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Luthor escaping is the new bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the tabletop (just)before the Lion.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Luthor escaping is the new bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the tabletop (just)before the Lion.

That isn't new. That happened during all the wolfing about with the thousand sons, last year (or the year before?)

Voss wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Luthor escaping is the new bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the tabletop (just)before the Lion.

That isn't new. That happened during all the wolfing about with the thousand sons, last year (or the year before?)

Do we need to split hairs?
In terms of the entirety of 40k lore, Luthor escaping is certainly new enough.

Voss wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Luthor escaping is the new bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the tabletop (just)before the Lion.

That isn't new. That happened during all the wolfing about with the thousand sons, last year (or the year before?)

If this is not new, then it's the first I have herd/read of it. None of this was mentioned that I recall when that book was released. Not everyone fallows everything GW puts out and know exactly everything that is going on.

So I believe it would be fair to say, yes it's new enough. While not brand spanking new, I consider it new for a lot of people who don't follow GW at every instance.

So… next space wolves?

 NAVARRO wrote:
So… next space wolves?

Codex? No. As per Warhammer Community Announcement, Chaos Daemons is next.

And probably a xenos or two after that, then wolves would be my guess.

Off topic, but my bet is Tau and Necrons after demons because they didn't get points changes in Chapter Approved.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So… next space wolves?

As far as loyalist marine books go? Yeah either the Wolves or the Deathwatch. After that who knows. Its probably a safe bet that the Primaris range will be extended. But that could be via campaign books, a stand alone codex, or another version of the already massive SM Codex.

Voss wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Luthor escaping is the new bit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the tabletop (just)before the Lion.

That isn't new. That happened during all the wolfing about with the thousand sons, last year (or the year before?)

To be honest the Changeling tried to reach Luther cell but he was stopped before by the watchers in the dark then defeated by Azrael and flew away without gettin Luther free
So the escape of Luther happened after the Wrath of Magnus events

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Speaking as an outsider looking in, the Dark Angels codex does seem fairly underwhelming; especially compared to the Blood Angels one which made me think "wow, that's so cool!" basically every other page, nothing in the Dark Angels toolbox excites me and makes me want to put together a Dark Angels army. Maybe people more familiar with the army see things that I don't, but while I think it's possible for the Dark Angels plasma spam to be effective I don't think it's terribly interesting.

Which is interesting, so far I've had the exact opposite reaction. I haven't seen anything in the BA codex that wowed me. Possibly this is due to coming from a csm army which still seems to have better assault tools overall, unless I missed something major. Only the CT was particularly impressive to me.

On the other hand, I've also seen how often a big unit maximizing stratagem efficiency can be amazing, and being able to mitigate one of the major downsides of it for free is useful. I also see they are getting more force multipliers, some that also put out solid damage, something I've found very useful so far. And even better access to invulnerable saves in this plasma heavy edition. Plus lots of the aforementioned plasma and ways to improve it.

Dunno, generally DA just looks like it has a great well rounded tool box to me, BA looked overly focused on one area that many other more versatile armies can still match/beat them in. But I could easily end up being wrong, I haven't seen the point sheet of either yet for one.

Judging the battle report I watched the other day, the eye of the unseen on a Ravenwing champion was a character assassin when combined with Sammael.

I think there are some things that don’t look amazing but on the right model surrounded by the right model surrounded by the right models they are very powerful. This will be a synergy codex.

I think it is also a brute force codex. You could solve a lot of problems simply by spamming plasma and running the plasma damage strategem.

SilverAlien 743764 9738020 nulln wrote:

I haven't seen anything in the BA codex that wowed me. Possibly this is due to coming from a csm army which still seems to have better assault tools overall, unless I missed something major. Only the CT was particularly impressive to me.

Not to derail the thread but!!!! Are you joking? Lemartes, Decent of angels, upon wings of fire, wings of sanguinius, The Angels' wing, Hammer of baal, standard of sacrifice, red rampage, the quickening, unleash rage, Death Visions of sanguinius, Forlorn fury, the red thirst, Sanguinary guard down 9 points a model, libby dreads down 20 points.....like what codex are you reading that it doesn't have better assault tools than chaos. In my personal opinion, I'd go so far as to say it will be one of, if not the premiere assault codex in the game right now.

ALl of those things still don't match the chaos stratagems, berserkers, magnus or mortarion. Sure BA can reach the opponent easier but chaos actually kills people with theirs.

Listening every ability in the book doesn't matter much because Chaos has abilities too ya know :p

clearly there is nothing in BA Book like magnus or mortarion, there is only 3 units like them in the game...

As far as the other stuff, I guess i am just confused, and I have no idea what your talking about because if your seriously claiming DC, Sang guard, and VV can't kill things in CC I can't take you seriously. If you'd like to have a serious discussion about the differences and strengths and weaknesses, i suggest we move it over to the BA tactics thread rather than the DA rumors thread.

