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Hi guys and gals. I just got my first batch of scibor miniatures that I ordered today, and I was worried at first because of prior experiences with the GW stuff. I have seen 1 other scibor model in person and it was already painted so I did not get to inspect the quality.

This is what scibor, a smaller company, can do with resin,

*no mold lines
*no weak casting spots or thin spots
*its a solid hard resin
*no a single bubble
*you get a nice base with the model in the same quality

I am extremely happy with scibor, it puts GWs casting, resin, and over all quality of product to shame. This product is superior in every way I can think of. I would recommend this company and will recommend them to anyone looking for a quality alternative to GW product.

Yeah, I have three of their minis and was very impressed with all of them.

Maybe you could take some pictures and email them to GW as an example of what they should strive for.

JWhex wrote:
Maybe you could take some pictures and email them to GW as an example of what they should strive for.

And remember to add;

This is great news.

 blood reaper wrote:

JWhex wrote:
Maybe you could take some pictures and email them to GW as an example of what they should strive for.

And remember to add;

This is great news.

funniest thing I have ever read on dakka. Thank you for that!

Kal-El wrote:
This is what scibor, a smaller company, can do with resin

It's not that GW can't do it, they just don't (for whatever reason).

If you job paid you about the same regardless of whether you came in and worked super hard, or if you came in late every day and half assed it; how dedicated would you be to excellence?

Difficulty: Keep in mind that when you came in late and half-assed it, and someone came over and said "hey man, you better come in on time or you're gonna get fired", a whole crowd started screaming at the person who came over to get the hell off your case and stop being a mindless hater, and that you're doing an amazing job?

I just bought a couple of Traitor Guard Psyker's from FW, ya know, these ones..



And the quality was pretty good to be honest. There was very little in the way of flash and all they really needed was a quick bath in lukewarm water and a brush to remove the yukky Moulding Agent.

Iv'e had zero exp with Resin before this purchase, I've even avoided failcast(tm) up to this point, because of the many stories that I'd read on Dakka and a few other forums. But I was presently surprised with the FW stuff that I bought.

But the Scibor minis are very lovely though.....

I've got those two as well. Not a single problem with them. But FW is different to GW when it comes to resin. I know that sounds weird - they are the same company after all - but there's a marked difference between a FineCost model and a standard FW resin.

Pretty much every resin figure I've perchased over the last 20yrs has been better quality than fine cast.

Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Forge World resin =/= Finecast.


Though Forge World resin isn't anything to write home about either. As far as the resin miniature market goes, even Forge World isn't stellar.

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Maybe finecrap works better for you. I was at Nagoyahammer this weekend and a Japanese retailer had some finecast figures with him.
a nice chaplain with a crozius staff bend backwards

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Please!

Either play properly or don't play at all, your faux ignorance doesn't help you or the rest of us.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
but there's a marked difference between a FineCost model and a standard FW resin.

Unless you get one of the FW "we swear it's not really finecast" models, in which case it's almost as bad as "real" finecast. Every single one of those I've bought has been complete garbage.

I've bought a few models from Scibor recently as well and I have to agree they are pretty good, but I did have a few very tiny air bubbles which were very easy to fix with a spot of putty.

Privateer Press' resins on the other hand, ugh. I bought a Woldwrath that was horrific to put together.

There were some holes in the shoulder parts and the body, (they were hollow cast) very heavy mold lines on the body (it looked like the mold came apart they were so thick) and the legs also had pretty bad mold lines and some tears. The hand with fingers also had horrible tearing on the inside area of the fingers.

I had hear they were having issues with their resin casting but this was beyond what I expected. The Trollkin battle engine wasn't much better.

I'd return them but I'm afraid of what i might get, and I feel I shouldn't have to return them. They need to have better QC.

 prplehippo wrote:
I've bought a few models from Scibor recently as well and I have to agree they are pretty good, but I did have a few very tiny air bubbles which were very easy to fix with a spot of putty.

Privateer Press' resins on the other hand, ugh. I bought a Woldwrath that was horrific to put together.

There were some holes in the shoulder parts and the body, (they were hollow cast) very heavy mold lines on the body (it looked like the mold came apart they were so thick) and the legs also had pretty bad mold lines and some tears. The hand with fingers also had horrible tearing on the inside area of the fingers.

I had hear they were having issues with their resin casting but this was beyond what I expected. The Trollkin battle engine wasn't much better.

I'd return them but I'm afraid of what i might get, and I feel I shouldn't have to return them. They need to have better QC.

Know what? Whatever you buy, from cars, through to electronics, even food, will have production issues from time to time. You may have heard we've had issues with horsemeat instead of beef in some of our food here recently!

The fact is, if you have a problem you owe it to anybody else who might buy the same thing to inform the company, so they can be aware of the problem and fix it. Even if you think they're aware, perhaps they also think they've resolved it?

If you've built the model already, don't necessarily return it, perhaps send an email detailing the issues, maybe with supporting pics? Perhaps you'll get some sort of compensation, rather than a replacement.

To receive substandard product and do nothing about it seems baffling to me...

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Maybe finecrap works better for you. I was at Nagoyahammer this weekend and a Japanese retailer had some finecast figures with him.
a nice chaplain with a crozius staff bend backwards

That's not a casting issue or a QC issue. Resin comes bent from tons of companies and it simply happens from packaging. No different than bent metal. It takes about 35 seconds to fix.


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 azreal13 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Please!

Either play properly or don't play at all, your faux ignorance doesn't help you or the rest of us.

And calling it fine-insert-pettish-Internet-clever-moniker-here is ignorant.

 cincydooley wrote:
And calling it fine-insert-pettish-Internet-clever-moniker-here is ignorant.

