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 Irbis wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of the Xenos, I’m curious to see what they would do for Tau, as their original fluff had them abhorring Titans as being too specialized (i.e., big) for practical use. It’d be interesting if they kept that ideal, with battle suits no larger than Knights, but hitting well above their size class (especially if attacking in tandem, like the old Eldar Fire Prism tanks).

That ship sailed ages ago and the lore bit you mention is dead since abomination that was 6th edition Tau book:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NZ/Tau-KX139-Ta%27unar-Supremacy-Armour

Well, comparing, the Ta'unar is knight-sized (not even as big as a warhound), so they've bent but not broken that just yet.

Uh, what? Stormsurge is knight sized, Taunar is just as big as Warhound (well, slightly lower, but accounting for the guns on top it's even taller), and the 3 top guns are all bigger than Warhound turbolasers. At best you can argue Taunar is slightly lighter class, mounting 1 gun on top heavier than Warhound arm guns, with the two arm guns being 'light' titan weapons, but no more than that IMO...

I was going by this picture:



The Taunar’s frame is smaller than a warhound, looks to be Cerastus Knight sized. Oversized weapons, but that speaks to the “hitting well above their size class”.

Yes, the Taunar might be nearly as tall as a Warhound, but like the Cerastus Knight it's significantly smaller, as the Warhound is about as long and wide as it is tall.

And that's still nowhere near the equilavent of reaver, warbringer or warlord scale nevermind imperator. We have no evidence of tau suits that big.

I can see Tau being a combined arms type force. Lots of support units to provide shielding, lots of smaller classes to spread out the firepower.

After all, they don't seem to have much in the way of production worries.

Tau might come along once they develop more rules for knight heavy forces.

has there been any talk about "universal" legion rules in titandeath?
not all of us are inntrested in running the "official " legions that are in the rule book or the titandeath expansion.

Well we got our Titan between Reaver and Warlord in the Warbringer (which I really like) but what purpose would a light Titan smaller than a Warhound serve? I don't get that at all. There are already Knights that fill all sorts of roles and come in varied sizes.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
has there been any talk about "universal" legion rules in titandeath?
not all of us are inntrested in running the "official " legions that are in the rule book or the titandeath expansion.

Unlikely. Do what 40k players have done. Say "these use rules for legion X". That's what my Legio Victorum is going to do!

 SickSix wrote:
Well we got our Titan between Reaver and Warlord in the Warbringer (which I really like) but what purpose would a light Titan smaller than a Warhound serve? I don't get that at all. There are already Knights that fill all sorts of roles and come in varied sizes.

More offensive weaponry and durability than a Knight, greater speed and maneuverability than a Warhound. The only chassis that Knights have that's heavier than the (already in game) Cerastus is the Acastus, and I believe that's a Mechanicum not Legio unit, so there's scope.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
has there been any talk about "universal" legion rules in titandeath?
not all of us are inntrested in running the "official " legions that are in the rule book or the titandeath expansion.

I don't know, but the rulebook does address one player having legio rules while the other doesn't. You get extra stratagem points. See page 89.

It's not perfect, but it handles the situation better than 40K does.

I'd love to see more generic legio rules that us homebrewers can use.

 Fajita Fan wrote:
I'd love to see more generic legio rules that us homebrewers can use.

You could homebrew some.

Chopstick wrote:
Eldar Titan can leap over a building and blast a Titan in the rear , but since the rule writer of this game deliberately went out of his way to disregard common sense for balance they'd probably end up with weird rule.

You've got my curiosity. What would have been common sense for balance?

 Fajita Fan wrote:
I'd love to see more generic legio rules that us homebrewers can use.

Or you can be sensible and just cherry pick a Legio's rules that you like the look of, just because they labeled it Legio Tempestus doesn't mean they can only be used by models painted blue.

 Imateria wrote:

 Fajita Fan wrote:
I'd love to see more generic legio rules that us homebrewers can use.

Or you can be sensible and just cherry pick a Legio's rules that you like the look of, just because they labeled it Legio Tempestus doesn't mean they can only be used by models painted blue.

Sure but I’m a fluff gamer and it’d be nice to have a few generic ones (like the generic rites of war in 30k) where I could pick one that really fits the theme. A guy can dream...

I believe they mentioned on stream is ideas you pick one, my slaanesh winter themed legion uses gryphonicus as it matches I just reword the names of the rules to be fluffy for them.

Im really hoping there are 3-4 legion rules in new book so there is good variety.

tneva82 wrote:
And that's still nowhere near the equilavent of reaver, warbringer or warlord scale nevermind imperator. We have no evidence of tau suits that big.

Let me point out that until Taunar appeared out of thin air without warning or hints, same was true about Warhound sized models. Wanna bet one snap of fingers and megasupremacy armour will suddenly appear if FW wants it? It's not like it doesn't have fluff justification, Tau are on 5th expansion zone now and there was at least 300 years since they shown anything new, plenty of time to develop proper titan. If they can pull Stormsurge and Taunar out of their collective arses in what was literally weeks, three centuries are much more realistic window to produce Tau'lord...

 Stormonu wrote:
I was going by this picture:



The Taunar’s frame is smaller than a warhound, looks to be Cerastus Knight sized. Oversized weapons, but that speaks to the “hitting well above their size class”.

Two big problems with this picture: One, that is either scratch built or some sort of older Warhound model. This is not the smooth, modern Warhound which isn't that tall IIRC. Also, it's standing completely straight, put it in any sort of walking pose and it will easily lose 2-5 cm.

