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With that new Necron Ghost Ark and its exposed "hibernating" Necrons, it wouldn't be too surprising to see the Tyranids' Transportofex or maybe even the Tervigon along those lines. The Harridan already does the same thing when it comes to Gargoyles.

azreal13 wrote:

azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..

Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..

I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.

Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!

Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!

While it was a 3rd party model, it was simply a scaled up version of the Epic Malefactor.

There is precedent for a Tyranid transport. Note that Malefectors are mentioned in the Apocalypse book, so GW haven't written them out of the fluff.

Also remember the Trygon was an Epic unit. Which got rescaled for large games of 40k by Forgeworld. And then repurposed at the same size for 40k by the studio.

So there's also precedent for an old Epic unit making it into standard 40k.

To be fair though, the Epic Trygon didn't look anything like the Forge World Trygon.

The Epic Malefactor and Exocrine are quite deviant from the current Tyranid aesthetic and are somewhat unlikely.
They even changed the Epic/Armorcast Exocrine-idea in miscellaneous concept arts to fit the modern aesthetic more.

azreal13 wrote:

azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..

Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..

I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.

Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!

Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!

it was not third party, armorcast was GW's forge world back in the early to mid 90's


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-Loki- wrote:

azreal13 wrote:

azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..

Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..

I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.

Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!

Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!

While it was a 3rd party model, it was simply a scaled up version of the Epic Malefactor.

There is precedent for a Tyranid transport. Note that Malefectors are mentioned in the Apocalypse book, so GW haven't written them out of the fluff.

Also remember the Trygon was an Epic unit. Which got rescaled for large games of 40k by Forgeworld. And then repurposed at the same size for 40k by the studio.

So there's also precedent for an old Epic unit making it into standard 40k.

no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:

It was originally an Epic unit.

Notice I said FW rescaled it?

I'm aware of the Epicast version. I was commenting on the precedent of a huge unit like those being rescaled for regular 40k.

-Loki- wrote:It was originally an Epic unit.

Notice I said FW rescaled it?

I'm aware of the Epicast version. I was commenting on the precedent of a huge unit like those being rescaled for regular 40k.

no you said FW rescaled it, hence why i quoted you and also so others didn't forget about the epicast one

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

-Loki- wrote:
Notice I said FW rescaled it?

no you said FW rescaled it

Wait? So what are you two argueing about ?

Yeah, I'm trying to see what he's getting at. While the Epicast model exists, I don't see the relevance to my post.

The precedent comes from FW rescaling the Trygon, GW appropriating that model and making a plastic, making the Trygon make the transition from Epic to large scale 40k to regular 40k. Precedent for another old Epic beast to do the same, though skipping the Forgeworld step now that GW likes making large plastic kits.

The Epicast version is a (licensed) 3rd party upscale of the Epic model which was abandoned when they lost the license.

I've gotta say that I'm glad they moved away from the monster space slug style of Tyranids.

Absolutionis wrote:To be fair though, the Epic Trygon didn't look anything like the Forge World Trygon.

The Epic Malefactor and Exocrine are quite deviant from the current Tyranid aesthetic and are somewhat unlikely.
They even changed the Epic/Armorcast Exocrine-idea in miscellaneous concept arts to fit the modern aesthetic more.

Spoiler:

Now that is something I'd be proud to have in my army. Wether it be a Tyrannofex or Exocrine (no they're not the same thing).

I also like what this person did with this conversion of the Dactylis. Wish I had conversion skill like that.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I've gotta say that I'm glad they moved away from the monster space slug style of Tyranids.

I thoroughly agree. Tyranids today look very nice. I don't think I would have played them when they were in their 2nd Edition forms. Just too weird and colorful, and the warriors were butt-ugly lol.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:...the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:

tetrisphreak wrote:Edit - is it just me or does every MC in the Tyranid Codex deserve the chance for the Armored Shell upgrade?

