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Kroothawk wrote:Just to make it clear: Epicast, Armorcast and Forge World USA were all third party, who had an official GW licence to upscale Epic models to 40k scale (and some other models) with official 40k rules included. So they are third party official 40k models. Full story here:
http://www.epicast.com/index.php?mode=page&page=lostandbanned
Just to clear up a little of the bad info posted in this thread..
Mike Biasi Studios, Forge World USA and Armorcast all made 40K models under GW license from 1993-1998. All of these models produced by the three companies are marked "Copyright Games Workshop" followed by the copyright date of the original Epic sculpt.
Mike Biasi was sculpting the Trygon (shown in one of the posts above) for Armorcast, but it never progressed beyond that sculpt.
Forge World (USA)
Tyranid Dactylis
Epicast made no Tryanid models.
OK, now that we have that cleared up... As Kroot said the Tervigon and Tyrannofex are re-imaginings of the Malefactor and Exocrine and the Biovore is a scaled down, one shot, Dactylis. In Epic, the Exocrine, Haruspex, Malefactor and Dactylis were standard sized vehicles, while the Trygon was a superheavy. These models still exist in the universe as shown by the WD Tryanid DIY build rules, their mention in the Apoc rulebook and their appearance in the card game.
Now that GW has made the re-imagined versions of the Armorcast and Forge World USA models considerably smaller than the resin models, the larger resin models can easily be re-imagined as superheavies for Apocalypse with stats similar to the Heirodule (although the resin kits are about twice the weight of the FW Heirodule).
There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
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timd wrote:There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
I wouldn't mind a beefed up Trygon at all. It'll be like the one that gave the Tau (I think) a run for their money.
timd wrote:There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
I wouldn't mind a beefed up Trygon at all. It'll be like the one that gave the Tau (I think) a run for their money.
I think you're thinking of the one that destroyed a titan legion. They do exist in the fluff, they were introduced in the 40kCCG. They're called Viragons.
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Screaming Echo wrote:]Models that are safe to buy are:
You missed Gargoyles (new 5th edition plastic kit) and Biovores (they're a new 5th edition model, the only thing that will change is going to finecast)
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Anonymous source wrote:There ware also a few Nids ready to go, the Tervigon/Tyranofex dual kit and a flyer that I wasn't familiar with, looked about lictor sized but more resembled a winged zoanthrope.
Confirms the usual suspects - but the other beasty sounds like the Parasite of Mortex to me, not the Harpy.
-Loki- wrote:You missed Gargoyles (new 5th edition plastic kit) and Biovores (they're a new 5th edition model, the only thing that will change is going to finecast)
The current Biovores are metal figures from 4th edition. As it's the only non-character tyranid model that didn't transition from metal to finecast, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new version somewhere in the future.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Harry wrote:This guy has only said what he has seen .... He might not have heard everything there is.
I defo heard harpy/harpies?
However it is possible what he has seen was a harpy but didn't look like it. Or it is possible the guy I heard from had seen this and thought it was a harpy? (Either guy might not know anymore about harpies than I do. )
Also heard about a Hive tyrant this birdy didn't mention that either.
-Loki- wrote:I forgot the Biovore was 4th edition.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Could maybe be a Tyranid Prime, but that's very unlikely. Though I'd like to see how it'd look having it's own model. Or it could be Old One Eye! ... yeah right.
I really hope they release the Parasite. I mean, what's not to love about a flying beastie that injects Ripper Swarms directly into it's victims. Not only that, but it's a Synapse Creature that double normal Synapse range(24") for Ripper Swarms. I hope that someone at GW thought he was unique enough to deserve his own sculpt.
-Loki- wrote:I forgot the Biovore was 4th edition.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Could maybe be a Tyranid Prime, but that's very unlikely. Though I'd like to see how it'd look having it's own model. Or it could be Old One Eye! ... yeah right.
I don't see why they'd ever make a Tyranid Prime when under the Tyranid Warriors box it lists the Tyranid Prime as one of the models you can make with the box.
Primes are easy to get, either the warriors box as mentioned before, or I have used a 2nd ed Hive tyrant as one and a Venomthrope body on Lictor legs as my second. 2 seconds work to get the right weapons on and I'm golden!
It shouldn't matter how easy of a conversion it is to make a Prime. You shouldn't need to buy a box of warriors for a single model. GW should in all honesty make a Prime kit. Doom of Malan'tai will most likely get a model and look how easy it is to make one of those, and everyone will only buy one of those unlike a prime model which will most likely sell 2 per Tyranid player.
