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DSS to the rescue!

Codex Space Marines. Page 69.

The Drop Pod has a transport Capacity of 12 models.

Codex Space Wolves and Blood Angels have different values.

Good Man DSS!!! (Yippie! Strategy saved!)

i need to bring my codex's to work...

Drop pod can hold 12, so you can throw an IC with termi armor if wanted

I love how I said that a few pages ago when giving Gits possible ideas for his build, and no one believes little old alfndrate

Oh look I said it here

I decree I'm 2 pages ahead of the curve (which doesn't mean anything but inflate my own ego.

You also have to be careful too because some armies (Dark Angels) also don't get the Drop Pod Assault rule (where has wolves, marines, and blood angels do)


Not trying to sound like a braggart, just noticing how much I missed by heading over to the YMTC forums and reading about KFF saves.

I bring Codexes to work for when it's quiet. I'm useful that way. Currently I have SM, CSM, Tyranids, Eldar and a few others sat here for my perusal.

Well, no one argued with you Alf until DANTAY brought it up.... (da...dummmmmm!) *dramatic music*

;-)

Okay, Dantay... its on... Wolves vs Angels... set go

As for the codex at work issue, someone dropped a flash drive with the codices and errata into my lap, and said for reference only... so tis what I do

thats freakin sweet, luckily i only work in the summer, so in the school year i will have 24/7 codex access! not sure how much playin i will get in, will have to take a cab to get to FLGS, plus i have class...

On topic: so you decided on the vindicators?

Yeah dajobe... I have that list out to a friend who is a top level competitive player... but barring any major reservations from him, I think I'll go with it. It looks like a really fun, flexible, versatile list. I will build others of course... actually I can see another list that MoTF driven and a third that features my vanguard and some assault troops. But right now I'm the closest to having this one completed, so I'll push forward with it.... probably just in time for 6th edition to arrive and completely wreck the way it works.

I'll believe all these 6th edition rumors once i see em in print and they tell me i'm doing everything else wrong. I'll let all the rumors fly and watch people panic, either way i get to make jet noises as I fly my Storm Ravens around the board and watch them blow up by turn 2 dropping my death company on the wrong side of the board as always...

Gits, I have a question, vis a vis the Iron Clad.

I understand that is has not done much, offensively, but have you added in the value of it being a fire magnet? In other words, how much firepower has it drawn away from the rest of the army? If this is a consistently high value, it should be taken into consideration.

--Brian

Good point Brian. I have. Its been replaced by two AV 13 vindicators with S 10 pie plates which I believe will actually draw and soak up more fire. Better yet, they draw attention away from the assault elements rather than toward them.

i wasnt saying that there is anything wrong with the list. I like MOTF on the other list. Vanguard on the third? They are defintely very good, but i never use assault troops any more because mine never make armour saves...ever...and are just a waste of points when i play them, but if you make your saves, i could see how they would work as well.


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i think my poor assault troops are cursed, only use em in apocalypse when i use all my guys...

Gitsplitta wrote:Yeah dajobe... I have that list out to a friend who is a top level competitive player...

Having a pro look over your list helps...but more practical is game time. Luckily you are blessed with some of the williest players imaginable just a 30 minute drive away. I would ask Kohl, Pickle, Tyler, and Jarred to bring thier strongest (take all comers) tournie list and proceed to beat you over the head with it using NOVA style mission rules. You can just ask Norbu to bring his standard fair .... If your list can survive those guys, then you should have a solid time at Adepticon.

Oh, and buy Kaplow dice

Well, I'll freely admit that currently Vanguard are a terrible use of points. But they're so fluffy for my army that they have a rock solid place in my lists. I'll just deal with the consequences.

Only thing I might worry about would be DE. Stupid dark lances, but even armor 12 has that magic number value. But they can throw out alot of shots

i dont know if waste of points is the right word...but as i said, cant make an armour save to save my life, which is why i have been workin on my IG army lately, rolling 5 1+2's out of 7 dice is annoying...