No, it's accurate.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Maybe finecrap works better for you. I was at Nagoyahammer this weekend and a Japanese retailer had some finecast figures with him.
a nice chaplain with a crozius staff bend backwards

That's not a casting issue or a QC issue. Resin comes bent from tons of companies and it simply happens from packaging. No different than bent metal. It takes about 35 seconds to fix.

Except this is Finecast, so there's a good chance that crozius will revert back to the bent shape.

PuppetsWar has great quality casts. I've never had a bubble in any of them. A maybe minuscule amount of flash, but maybe 2 grazes with a knife took care of that. The models themselves need a little bit of work but I digress.

SecretWeapons also had amazing quality for casts.

Never seen Scibor models or heard about their quality. Good to hear they are another company that put's GW to shame.

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cincydooley wrote:And calling it fine-insert-pettish-Internet-clever-moniker-here is ignorant.

Peregrine wrote:No, it's accurate.

It is incredibly accurate. I've been able to avoid failcast for the most part because I play Necrons. My Dark Angel friend has had to send back his Beliel 6 times.

 azreal13 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Just got a Finecast tau ethereal today. Looks great. No bubbles. Little flash.

Good for you. I have a FineCost Warp Smith, and he's perfect.

Doesn't negate the extensive and well-documented flaws with FineCost.

I'm sorry. What's finecost? Is that some Internet clever name for something else?

Please!

Either play properly or don't play at all, your faux ignorance doesn't help you or the rest of us.

And calling it fine-insert-pettish-Internet-clever-moniker-here is ignorant.

Then rise above it, don't try and pick fights because you're frustrated you can't defend GW because in this case they seem to be objectively below par and you can't come up with a 'minimum wage' type argument to try and counter it.

 azreal13 wrote:


Then rise above it, don't try and pick fights because you're frustrated you can't defend GW because in this case they seem to be objectively below par and you can't come up with a 'minimum wage' type argument to try and counter it.

Scibor stuff is just fine. I like most of his dwarves but do not like his not-marines. Many of his models are easier (comparatively) to cast because they're single mould casts. You can tell which these are based on the very flat bottoms.

There are plenty of resin casters that have better QC than GW does with Finecast. Many of those casters are doing a significantly lower volume which makes the QC easier. With that being said, some of the Internet-popular photos (the marine librarian in particularl) are inexcusable.

However, there are plenty of cases of people that are perfectly happy with Finecast. They're just not bitching at first chance online. There are plenty of people looking to identify something as a huge problem that, quite frankly, isn't. Bent weapons. Small bubbles on flat surfaces. These things happen with plenty of resins and make up a large portion of the complaints.

I've had a ton of great experiences with Finecast. The large majority in fact. Of about 40-50ish Finecast models, I've had issues with 2. A short pour and some major, detail obscuring pitting. Both were fixed expeditiously. And my experience isn't the only one. Plenty of people are happy with Finecast over metal. But for whatever reason, those of us that are content are treated with derision scoffed at like we're fools for not sharing in the complaint chorus. Saying dumbass gak like Finecrap, Failcost, etc is childish and only exasperates that fact.

It's because nobody posts with
"I bought x today, it was fine."

Just like hardly anybody posted about problems with metal, because there were hardly any.

I agree that, in principal, fine cast, or any resin for that matter, is much nicer material to work with in nearly every context, but nearly every single purchase I have made (of which there have only been a handful for a number of reasons) have either needed replacing or have required repair or correction that they should not have (bubbles in thin pieces causing weakness and breaking off, meaning pins and reglueing or similar)

 azreal13 wrote:
It's because nobody posts with
"I bought x today, it was fine."

Just like hardly anybody posted about problems with metal, because there were hardly any.

I agree that, in principal, fine cast, or any resin for that matter, is much nicer material to work with in nearly every context, but nearly every single purchase I have made (of which there have only been a handful for a number of reasons) have either needed replacing or have required repair or correction that they should not have (bubbles in thin pieces causing weakness and breaking off, meaning pins and reglueing or similar)

And I guess I don't mind small bubble repair, as I much prefer it to having to pin metal. I've never pinned a Finecast model.

 cincydooley wrote:
However, there are plenty of cases of people that are perfectly happy with Finecast.

And how many of them care about their models? I'm sure there are a lot of people who have unpainted armies with half the models broken from careless storage and don't care if the detail on their finecast model is ruined as long as it still wins the game for them. But there's a very good reason we just had a nice long thread about commission painters refusing to work with finecast anymore.

I don't mind bubble repair.

I mind pieces that have fallen off the sprue and never made it into the blister, I mind weapons breaking off at the fist because of internal bubbles weakening the structure, I mind components being so densely covered with flash that they're unusable, I mind models being so badly cast that they're simply beyond redemption and, worst of all, I hate small bubbles on small details that somehow manage to change something with such subtlety you don't notice until you're taking a brush to it.

All genuine experiences from perhaps half a dozen purchases.

 Peregrine wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
However, there are plenty of cases of people that are perfectly happy with Finecast.

And how many of them care about their models? I'm sure there are a lot of people who have unpainted armies with half the models broken from careless storage and don't care if the detail on their finecast model is ruined as long as it still wins the game for them. But there's a very good reason we just had a nice long thread about commission painters refusing to work with finecast anymore.

Well, the folks buying Finecast in my group care as the majority are hobbyists first and gamers second. Those are the kind of blanket statements that are insulting. You basically insinuate that if you're okay with Finecast you must not care about your models.

@azrael - I mind those things too. I haven't experienced them with the Finecast I have. I have had missing parts with metal models and privateer plastics, however. I have had holes appear after cutting the venting sprue away, but I've also had that problem with Dropzone commander models and Zenit resins as well. I don't know if there's anything they can do to help mitigate that, though.