The Carnifex should be coming with it already at it's current points cost. Either that or T8 at least.

azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..

Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..

I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.

I have a sneaking suspicion that 'Cerebore' will turn out to be a burrowing, deep-striking Tervigon variant that spawns various gribblies as it emerges. Here's hoping the rumoured 6th Edition reserves/deep-strike rules come to fruition or that would be as useless as Trygon tunnels are now.

xttz wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Edit - is it just me or does every MC in the Tyranid Codex deserve the chance for the Armored Shell upgrade?

The Carnifex should be coming with it already at it's current points cost. Either that or T8 at least.

azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..

Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..

I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.

I have a sneaking suspicion that 'Cerebore' will turn out to be a burrowing, deep-striking Tervigon variant that spawns various gribblies as it emerges. Here's hoping the rumoured 6th Edition reserves/deep-strike rules come to fruition or that would be as useless as Trygon tunnels are now.

You know I'm hoping thats not the case. I don't want another creature birthing little gaunts. I want to get my Warriors where they're supposed to be without every Str8+ weapon insta-killing them to the point of uselessness, and they better be able to transport ICs...

I must be the only Tyranid player that absolutely hates Termagants and Hormagaunt (especially how they're sculpted and keep falling over all the damn time). I really want an option to take the more beefier units without being force fed the little guys. That's why I'm desperately hoping that 6th edition will make Warriors a very good option to take so I can make a Warrior based army, with Shrikes and Genestealers here and there. If only...

Genestealer shock lists are actually one of the more compeitive lists you can run. Nothing is forcing you to take Termagants or Hormagaunts.

Concerning the Cerebore (if it is what we are getting), I'm wondering how it will work if it's a burrowing transport. We already have a deep striking transport - the mycetic spore. And allowing it to re-deepstrike isn't very helpful when it might only show up twice a game if you're lucky.

-Loki- wrote:Genestealer shock lists are actually one of the more compeitive lists you can run. Nothing is forcing you to take Termagants or Hormagaunts.

Concerning the Cerebore (if it is what we are getting), I'm wondering how it will work if it's a burrowing transport. We already have a deep striking transport - the mycetic spore. And allowing it to re-deepstrike isn't very helpful when it might only show up twice a game if you're lucky.

The Tervigon is forcing me to get Termagants. You could argue that I could just not spawn them but that's gimping the unit very much. If only they weren't so important...

Just to make it clear: Epicast, Armorcast and Forge World USA were all third party, who had an official GW licence to upscale Epic models to 40k scale (and some other models) with official 40k rules included. So they are third party official 40k models. Full story here:
http://www.epicast.com/index.php?mode=page&page=lostandbanned

And obviously, Tervigon and Tyrannofex are an homage to the old Malefactor and Exocrine, as there are many retro elements in the Codex (spine rifle, strangleweb, Mycetic Spore, Warriors with boneswords, Mawloc homage to Red terror)

Why they couldn't give the Tyrannofex, Venonthrope and Pyrovore more vaguely scientific sounding names is beyond me. If the Tyrannofex had been called the Exocrine, it would have been better.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:
(Chunky space slug)

Sorry, but that thing looks really bad...

I think you may be the only person on the planet that likes that awful space slug piece. The GW trygon is one of the nicest models in the entire range.

Now let's try to get back on track with rumors.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:
(Chunky space slug)

Sorry, but that thing looks really bad...

serious actually, but back on topic i wonder if Ymgal stealers will get something? in all honesty i hate having to run regular stealers as Ymgal ones

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
serious actually, but back on topic i wonder if Ymgal stealers will get something? in all honesty i hate having to run regular stealers as Ymgal ones

? Each Stealer box comes with 2 (or more?) tentacle heads and armour plates. With 2-3 boxes of Stealers, you can make a unit of Ymgarls.

In regard to them getting a new model, word on the street is that there will be 1 Finecast Ymgarl.

puma713 wrote:
In regard to them getting a new model, word on the street is that there will be 1 Finecast Ymgarl.