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where my neighbor will literally make his armour saves 7/8 times for his chaos marines, its ridiculous



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he shouts "blood for the blood god" before each roll...and it somehow works...

More annoying is Baron Cock Block. An IC that gives an Alpha Strike List a greater potential to Alpha Strike...go figure


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dajobe wrote:he shouts "blood for the blood god" before each roll...and it somehow works...

Try playing the carebear theme song in the background...that should throw the lucky buggard off.

rofl,people that work by me were staring at me...

dajobe wrote: rolling 5 1+2's out of 7 dice is annoying...

So. Apocalypse game. I reach the point where Epidemius' kill counter has hit the magic number and alll attacks from Nurgle models ignore armour saves.

I rapid fire ten combi-bolters on 10 Sisters, anticipating much splatting. I hit an impressive 18 times.

Now, killing on 3s remember....

I managed to roll 15 1s, 2 2s and a 6.

Yes. My dice were special that day.

that is special, kudos, i am not sure i have ever rolled that...amazingly

You deserved a pat on the back and cookie after that one. Time to switch dice.

Well, I talked to the pro from Dover over lunch. He, like many of you, prefers the Iron Clad in the list. I'm still not sold. Too many games (about 15 now) where it hasn't done anything but absorbed fire, and usually after turn 1, it's low priority fire because it's immobilized and they're trying to knock it out for the KP with things that have nothing else to shoot at. That's a lot of points to spend for 1 melta shot and 1 or 2 HK shots.

My next campaign game is a 2000 point affair with a nightmare scenario & mish/mosh of special rules. I get to play chaos marines AGAIN (that's 3 out of my 4 last games) including Abbadon. Of course at that point value I'm just fielding whatever I have painted, not necessarily what is good... but our team is dead last so there's no pressure to do anything except have fun.

Your team is dead last...but EACH game this round has the potential of scoring 23 BONUS campaign points in addition to the 3 points for winning the match!

To emphasize my point...team creepy is in the lead with 43 total points.

You guys have the potential of scoring 104 points in the final round... and even more importanatly, I need you Fairies to keep Chaos in check...since they are a close second and could actually score a whoping 130 points this round

So I don't want to hear any defeatism out of you Gits

I don't know if I'm defeatest... but my track record as of late has been very bad. My game high points in the last SIX games that I've played is a grand total of two victory points. TWO!!!

Slapping together 2k worth of whatever I happen to have painted is NOT a particularly good way to try and claim glorious tabletop victories.

Brief morning update: Got the highlight shade on the scout pads, just wash & markings to go. Took my lady for a night on the town yesterday so only little bits of time for painting. Such is life!

Gits

Can't blame you. Night on the town generally outweighs painting and womenfolk are clearly top priority as they commonly threaten to squish minis if we neglect them

Not only squish but also threaten to paint them pink and purple on their day off. Wouldn't mind if I played Chaos...

Well, the weather out here is about to get really hot and humid, so last night was the last really nice evening weather-wise for the foreseeable future. So we went to our favorite Mexican restaurant in the Dells (a Wisconsin vacation spot near-by) & got a table overlooking the river, played some mini golf on one of the extravagant courses there-a-bouts, and finally went for a long walk down "the strip" which is kind of a permanent carny. All-in-all a very fun evening.

In looking at the next game, I've toyed with the idea of raiding my son's Doom Eagle army in order to get access to some of the things he has that I don't (Land Raiders, Vindicator, Rhinos, assault squad, etc.). I still may, but it would require a major re-tooling strategy wise. On the flip side it's only an extra 150 points more than the last game. I could probably just add the IA-10 Mantis Warrior libby to my existing list and be good to go. Problem is I don't have a good answer for Abbadon or bunches of terminators in my current list. I've also toyed with adding Kantor back in. The last scenarios have a bunch of objectives and making the sternguard scoring would be a big help.

In the mean time though, I'll just keep painting away. With the weather as it is, I suspect the next couple of evenings will afford me at least some time to paint.

@Goterdamrung: Hmmm.... you might be on to something there...