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The sternguard can put a bunch of 2+ poison rounds in and hope you make him roll around 12 to 14 saves. But without some serious punch like TH/SS termies or a large group of power weapon attacks, Abbadon and his termi retinue could suck to play with.

Fighting the rollover - but yes, masses of 2+ wounding hits is the way forward for just about anything with a Toughness value.

Considering that squad can happily pour 20 such shots out - 2/3rds hit on average - and he'll fail 1/6 saves. This everything counts in large amounts approach is how Orks and Nids function

Throw LOADS of AP 2 shots at Abbadon and his termi squad... he doesn't get the fanciful storm shield, so if you throw lots of AP 2 (or even rending shots) at him, force him to roll those 5+ rather than the 2+

On that note: I would take 2 vindicators, 2 24 inch shots using the large blast template thats strength 10, AP 2... So you're wounding on 2s, and he HAS to take the 5+ invuln save, and even if he throws a wound on Abaddon, it won't double him out (due to his Mark of Chaos Ascendant) but he still has to take a 4+ invuln save.

Alfndrate wrote:Throw LOADS of AP 2 shots at Abbadon and his termi squad... he doesn't get the fanciful storm shield, so if you throw lots of AP 2 (or even rending shots) at him, force him to roll those 5+ rather than the 2+

4+

Abaddon is a bit more special.

my friend forgot his rulebook and just bought abaddon, and gave him 3+ invulnerables!!! luckily i was just spamming him with lasgun shots so it didnt matter, except the time i shot my LC's at him...

How did he give Abaddon 3+ invulns?

Also, DSS check out my edit

Question: Would a force weapon actually work on Abbadon? Or does his "eternal warrior" mean that he can only take one would at a time no matter what?

He didn't have his rulebook and guesed incorrectly.

Force Weapons have to inflict a wound first, so once Abaddon has taken a wound from the force weapon (relying on a 4+ invuln) you then can make your psychic check and poof no more abaddon because he wasn't killed, he was removed.

Oh okay, that makes sense lol

he was just wrong... and he cannot be instakilled because of eternal warrior, but its alot more likely to fail a 4+ save than a 2+, which is force weapons are good

Ah, yes... that's what I was wondering.

Thanks Alf n' all!

Hey wyfox... what ever happened to the Anamaicacs anyway? I can still hear their rather "unbalanced" theme song running around in my head...

ooooh, srry, didnt see your post alfrndate, i will have to remember that one...
srry. still off topic, can abaddon and a terminator squad teleport to a berserker squad? my friend never lets me see his chaos book and always "forgets it" and says abaddon can teleport to zerks...i can put this in rules if you guys dont want to/cant answer.

It went the way of the dinosaurs :(


If they are teleporting into battle, personal icons work like teleport homers in the marine dex... if its within 6 inches, 0 scatter... But thats ONLY when arriving by deep strike... he can't teleport during the game.

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I was referring to Animaniacs... it went the way of the dinosaurs (i.e. its not here no more)

Alfndrate wrote:Force Weapons have to inflict a wound first, so once Abaddon has taken a wound from the force weapon (relying on a 4+ invuln) you then can make your psychic check and poof no more abaddon because he wasn't killed, he was removed.

Oh okay, that makes sense lol

That was the old FW from the 3rd ed. DH codex. FW in 5th edition cause Instant Death, which EW counters.

that was a good show, and thanks for the rule thing, he went to one side with em and shot some dudes up, then teleported with the zerks over to the other side right into my lines...but at least i still won!

OK, so... we're back to killing Abbadon one wound at a time then?

yes... one wound at a time, luckily hes 275 pts, so each wound is worth 55 pts, thats alot, which is why i dont mind my friend taking him, i dont like EVER having that many point in one model, which is why i dont use nightbringer for my crons, but yes 1 wound at time

Its a good thing I don't use libararians then :( sorry now I feel like an idiot (and I can't blame knowing old 3ed rules... cause I've only been playing for like half a year)

Gitsplitta wrote:
Hey wyfox... what ever happened to the Anamaicacs anyway? I can still hear their rather "unbalanced" theme song running around in my head...

Unfortunately one of the best cartoon shows ever has been off the air for years . Though you can rent it from Netflix and it seams like several website have episodes that you can watch online for free.

It was aptly named... and very funny in a disturbing sort of way.

Might be a good time to break out the red knights and use them as IC hunters, all those force weapons, plus the halberds get +2 to initiative I think, or falchions for extra hitty killy death.
All those storm bolters will put out a respectable level of firepower too.

Is he using black legion, or is abaddon "counting as" a badab war character?

Btw Alf, anybody who uses the big H as their avatar, I do not want to tangle with... do you use 1-liners like Horatio in real life?

I do, and then my roommate follows it up with a resounding YEAAAAAAAHHH!!!... Sadly, I don't have sunglasses, just regular prescription glasses :(

wyomingfox wrote:

Gitsplitta wrote:
Hey wyfox... what ever happened to the Anamaicacs anyway? I can still hear their rather "unbalanced" theme song running around in my head...

Unfortunately one of the best cartoon shows ever has been off the air for years . Though you can rent it from Netflix and it seams like several website have episodes that you can watch online for free.

I think chunks of it are even on Youtube!

@dantay: The point of the campaign is to play my Mantis Warriors... not a different army. I couldn't come up with 2k in Red Knights anyway... still missing a number of components. Issue is I just can't grab "loads of AP 2" weapons out of thin air. I either have them, or I don't. In one week's time I have very little opportunity to make adjustments to what I've already built and painted.

I can make minor changes... with a terminator/LR opponent for example, I may drop the dev squad for something with a bit more teeth... IF I can find something with a bit more teeth. Have to think on it a bit.

i like the mantis warrrior design, its pretty sweet, i actually havent played that many opponents that use LR's. Even though i have 1(2 actually because i bought his off him for cheap), i never really use it, i wouldnt ever structure my army around trying to fight a AV14, they arent that common(LR, monolith, Leman Russ Front Armor in which case just get to its side or get something in CC with it that can tear up that AV10 back armor). This may just be my experience though, have you guys encountered many?

What do you have that is AP 2?

Plasma, Melta, Vindicators, Missiles

I'm not saying tailor your list, but I don't know much that can handle strength 8 ap 2 weapons

As for structuring my army to fight AV 14, I structure my army to fight Dark Eldar and Grey Knights... because if I have a Space Marin list (I run ultramarines) that can handle those 2 armies, I can handle most others... the 14 helps against str 8 auto cannons, and the massive fire power from Crusaders shreds Dark Eldar vehicles (Also A dreadnought > Lelith)

Well, it is choas so at the very least you can expect a lash prince and some obliterators.

Gitsplitta wrote:@dantay: The point of the campaign is to play my Mantis Warriors... not a different army. I couldn't come up with 2k in Red Knights anyway... still missing a number of components. Issue is I just can't grab "loads of AP 2" weapons out of thin air. I either have them, or I don't. In one week's time I have very little opportunity to make adjustments to what I've already built and painted.

Sternguard. You've already loaded them with Combi AP1 and AP2 and they also have the ability to wound on 2+s. I don't have the SM codex on me but what phase is Gate used in? If it's shooting....then here's a devil of a plan.

Pod next to Abbadon. Open fire with the combi-weapons. Gate away. Next turn...gate back in next to his mangled squad. Rapid fire with the 2+ rounds.