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Don’t entirely regret it, as it had some fun parts, but it also further solidified that Star Wars just isn’t for me anymore. Also made me cancel Disney+ again.
Some thoughts in no particular order:
Spoiler:
The Gamoreans continued to be laughably worthless. I hoped for a better showing from the offspring of Kermit and Miss Piggy.
How is the scooter girl so pale on a desert planet!?
The shields on the robots were a bit silly OP. Why not just send them in first?
Speaking of OP, I guess all the Pykes that could shoot died on the train heist. Those dudes were hitting mostly half exposed, seemingly long distance targets while moving at high speeds. The guys in the city gunfight not so much.
The Rancor parts were cool. Genuinely surprised that this show showed it swallowing a Pyke alive.
I’m not familiar with the dudes body of work, but I wonder how weak and scattershot this series proved to be was a result that maybe the Boba Fett actor just doesn’t seem to be able to have the acting chops/skillset/magic to carry the series. Pedro carried 2 seasons of Mando with tone and body language alone, aside from the 2(?) helmetless scenes.
Wow! They actually killed “censored for cable TV Sheriff Seth Bullock”! Oh, nvm. Guess he really didn’t need that armor if he lived. Good thing the blue tube dude didn’t light him up like he did his deputy. Also, how the feth did a Gamorean’s fat ass fit in that tank? Didn’t Boba offer it after the Wookie beat his piglet ass in a previous episode or am I remembering it wrong?
Fennec going into “Leon: The Professional” mode on the bosses at the end was cool, though the amount of angles she could cover seemed a bit over the top.
Kind of ambivalent about Grogu coming back. On one hand, the cute memes continue! On the other hand, it feels like its going to be more of the same and kind of cheapens the overall arc of Mando trying to search for a home for him. Creatively, it seemed like the easy, almost cowardly choice.
I said it previously I think, but it seems like a mistake to have such a tiny ship for Mando and Grogu. Boba should’ve given him Slave 1 like I was hoping.
I have an employee who is half my age and seems to love this show unabashedly, so I’m sure I’ll grow to hate this show more by the end of the week after debating with him and theorizing how much better it could’ve been.
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nels1031 wrote:The shields on the robots were a bit silly OP. Why not just send them in first?
Why send them in at all? Almost every shot they fired missed, and those that did connect didn't do anything.
The Intergalactic Banking Clan or whomever made those defective droids must be laughing all the way to... well... themselves.
"We've had these things in storage since the Clone Wars!"
"And someone bought them?"
"Pikes saw the big feth-off cannons and thought they must be very dangerous."
"They can't hit the broadside of a bantha!"
"I know!"
An underwhelming ending to a mediocre show. This really demonstrates how badly Disney has bungled with the SW IP and that Mando really does stand out as an exception to the rule when it comes to having a show where it does a good job exploring the different aspects of SW.
Also, I was hoping they wouldn't waste Cad Bane and they did, what a joke of a final fight that was, not to mention how the Pykes were effectively useless.
I'm hoping the ending of Book of Boba implies this is the end of the show for him, because he really does come off as a very bargain bin Din Djarin and it would seem redundant to follow him around as a bounty hunter when Mando already does that quite well.
Yeah when all is said and done this series was pretty underwhelming. I liked The Mandalorian quite a bit, that series still had its low points but I can look back on it fondly.
There was some weirdness in this series, like those punkish kids riding space vespas with cyberpunk 2077 implants. A lot of the influences here are pretty on the nose, whether it's the rancor climbing the empire state building, star wars showing no shame at all in continuing to reference Dune, amongst a multitude of other things.
I do think the incredible plot armour for Disney heroes was established in the Mandalorian series where what seems to be 2 companies of stormtroopers get dealt with by 4 guys. I mean at this point the galaxy should worry if the heroes want to rule it, because if the empire could win with those soldiers everyone has no chance against someone competent. The total lack of peril is just burying these series for me, before we even get to the problems in this show.
Boba and Din were getting hit, but only on their armour.
There is so much of them that isn't covered, surely something should have got through. So, even though they did get shot, they did not get injured.
Fun, entertaining, grotesque. Could have been better, could have been worse.
nels1031 wrote: How is the scooter girl so pale on a desert planet!?
She's a bum. Without a job she doesn't have to stand in the sun all day.
nels1031 wrote: I’m not familiar with the dudes body of work, but I wonder how weak and scattershot this series proved to be was a result that maybe the Boba Fett actor just doesn’t seem to be able to have the acting chops/skillset/magic to carry the series. Pedro carried 2 seasons of Mando with tone and body language alone, aside from the 2(?) helmetless scenes.
Actors aren't my go-to when something like this comes up, but I can't help but notice that Robert Rodriguez gets credited a lot as producer and director. I uniformly like the movies of his I've seen, but I tend to associate them with pulpy action way more than sensible plot. I'm inclined to look there for the reason why Book of Boba is kind of dodgy.
