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Gate is used during the movement phase :(

I play Deathwing with 3 Landraiders in an 1850 list, and do come across those that just cant do anything sometimes, especially if you stay moving.

I don't even want to face that WM :(

Sounds scary, but 20 models in a 1850 list really isn't. A few lucky shots early and I'm hosed.

whalemusic360 wrote:I play Deathwing with 3 Landraiders in an 1850 list, and do come across those that just cant do anything sometimes, especially if you stay moving.

but thats Deathwing, thats what they do, deathstar their termies and just pwn, i'd be hard pressed to take that down just because theres only so many HW's that I can give donate to fire on the land raiders and stop them before they bring the pain. Might get 1-2 destroyed/immobilized if lucky, but gonna have to deal with em eventually, when i use land raiders i use them as moving cover, works pretty well

I did not suggest re-building the list around fighting AV-14, just modify to to shift away from softer targets to harder ones (primarily AP 2). I have limited ability to change my list. I have access to a few dreads of varying configurations, some regular terminators (which suck for the points, especially against better equipped chaos terminators), a couple of tactical squads in rhinos. I could raid my son's Doom Eagles for his land raiders, predator, vindi or assault squad. So while there are some extra pieces there, I'm not sure any of it adds up to a cohesive force.

If I were running Abbadon, I would not start him on the table. I'd teleport him in along with a bunch of combi-weapon armed termies to nuke pretty much whatever I wanted, followed by an assault the next turn. If my opponent is foolish enough to start him on the table, I'll take advantage of it, but I expect he'll force me to play my hand first via drop pod assault, then deep strike in on top of me (probably on my sternguard).

at 1850 only my blood angels army can deal with that... at 1750 (the highest I've played my ultramarines at) I have 2 multi-meltas (one on a dread and one on a tac) 2 missile launchers, and 2 melta, and 1 assault cannon... I would have a hard


using the 2 drop pods that I know you have, you could choose to keep the sternguard in regular reserve (meaning that at least abaddon is coming in the same turn as them... or before them if you take second turn).

Also I don't suggest building your list to av 14... I'm saying its what I do because those are the two extremes I face, so having av 14 is a benefit for me.

dajobe wrote:I wouldnt ever structure my army around trying to fight a AV14, they arent that common(LR, monolith, Leman Russ Front Armor in which case just get to its side or get something in CC with it that can tear up that AV10 back armor). This may just be my experience though, have you guys encountered many?

I have faced a LR (or its ilk) in 3 of the past 5 campaign games. Gits seams to have enough melta in his list to deal with one...and on top of that, he has 2 strength 10 ordinance pie plates.

true, i forgot about the vindicators...those can do some damage on a LR


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that would make a 24 inch nono zone for the opponent

Don't forget, Abby has killed himself many times in games with me, that weapon of his can cause him a wound every turn.

Goterdamrung wrote:Don't forget, Abby has killed himself many times in games with me, that weapon of his can cause him a wound every turn.

Thus why he's Abaddon the Disappointment

I wasnt suggesting rebuilding the army, to use gk only, but just to augment the pretty solid army list you already have. I am sorry if I gave the idea that your army list was cack and you needed a wholesale change.
I would not advocate anything that would mess with the theme of your army and ruin it.
I like the look of your army, and you have a good build, but just thought a rogue gk element might be handy for abaddon or any daemonic gribbliness they might encounter.

Your sternguard should do a good job on them and if he is held back in reserve atleast the vindis could set up kill zones for where he night show up

more like a bucket head

Abaddon: IM GOING TO KILL YOU ALL
Guardsman 1: Holy S***, look at that claw!
Guardsman 2: Holy Emperor, help us!
Abaddon: HERE COMES MY TALONS!(accidently stabs self in stomach)
Guardsman1: what a loser
Guardsman 2: ive known whiteshields tougher than him...

@dantay. It's all good my friend.. Don't think I can field two codexi though

Say you want to practice for Adepticon already and run 1000 mantis and 1000 of something else lol. Everyone at TLS store seems to start adepticon right after the prior one ends anyway Git

I wanted to do that, but my teammates don't want to start until 5 months before. Heck, I can hardly paint a squad in that time!

lol, i bet your guys look pretty good, they do from the images i have seen...mine dont so much

I know you aren't going to radically change your army or anything but I am currently running Lysander with a 10 man termie squad... re-rolls on their stormbolters (17 wounds out of 20 in one round ) plus with a stormshield, 4 wounds and eternal warrior he is no slouch in combat either... gotta love a str 10 hammer as well.....