Two, even bigger one, Cerastus is on scenic base and is closer to us. Taunar stands on table. Put it on base next to it and it will tower over both, its carapace roughly level with Warhound head, and the guns sticking above its top plate, especially the huge launcher one.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, the Taunar might be nearly as tall as a Warhound, but like the Cerastus Knight it's significantly smaller, as the Warhound is about as long and wide as it is tall.

A) See above, B) if you actually ever saw these models in person, you'd see Taunar is bulkier than Cerastus and its main body is pretty similar in volume to Warhound. So, nope, twice.

 Irbis wrote:




Two big problems with this picture: One, that is either scratch built or some sort of older Warhound model. This is not the smooth, modern Warhound which isn't that tall IIRC. Also, it's standing completely straight, put it in any sort of walking pose and it will easily lose 2-5 cm.

Two, even bigger one, Cerastus is on scenic base and is closer to us. Taunar stands on table. Put it on base next to it and it will tower over both, its carapace roughly level with Warhound head, and the guns sticking above its top plate, especially the huge launcher one.

That's the Lucius pattern warhound, in a rather neutral pose. Very close in size to the Mars pattern, within a cm or so.
Right leg of the cerastus is nearly even with the right leg on the taunar. And that is a plastic base with sand and static grass, only giving it a couple mm of height. Very minimal effect on height due to perspective.
Taunar body is bulkier than the cerastus, but does have large cutouts for the smart missile and burst cannon arrays under the chest. And the body fits 3 crew, which only take up the head of the warhound.

A proper Imperial comparison for the Taunar is not the Warhound, but the Acastus Knight at most.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
And that's still nowhere near the equilavent of reaver, warbringer or warlord scale nevermind imperator. We have no evidence of tau suits that big.

Let me point out that until Taunar appeared out of thin air without warning or hints, same was true about Warhound sized models. Wanna bet one snap of fingers and megasupremacy armour will suddenly appear if FW wants it? It's not like it doesn't have fluff justification, Tau are on 5th expansion zone now and there was at least 300 years since they shown anything new, plenty of time to develop proper titan. If they can pull Stormsurge and Taunar out of their collective arses in what was literally weeks, three centuries are much more realistic window to produce Tau'lord...

Yes FW CAN do it if they want. But so far they haven't and thus claims that the old fluff is already broken is just urban myth. There's no evidence whatsoever of warlord sized tau walkers. There's evidence of dedicated titan killing flyers though.

New Warzone Beta out today. And just to really tease you, they've included a disabled Epic Leman Russ on the board! The gits!

 zedmeister wrote:
New Warzone Beta out today. And just to really tease you, they've included a disabled Epic Leman Russ on the board! The gits!

GASP!

What could this mean, Zedmeister?

That they have CAD file for that model at least

SamusDrake wrote:
What could this mean, Zedmeister?

That Forgeworld likes to troll?


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tneva82 wrote:
That they have CAD file for that model at least

They have the crashed Xiphon on the other board

 zedmeister wrote:


That Forgeworld likes to troll?

The evil sods!

Could also just be the result of 'feasibility studies' into how well the old Debigulator deals with smaller models.

We know they had to modify the Warlord design following Debigulation, to make sure the parts actually worked.

Running the odd tank and flyer through it (And the Russ does have some fairly fine detail) may have just been them seeing what they can do, and how long it takes to tidy it all up. That in itself is going to be a big part of whether we see Epic ever again. After all, if you can confidentally and relatively quickly just debigulate, that's a cheaper production method than having to do each one from scratch. And the cheaper they can make the production, the more likely we are to see it. And indeed, the more variety they can offer close to launch, because that's what Epic really needs!

Sneaking vehicles on to scenic tables is a crafty way to develop a new range....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could also just be the result of 'feasibility studies' into how well the old Debigulator deals with smaller models.

We know they had to modify the Warlord design following Debigulation, to make sure the parts actually worked.

Running the odd tank and flyer through it (And the Russ does have some fairly fine detail) may have just been them seeing what they can do, and how long it takes to tidy it all up. That in itself is going to be a big part of whether we see Epic ever again. After all, if you can confidentally and relatively quickly just debigulate, that's a cheaper production method than having to do each one from scratch. And the cheaper they can make the production, the more likely we are to see it. And indeed, the more variety they can offer close to launch, because that's what Epic really needs!

They already know what 6mm leman russes looks like though. Ditto for plenty of newer marine vehicles like land raider etc.

But it's whether they need to be designed from scratch, or can be rescaled from existing files.

The latter is a much cheaper way to do it, and that will affect any decision to pursue Epic as a full system, and indeed how soon we might see it.

If a decent percentage can be resized with minimal adjustments, that's just a more attractive prospect than having to redo the majority of the Heresy range in miniature - both in terms of cost, and the necessary man hours.

For example. If they can, then that might be a weekend 'free lance' job for SG peeps. Just take a couple of files home, do your dooberry, back in on Monday with them suitably resized.

If not? Then it's far more labour intensive.

Look, if Blue Peter can make Tracy Island from loo-rolls then Games Workshop can give us Matchbox Landraiders!

I don't think those terrain tiles are a CAD job. FW showed photos of the design process and they're basically just sticking stuff onto a tile then taking a mold of it.

They could have even used an old metal Russ for this!