Was a bogus Ghost21 rumor.

Uhhhmmm?

Nid lovers, this real?? : (

Absolutionis wrote:With that new Necron Ghost Ark and its exposed "hibernating" Necrons, it wouldn't be too surprising to see the Tyranids' Transportofex or maybe even the Tervigon along those lines. The Harridan already does the same thing when it comes to Gargoyles.

You know that is exactly what the Tervigon is right?

so to prefice my post
1. i am brand new to warhammer
2. i am not unintellegent
3. i am very anxious to build an army

A long time ago a friend tried to get me into playing warhammer and i was semi interested as i am a huge dork and wish i had the patience to play such games or even roll some dice. at the time i was too young and didnt want to have to read a book. Now its 5 years later and my friend is rebuilding his tables and a new orc army. so he came to me agian and asked me if i'd be interested in playing with him. I said sure and began to look at army's soley on looks and went to GW store near me and looked at what they had to offer. As i am a huge fan of the Alien's movies and like the idea behind a hive mind i decided that the nids were a good fit. i began looking into the armies and looking at the hobby in general and began to get really interested. then i found this thread and others about a new wave of models comin out for the nid army....... this made me angry. there is no way i was going to get a new army for a game i would have to take the time to learn from the ground up and then turn around and find out they updated and replaced models and made newer better models to the ones i just shelled out a fair amount of money for (since i am new thats paint, suplies, etc..)

So my question is
Which models currently out are safe to buy and probably will not have a deminished role in any newer upgrades to the army or its codex?
and If the answer is up in the air and may not be certain is it worth holding out for a while to see before starting to amass my horde of nids or should i pick a dif. army to start with do prevent me losing interest in the game all together?

Rakarth2081 wrote:so to prefice my post
1. i am brand new to warhammer
2. i am not unintellegent
3. i am very anxious to build an army

A long time ago a friend tried to get me into playing warhammer and i was semi interested as i am a huge dork and wish i had the patience to play such games or even roll some dice. at the time i was too young and didnt want to have to read a book. Now its 5 years later and my friend is rebuilding his tables and a new orc army. so he came to me agian and asked me if i'd be interested in playing with him. I said sure and began to look at army's soley on looks and went to GW store near me and looked at what they had to offer. As i am a huge fan of the Alien's movies and like the idea behind a hive mind i decided that the nids were a good fit. i began looking into the armies and looking at the hobby in general and began to get really interested. then i found this thread and others about a new wave of models comin out for the nid army....... this made me angry. there is no way i was going to get a new army for a game i would have to take the time to learn from the ground up and then turn around and find out they updated and replaced models and made newer better models to the ones i just shelled out a fair amount of money for (since i am new thats paint, suplies, etc..)

So my question is
Which models currently out are safe to buy and probably will not have a deminished role in any newer upgrades to the army or its codex?
and If the answer is up in the air and may not be certain is it worth holding out for a while to see before starting to amass my horde of nids or should i pick a dif. army to start with do prevent me losing interest in the game all together?

Models that are safe to buy are:

Hive Guard
Zoanthropes
Warriors
Hormagaunts
Termagants
Tyrant Guard
Lictors
Venomthropes
Pyrovores
Carnifex
Trygon/Mawloc
Genestealers
Raveners

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

I appreciate that.

I am eager to see any and all advancements GW or WD anounce for the Nids

Rakarth2081 wrote:I appreciate that.

I am eager to see any and all advancements GW or WD anounce for the Nids

I agree with screaming echo, however PM me if you want some discount sites for all armies

Pyrovores are safe to buy? No, just no lol. Best units are probably trygons, hive guard and genestealers are the safest to buy.

Cryage wrote:Pyrovores are safe to buy? No, just no lol. Best units are probably trygons, hive guard and genestealers are the safest to buy.

Safest meaning they won't change models anytime soon, silly.