First Frontline Gaming review http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/12/10/dark-angels-codex-review-part-1-stratagems-warlord-traits-relics-and-psychic-powers/

Just remember before going googoo for new speeders rules, none of them can claim objectives. So as with anything and new releases, moderation and actual playing the rules will help.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Just remember before going googoo for new speeders rules, none of them can claim objectives. So as with anything and new releases, moderation and actual playing the rules will help.

what makes you think that? If your talking about the boots on the ground rule, only battlefield role (unit type) flyers, cant claim objectives, not just all things that can fly.

Regarding the Brilliant Strategist warlord trait, does anyone else read it as any model can use the free reroll? It doesn't specify that the reroll is for the warlord only?

I wonder if that's intentional or an oversight

 axisofentropy wrote:
First Frontline Gaming review http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/12/10/dark-angels-codex-review-part-1-stratagems-warlord-traits-relics-and-psychic-powers/

This was very helpful. I think some of those strats, traits, relics, and spells when used with synergy will be extremely powerful. The only problem is generating CP. Thankfully, the WL Trait gives you (theoretically) 33% more CP.

Any more news or screenshots about how they're incorporating primaris? I read here that they haven't inducted any into the inner circle and treat them as fodder but I don't know if there is more to it or whether it's just a single throwaway line of text.

 anticitizen013 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
First Frontline Gaming review http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/12/10/dark-angels-codex-review-part-1-stratagems-warlord-traits-relics-and-psychic-powers/

This was very helpful. I think some of those strats, traits, relics, and spells when used with synergy will be extremely powerful. The only problem is generating CP. Thankfully, the WL Trait gives you (theoretically) 33% more CP.

The trait is IMO the best one in the codex. You get a lot more mileage out of it with 1 CP stratagems as it's a 1-to-1 refund on a 5+ , the built in 'free command reroll' also offered by the trait just sweetens the deal.


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 warboss wrote:
Any more news or screenshots about how they're incorporating primaris? I read here that they haven't inducted any into the inner circle and treat them as fodder but I don't know if there is more to it or whether it's just a single throwaway line of text.

Pretty much fluff only. Azrael had no choice when confronted by Gulliman with the Primaris reinforcements knowing that Gulliman possibly suspects 'something' They are very much kept at arms length from the secrets of the chapter and are only told what other standard battle brothers are told.

Deathwing Assault should have been

CP 1/3

Deep strike terminators into heart of enemy formation. May be deployed just outside of 6" of enemy units instead of 9". 1 CP for 1 unit, 3 CPs for 2 units. May only be used once per battle.

Hmmm...1 CP to have a unit of 10 Knights get a >70% chance of a T1 charge - better still with a reroll? That seems maybe a little imbalanced. I'm as disappointed as anyone that Deathwing Assault isn't actually beneficial to assaulting, but that'd probably break things a bit.

MilkmanAl wrote:
Hmmm...1 CP to have a unit of 10 Knights get a >70% chance of a T1 charge better still with a reroll? That seems maybe a little imbalanced.

not really. It's one unit, no more unbalanced than some other strategems out there that can't be stopped unless you screen well. Same here.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Any more news or screenshots about how they're incorporating primaris? I read here that they haven't inducted any into the inner circle and treat them as fodder but I don't know if there is more to it or whether it's just a single throwaway line of text.

Pretty much fluff only. Azrael had no choice when confronted by Gulliman with the Primaris reinforcements knowing that Gulliman possibly suspects 'something' They are very much kept at arms length from the secrets of the chapter and are only told what other standard battle brothers are told.

Thanks. I'd personally think that something as monumentus as adding in such different marines (some of whom were recruited back just after the betrayal of the Fallen) into a such a secretive chapter would warrant at least a large side panel's worth of discussion or preferably a full page IMO.

I know there are 3 videos in the topic. Do any of them list what the table of contents has? Just wondering what new toys the DA are getting. Gotta plan the budget.

Hunters, Stalkers, Stormraven, Land Speeder Storm, and Scout Bikers are in for sure, along with all the Primaris guys. I "think" I saw the Stormtalon in one of the videos too but I'm not 100% sure. The Ravenwing lieutenant on Sammael's old speeder is in along with Cataphracti and Tartarus Terminators and I think that was it. No Centurions, Thunderfires, Sternguard, or Vanguard but other than that I think we now have more units to choose from than Vanilla Marines.

No Stormtalon (or Stormhawk).


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 jason1977 wrote:
I know there are 3 videos in the topic. Do any of them list what the table of contents has? Just wondering what new toys the DA are getting. Gotta plan the budget.

The miniwargaming is probably the best video. Read this too https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/12/10/dark-angels-codex-review-part-1-stratagems-warlord-traits-relics-and-psychic-powers/