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I hear conservatives throw those words around alot. But what exactly do they mean when they say it. My cousins use this alot and they never give a real answer.
Maybe dakka can help me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hear conservatives throw those words around alot. But what exactly do they mean when they say it. My cousins use this alot and they never give a real answer.
Maybe dakka can help me.

God, Guns, and Tequila!

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hear conservatives throw those words around alot. But what exactly do they mean when they say it. My cousins use this alot and they never give a real answer.
Maybe dakka can help me.

God, Guns, and Tequila!

You forgot Bacon.

What do you think the the guns are wrapped in?

Im serious, what are they, When they talk about them thy say "Y'know Hard Work and stuff" or "No Abortions"

 Frazzled wrote:
What do you think the the guns are wrapped in?

My bad.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that "Traditional American Values" are whatever the person using the phrase believes they should be.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im serious, what are they, When they talk about them thy say "Y'know Hard Work and stuff" or "No Abortions"

On an aside, I google Traditional American Values, and I largely get left wing websites attacking the thought of it. *shrugs*

In an attempt to answer the question, I'd say things like hard working perseverence. The belief in raising oneself up. Acceptance of responsibility for ones own actions. Those are things that first come to my mind when those three words are uttered.

No gays visible, kids are ignorant slaves towards their parents, mom and dad are together with dad being the obvious superior, no women in the work force, guns for all, no foreign influence whatsoever, no minorities visible, girls are virgins until they marry, no drugs, no underage drinking and only the Army is allowed to shoot people. So basically what the 70s thought the 50s was like.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hear conservatives throw those words around alot. But what exactly do they mean when they say it. My cousins use this alot and they never give a real answer.
Maybe dakka can help me.

5 seconds with the google machine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_values

The idea of 1 mother, 1 father raising children in a good and Christian manner. This includes loving your neighbor, being polite and respectful, and respecting the teachings of God, Jesus and the prophets as stated in the Bible...

Also working hard and driving fine American trucks or, if necessary, automobiles.

the people that use the term seem to look back to a golden age of the 1950s that you see on tv shows from back then something that never actually existed think happy days but with more saccharin were all you needed was a bible a gun and a dream to make it big .

 Frazzled wrote:
Also working hard and driving fine American trucks or, if necessary, automobiles.

I drive a Dodge Dakota. I'm a real American.

Though it's the first American car I've ever bought.

My old Honda (now kids) has a higher domestic US content then all Fords and GM cars made at the same time.

Buy American. Buy a Honda.

This?


Don't forget the pink firearms.

 Frazzled wrote:
My old Honda (now kids) has a higher sdomestic US content then all Fords and GM cars made at the same time.

Buy American. Buy a Honda.

I usually buy Kia and Hyundai. Those are built in Alabama and Georgia, not Mexico.

 whembly wrote:
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Don't forget the pink firearms.

No see, for some reason this pic scares me.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
No gays visible, kids are ignorant slaves towards their parents, mom and dad are together with dad being the obvious superior, no women in the work force, guns for all, no foreign influence whatsoever, no minorities visible, girls are virgins until they marry, no drugs, no underage drinking and only the Army is allowed to shoot people. So basically what the 70s thought the 50s was like.

Sounds terribly boring. Just like with my games I like variety in my community. Heck I remember seeing on the news GOP members were ralling against Obama while having the confederet flag in the background.

By the way that was not an attack on republicans. I know many who are open minded, progressive, loving folks.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
This?


Don't forget the pink firearms.

No see, for some reason this pic scares me.

that pic scares just about anybody.

 whembly wrote:
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Don't forget the pink firearms.

No, one of the two dads ( ) has a soul patch. Thats the mark of a godless tree hugger (aka Johnson) and has no place in the great nation of ours.


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 djones520 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
My old Honda (now kids) has a higher sdomestic US content then all Fords and GM cars made at the same time.

Buy American. Buy a Honda.

I usually buy Kia and Hyundai. Those are built in Alabama and Georgia, not Mexico.

I'd check on that. Kia (at least when I bought mine) was made in Korea.

Jeeze... is everyone's sarcas-o-meter broken today?

OP: Maybe you're looking for American Exceptionalism?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
This?


Don't forget the pink firearms.

No see, for some reason this pic scares me.

is the 5yr old with the 'sniper rifle' and revolver? Or is it his sisters on the verge of puberty with guns?

No. I figured it. it is the guy on the lefts smile. its the smile of "Im gonna muder you"

How has nobody mentioned porno mags as a traditional American value? After all, we don't get boobies in our orange juice commercials.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
How has nobody mentioned porno mags as a traditional American value? After all, we don't get boobies in our orange juice commercials.

Their big in Japan as well. Though their regular channels don't tend to censure a lot after a certain hour. I remember once as a kid watching Batman rape someone... I wonder how much damage was caused to my psyche because I underwent puberty in Japan.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
This?


Don't forget the pink firearms.

No see, for some reason this pic scares me.

is the 5yr old with the 'sniper rifle' and revolver? Or is it his sisters on the verge of puberty with guns?

It appears gun safety isn't part of the curriculum here. I wouldn't be too wild about someone, especially a kid, pointing a pistol in the general direction of my head.

Thats not gun safety. The little one in the center (where its aimed at) is actually the devil. Just look at those eyes. This family is terrified and forced to take this stock photo as just one more torment for the devil's amusement. I mean look at the pic of the wife/daughter on the right - if thats not a forced smile of terror I don't know what is. I mean who else but the devil would make you dress up like that? Thats also why little Johnnie has the revolver pointed at her too.

Won't someone help this poor family!

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hear conservatives throw those words around alot. But what exactly do they mean when they say it. My cousins use this alot and they never give a real answer.
Maybe dakka can help me.

5 seconds with the google machine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_values

The idea of 1 mother, 1 father raising children in a good and Christian manner. This includes loving your neighbor, being polite and respectful, and respecting the teachings of God, Jesus and the prophets as stated in the Bible...

I would argue tha the "American" variant is different.

We are probably talking abotu the American Dream, where you can work hard, get yoru own plot of land, and make life better for YOUR next generation. Then, sprinkle in some liberty and a bit of small D democracy.

Traditional values are in the eye of the beholder. Oftentimes, people will appeal to the founding fathers, but the problem is the founding fathers weren't some amorphous blob, they had significant disagreements among themselves.

A good example of this is the issue of Church and State.

Many will argue that the Judeo-Christian religion was meant to be vital to the governance of the country, while others will argue that the Founding Fathers were largely opposed to it, as evidenced by things like the 1st Amendment.

I personally fall into the latter category, but that's neither here nor there. The point is that different people have different views. The 2nd Amendment is a fertile ground for that kind of interpretation.

Myself, I don't give much weight to "traditional values" for two reasons.
1. It's tough to nail down what traditional values are in the first place. There's no uniform opinion among the founders, so do I appeal to the majority? What if there's no clear majority?
2. Times change. I am reminded of a joke I heard: "Everyone always says 'What would the Founding Fathers say if they saw X policy happening?' and I respond, 'That's BS, the first thing the Founding Fathers would say if they were here today would be 'HOLY **** AIRPLANES!''"

Of course, the Founders would have never known to call it an airplane, but that's not material. What is material though is how issues change over time. You didn't have automatic weapons, or abortions, or computers with webcams in the 1700s. You can't deal with those issues with a 1700s mindset, because the mindset necessary to deal with those issues couldn't have existed at that time.

USA brings to mind: spring break and guns.