those necron lords with a Rez Orb so even if they do manage to kill one of them, they get a RP 4+.

**hollowmirror**

Oh yeah. add some monoliths and you can start zipping around the field left and right.

oh or you could go all out and add one more Overlord with a cryptek following the storm taking the wargear lightning field that gives (Enemy units assaulting the Cryptek's unit immediately suffer D6, S8, AP5 hits) and add as many more lords all with scythes or add interesting buffs with crypteks maybe some eldritch lances and some tremorstaves.

**Sectiplave**

hollowmirror wrote:Oh yeah. add some monoliths and you can start zipping around the field left and right.

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And a unit of coil Wraiths so you strike first

That'd be about as elite as you could make an army I'd say.

I'd love to run that in a few fun games just to see how it turns out

**hollowmirror**

wow the more I think about it the better that unit could get you could take a cryptek that gives defensive grenades (gaze of flame) that way no unit gets bonus attacks for assaulting you. and you could take the unit in a nightscythe since it allows even jump infantry and jetbikes It should be able to fit at least the 12 I said at first if not a full 15 model max.

**Cryage**

come saturday, anybody else going to miss the awesome necron community this thread has spawned ? :(

Think we'll need to have an official "2011 Necron strategy" thread in the 40k general section

**shadzinator**

come saturday, anybody else going to miss the awesome necron community this thread has spawned ? :(

Think we'll need to have an official "2011 Necron strategy" thread in the 40k general section

we have to make it 200 pages first. I think 1 strategy thread would be inefficient. You'd need to have one for each build probably, like destroyer wing, scarab swam ect.

**Lord_Mortis**

Arandmoor wrote:Also, a question for anyone with a codex...

What's the exact wording for the wraith upgrade that reduces an opponent's initiative? I want to know if they would be a good match for a unit of lychgard with warscythes...

Minus the fluff part, the rule is: "Whilst any enemy model is in base contact with a model with whip coils they count their initiative value as 1, regardless of their actual initiative value."

Picked my Codex up today!

**Nightbringer's Chosen**

Lord_Mortis wrote:Minus the fluff part, the rule is: "Whilst any enemy model is in base contact with a model with whip coils they count their initiative value as 1, regardless of their actual initiative value."

:O
Hooray for wording allowing abuse of C'Tan manifestation abilities!

**Sigmatron**

What's the base cost of an Overlord and Tomb Spyder?

**King Pariah**

Overlord 90

Tomb Spyder 50

**Sectiplave**

Lord_Mortis wrote:Minus the fluff part, the rule is: "Whilst any enemy model is in base contact with a model with whip coils they count their initiative value as 1, regardless of their actual initiative value."

Cool, that sounds like it should over ride any initiative boosting wargear or skills also