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Ehsteve wrote:T3 and nearly 60pts? Sorry when a unit can be plinked to death by arrow reliably

Plinked to death by arrows? They may be only T3, but they've got a 1+ (even with halberds against shooting). Plus, they're cavalry, so they can charge a long ways.

Ehsteve wrote:or can get a flaggelant horde due to uncapping

Flaggelant's are terrible now. And more expensive.

Ehsteve wrote:For the demigryph's points cost you won't be able to get enough models to negate steadfast ever (a unit of 6 will cost around 350pts unupgraded in any way).

1) Like most cavalry, they're not going to negate steadfast...ever. Their purpose is to do wounds.
2) No one will ever run multiple ranks because most of your attacks come from the mount.

ph34r wrote:Fair enough. What is your opinion on the reroll to wound and 5++ warrior priest powers, along with the parent units giving detachments steadfast? If I am not mistaken (I might be!) these are new and strong abilities for standard infantry?

I like them, but they're going to be fickle. Your opponent can dispel a lot of the bound spells. However, with the change from "cast 1 prayer per turn" to "the WP has 3 bound spells," I think you stand a good chance of depleting your opponent's dispel pool, allowing you to get a few prayers off.

I want to get one just to paint it up like a chocobo.

Maybe I should buy a set and do a chocobo race diorama?

What do people think?

Yes. Make the riders scantily clad anime cheesecakes.
It shall be hilarious xD

biccat wrote:Plinked to death by arrows? They may be only T3, but they've got a 1+ (even with halberds against shooting). Plus, they're cavalry, so they can charge a long ways.

T3 opens them up to a majority of weapon handguns and crossbows wound on 3+ which means a majority of hits are now wounding, meaning more saves and a 1+ can still be failed (3+ with handguns), with their average leadership. Regular archers are wounding on 4+, and why not? The archers will easily be able to make their points back if they manage to break the demigryph unit. In a unit of 3, once only 1 model is left, you're reallying on double 1s if they break. You also are only M7, nothing special for cavalry. Mournfang are far more effective in their role.

biccat wrote:Flaggelant's are terrible now. And more expensive.

How is getting an average weaponskill terrible? Now against average troops the Flaggelants are no longer being hit on 3+, now just 4+, that improves their survivability greatly (see Bretonnian peasants). Points have gone up but they are now uncapped.

biccat wrote:1) Like most cavalry, they're not going to negate steadfast...ever. Their purpose is to do wounds.
2) No one will ever run multiple ranks because most of your attacks come from the mount.

To do wound and what? Hold things in combat? In a game of steadfast these look like they are only going to lose combat due to the opponents static combat res, if the enemy does any damage (with massed attacks very possible as they are T3) then they've lost even more. Even if they win the enemy is sitting there on unmodified leadership, good luck. If you're throwing this unit at smaller chaff unit, you're wasting their points.

biccat wrote:

ph34r wrote:Fair enough. What is your opinion on the reroll to wound and 5++ warrior priest powers, along with the parent units giving detachments steadfast? If I am not mistaken (I might be!) these are new and strong abilities for standard infantry?

I like them, but they're going to be fickle. Your opponent can dispel a lot of the bound spells. However, with the change from "cast 1 prayer per turn" to "the WP has 3 bound spells," I think you stand a good chance of depleting your opponent's dispel pool, allowing you to get a few prayers off.

Totally agree, the strength of the army is not in the prayers (no unbreakable prayer anymore) they're simply useful as situations arise. I would reserve dice for the spells that matter from your battle wizards.

Seems like the Empire will get a new battalion box in May. Some people interpreted a leaked WD page on Necrons that way (lower left, half hidden left page). We will see this week.


Edit: I can confirm that the Empire will get a battalion box on 5th May.
Content: 20 State Troops, 10 Handgunners/Crossbowmen, 8 Empire Knights and one cannon (85 €).

Empire battalion on preorder (£60.00):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1530104a

Toss out the greatswords and put in a cannon, that costs about half as much

And yet they only drop the price by $5. Way to go GW

kenshin620 wrote:Toss out the greatswords and put in a cannon, that costs about half as much

And yet they only drop the price by $5. Way to go GW

Did you expect something different?

Wait, the last battalion had 10 state troops, 10 ranged state troops, a cannon, knights and pistoliers/outriders, right? So the new one is just replacing the P/O with another 10 state troops. Or am I horribly mistaken? (Seeing how I just bought this box, I don't think I'm too mistaken )

Okay, just checked google-did they have 2 separate Empire boxes out, plus the reinforcement box of wizards, helblaster, flagellants and STs?

The odds of doing a wound to a Demigryph knight is so bad it's almost never worth shooting at them with conventional small arms. For example, it would take 24 long range Elven bow shots just to do one wound. And unlike regular knights where rolling a "1" means less attacks, Demigryphs lose zero punch after suffering two wounds. Taking a standard Life wizard keeps them topped up on wounds as well.

Ehsteve wrote: In a unit of 3, once only 1 model is left, you're reallying on double 1s if they break. You also are only M7, nothing special for cavalry. Mournfang are far more effective in their role.

You only rally on snake eyes once down to 25% or less. 1 out of 3 is 33%. Mournfang are better on the charge but generally worse than Demigryphs after the charge due to their lower initiative, WS, and save. Also, they are far more susceptible to the big Initiative spells.

Flagellants generally got worse in the new book. Pros: Uncapped, Special, better WS. Cons: Can lose their Frenzy, must Martyr, Martyr is far less reliable, significant points increase (20%)

From experience I can tell you that Demigryphs are very good at grinding down steadfast blocks. 1+ armour goes a huge distance against most infantry in the game. They obviously have bad matchups (Chosen, Chaos Warriors, Temple Guard, Savage Orc Big Uns) but they will grind down almost any infantry unit in the game. Static res on most units is 4, 3 Demigryphs alone can easily score that (not counting Knight attacks or stomps.)

Wait wait wait wait..... Is one of those state troopers not wearing shoes?? What is this, Woodstock!? Somebody get that man some shoes for crying out loud. He's a Solider in the Emperors army, not some free company scum sucker.


No no seriously why doesn't he have shoes? Whos bright idea was that?

Love the knights in the 4 wide formation. You know your kit is old when...

Snrub wrote:Wait wait wait wait..... Is one of those state troopers not wearing shoes?? What is this, Woodstock!? Somebody get that man some shoes for crying out loud. He's a Solider in the Emperors army, not some free company scum sucker.


No no seriously why doesn't he have shoes? Whos bright idea was that?

This is a subject of much hate 'n' debate with Empire players...

Snrub wrote:No no seriously why doesn't he have shoes? Whos bright idea was that?

He is the famous guy who said: "Ratmen? Nonsense, there are no ratmen. I will eat my shoes if anyone can show me a single ratman!"

Kroothawk wrote:

Snrub wrote:No no seriously why doesn't he have shoes? Whos bright idea was that?

He is the famous guy who said: "Ratmen? Nonsense, there are no ratmen. I will eat my shoes if anyone can show me a single ratman!"

lol Kroot.

That's about a perfect caption.

They are Stirlanders.... Too poor to afford shoes

Johnny-Crass wrote:They are Stirlanders.... Too poor to afford shoes

A single Stirlander in a Talabheim army...