At this point I just want to wee what GW puts out considering the Hive Tyrant is STILL not available on the American site and not haveing the only HQ model that has ever really been available from GW not be available cannot be good buisness practice. In saying that and looking at the recent trends in both fantasy and 40k Tyranids are really the only army that has such an empty HQ, if we do get a "2'nd wave" release I think that it is going to be all HQ and no new units just sculpts of HQ units and maybe that duel kit for the tervigon/tyrannofex. So this is all speculation but I could honestly see the Parasite, Tervigon/tyrannofex, Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord, and maybe a Tyranid Prime. I very much doubt we wioll see a big nasty transport before our new codex or before the new edition and even then we will be lucky to see it with a white dwarf supplement. this is all just in my opinion.
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Just as the Eldar inexplicably got a new plastic Fire Prism and a bonus Night Spinner +WD rules, the rumor here is a Tervigon and a bonus Tyranid Transportofex + WD rules.
strickmonkey wrote:The tervigon model is exactly how I pictured it in my mind.
The tyrannofex....not so much. I predict some grade school humor with the "pose"
The tyrant "looks" bigger and badder. I like it a lot...and some cool conversion options too.
Doom and parasite are cool models, but have some deviation from the codex. I get why, but not sure I'm happy.
And in my opinion the harpy missed some opportunity to shine. Could have been a showcase model, but somehow feels off to me.
Now the other stuff, well, a hit and a miss if you ask me. What are they? I'm not saying anything. I know nothing.
Here's the problem, as far as I have been able to hear, only 3 kits will be coming out soon-ish. The others are anyone's guess. So of the 8 models I have seen, it sucks to know as a Nid player the wait is NOT soon over.
These are my opinions, and like noses, we all have them.
I just want friggin options to buy actual models, i spend more time modeling my nids than playing or painting them. Took me forever to finish my winged tyrant. (if i had a pic you'd see). my biggest hope is for official M-SPORES! !
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Absolutionis wrote:Just as the Eldar inexplicably got a new plastic Fire Prism and a bonus Night Spinner +WD rules, the rumor here is a Tervigon and a bonus Tyranid Transportofex + WD rules.
The Fire Prism wasn't all that inexplicable. GW would have wanted rid of the metal components in that kit during the move to resin, and took the opportunity to cut a new plastic turret. I expect the Night Spinner option was added because:
a) There was extra room on the new sprue,
b) A new unit encourages more sales.
I also expect that the Tervigon is getting an alternative kit option because so many people already converted their own over the last 2 years.
xttz wrote:
I also expect that the Tervigon is getting an alternative kit option because so many people already converted their own over the last 2 years.
That's a good point.
"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"
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Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
Or your firstborn. I hear they're trying to institute some sort of infant trade-in so they don't have to hire employees/managers anymore (once the infants come of age, of course). It is a part of their long-term fiscal plan.
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strickmonkey wrote:The tervigon model is exactly how I pictured it in my mind.
The tyrannofex....not so much. I predict some grade school humor with the "pose"
The tyrant "looks" bigger and badder. I like it a lot...and some cool conversion options too.
Doom and parasite are cool models, but have some deviation from the codex. I get why, but not sure I'm happy.
And in my opinion the harpy missed some opportunity to shine. Could have been a showcase model, but somehow feels off to me.
Now the other stuff, well, a hit and a miss if you ask me. What are they? I'm not saying anything. I know nothing.
Here's the problem, as far as I have been able to hear, only 3 kits will be coming out soon-ish. The others are anyone's guess. So of the 8 models I have seen, it sucks to know as a Nid player the wait is NOT soon over.
These are my opinions, and like noses, we all have them.
The three kits would make sense if you correlate to the Harry comments. Would GW release more than 8 new units in a month? Because Harry said SW, Nids and Necrons were next, so say three Nid kits - Tyrant (because you know it will sell and because of the supply issues for the metal one in NA), Tervigon/Transport dual kit, and a Finecast cast release (say Parasite). Throw in four Necron kits, and SWTWC, and GW has a lot of models they could sell in March.
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Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
The Trygon is 60$, so unless the Transport is a pretty large dual-kit on the scale of the Trygon I could see it being a bit cheaper that. Perhaps around 40-50. Ghost Arks are pretty large, and I could see a crawling transport around their size for 50.
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