I've had other people mention that Lysander is good. How do you deploy them? Do you have them deep strike in? I have thought about that but it doesn't leave me many points for well... anything else. I could take Lysander, my terminator libby, 10 terminators and like... a few scouts. That's about 2k eh?? ;-) Run all the terminators in one big blob and have the libby just gate them all over the battlefield. Or would Lysander be left behind by the gate? (which would be amusing)

Gitsplitta wrote:I've had other people mention that Lysander is good. How do you deploy them? Do you have them deep strike in? I have thought about that but it doesn't leave me many points for well... anything else. I could take Lysander, my terminator libby, 10 terminators and like... a few scouts. That's about 2k eh?? ;-) Run all the terminators in one big blob and have the libby just gate them all over the battlefield. Or would Lysander be left behind by the gate? (which would be amusing)

As long as Lysander is attached to the same unit as the Libby, he will gate with the rest of them. With the current mishap chart, however, I personally haven't been the bigest fan of the deepstrike...unless you have protection, like a DP. Even then, shooty terminators are not what they use to be ever since they nerfed donkey cannons (assault cannons)...especially with the growing ammount of FNP in 40K and abundant cover saves. Instead, Haminators have taken the spotlight and are usually driven into assualt range with a LR Crusader or LR Redeemer. Kinda the opposite of 4th edition when you think about it .

Well, a homing beacon on my scout bikes should do the trick, if I recall the rules correctly it applies to all deep striking troops. That is IF they're still alive at that point.

I agree about the relative uselessness of standard termies. I have two cyclone ML's for mine and a couple of chain fists... that's the best I can muster. It's a totally cracked idea... but would probably be really fun to run for a turn or two until they all get picked off by special weapons fire.

I walk them on and put them in 3+ cover ( thanks to Lysander and his bolster defences rule) 10 stormbolters, 2 CMLs and Lysander. It works best in matches with objectives when they can cover a couple of them.

Usual caveat, I am not the best general out there

And I am not sure about how much they cost as I am work but I have the termies, lysander, 4 10 man marine squads in rhinos with meltas and multimeltas or laascannons and two riflemen dreads all for a measly 1850 points!

Assault cannon may be nerfed, but i still use it, because i like how it is rending, that is nice, i can get a S9 attack off it if i am really lucky.

I've popped Land Raiders with assault cannons with lucky 6 rolls, is effective on lower armor quite a bit

Well, I've re-written my list over a dozen times now and just haven't been happy with any of the variations. What I've got painted works pretty well together, but it doesn't work well out of that specific configuration. I guess I'll just keep working on the paint jobs of the last groups of figs & throw a list together at the last minute. I may try to mock up a Lysander... really he's just a TH/SS termie... but I'm not too sure at this point.

I want to apologize to everyone for pages and pages of text with no substantial painting updates. Been other priorities as of late. I will have a solid 5 hours of painting tonight (thinking of having a Godzilla marathon on the TV in my studio) so I expect to finish up the scouts, including basing... and make major progress on either the jet bikes or the librarian.

So, please don't bail on me... this will be a P&M blog once again before long (hopefully I'll have some pics tonight).

Gits, we're here for the long haul I mean we're giving you this advice because we want to see more painted minis and say..."Hey, he got that idea from me"

Gitsplitta wrote:I want to apologize to everyone for pages and pages of text with no substantial painting updates. Been other priorities as of late.

Gits. Mate. This is a community. The fact it's a community and not a herd of art critics who demand painting at a rate of knots is what got me to start here and to stay here. And really, it's become a blog about multiple aspects and these all influence the others! After all, what you choose to field in your army determines what you paint, right? No need to apologise. It's informative and helps get things moving really.

I plan on having a painting session as well today, trying to get my hoarde of guardsmen painted, thinking all 3 LOTR, probably get some done...

i dont care if there havent been photos in a while, i just like this thread, it seems pretty relaxed, not the usual dakka fanboi versus all thread

Well said; and I say that as basically a lurking P&Mer.