The_Real_Chris wrote: I do think the incredible plot armour for Disney heroes was established in the Mandalorian series where what seems to be 2 companies of stormtroopers get dealt with by 4 guys. I mean at this point the galaxy should worry if the heroes want to rule it, because if the empire could win with those soldiers everyone has no chance against someone competent. The total lack of peril is just burying these series for me, before we even get to the problems in this show.
When has that not been a problem with Star Wars? I mean, Stormtrooper reputation/memes exist for a reason. Mandalorian has kind of amped that up, but it's been an issue with Star Wars for decades. I'm convinced at this point the specific type of plot armor employed in Star Wars is seen as a feature at Lucasfilm and they're mortally afraid of moving away from it even in the slightest for fear of making something that looks so disjointed from existing Star Wars media that it's going to get trashed as not belonging.
Even Rogue One that I believe was touted as a war movie in space, which generally implies soldiers on both sides are competent and die in larger numbers, has moments when the plot requires the pinpoint accuracy of Death Troopers to fail spectacularly without even a pretense of an explanation.
Book of Boba certainly strives to epitomize this, but to pick out one example the villager contribution in the finale was entirely foreseeable. The villagers cannot suffer anything but token losses because they were brought into the fight by Din (designated good guy who's good at what he's doing), who knew full well he was sending hapless villagers to battle against large numbers of competent (by reputation, see also Obi-Wan's opinion on Stormtroopers) underworld enforcers. If the villagers actually have to pay a price for their involvement, it doesn't just undermine their moral right to victory as the designated good guys, but reflects badly on Din's competence and moral standing. As a consequence his plot armor has to extend to the villagers.
That's Star Wars as it's ever been. A legion of Palpi's best troops (so he claims), and how many Ewoks die? One? Two? Yeah.
Not that I approve of it, mind, but I have no idea how anyone could enjoy Star Wars for the last forty years without the ability to at least partially ignore this feature.
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I can nitpick this all over the place, but... meh.... it was fun and stupid, and totally feels like it was supposed to be a film script that got broken into a series after Solo. This finale after maybe an hour of scenes from the first four episodes minus some of the Din specific stuff would have made for a decent "Star Wars Story" level film. So yeah, it was dumb, and pandering and easy to pick apart, but it wasn't boring by any means.
Now, to actually nitpick a bit:
- The two guys with Jetpacks and pistols dealing with entrenched snipers by standing in the open and getting pummeled was kind of hilarious. Like that is EXACTLY what that kind of kit is useful for.
- Din getting all the emotional payoff was kind of a cheat.
- I think the most obvious sign this was stretched into a series is the "reveal" that the Pykes were responsible for killing Boba's Tusken family. We get a scene where its revealed to Cad then another scene staged like a surprise when Cad reveals it to Boba. Like, both those kind of scenes are usually scripted and shot so they're available in editing but using both is kind of hilarious. Also, Boba should have already known this and been blocking the spice to drag the Pykes into a war where he could get his revenge. Feels pretty obvious that was at one point part of the script given all the spare parts.
LunarSol wrote: - The two guys with Jetpacks and pistols dealing with entrenched snipers by standing in the open and getting pummeled was kind of hilarious. Like that is EXACTLY what that kind of kit is useful for
Exactly what we though. Why pop away at people on the ground while hovering, then land to get those on the roofs? Odd.
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Boba: None of that worked. None of it.
Fennec: Remember how I told you so? Every. Single. Time?
Boba: Nah, I think we're just not cut out for this.
Fennec: You.
Boba: We.
LunarSol wrote: - The two guys with Jetpacks and pistols dealing with entrenched snipers by standing in the open and getting pummeled was kind of hilarious. Like that is EXACTLY what that kind of kit is useful for
Exactly what we though. Why pop away at people on the ground while hovering, then land to get those on the roofs? Odd.
It's a problem with the good guys' amazing plot armor. They don't get hurt. They don't run out of ammo. They don't run out of time. They can literally stand in the middle of the road, facetank everything and win by attrition.
It's a lost opportunity to make something out of the battle. The Pykes have numbers and superior position. Boba and Din have jetpacks. The biker gang has vespas. The hillbillies come in their own truck. The writers could have let them use superior mobility to stay ahead of their enemies and given the loss of the speeders and thus mobility more weight.
But why go to all that trouble if you can stand in the middle of the road and facetank everything?
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LunarSol wrote: I've definitely not loved the depiction of Beskar in general. The premise is fine, but they keep going full Superman with it.
Yeah, and it also contradicts with how easily the Mandalorians end up dying to blaster fire in the Clone Wars series, since even if you say that Beskar was only reserved for the elites/nobles, it's bizarre how it basically never comes into play at all when it's never used to effect by the Deathwatch. It's used too much to avoid damage from things that aren't blaster related too, like sheer physical force or being thrown through walls.
Don’t entirely regret it, as it had some fun parts, but it also further solidified that Star Wars just isn’t for me anymore. Also made me cancel Disney+ again.
Some thoughts in no particular order:
Spoiler:
The Gamoreans continued to be laughably worthless. I hoped for a better showing from the offspring of Kermit and Miss Piggy.
How is the scooter girl so pale on a desert planet!?
The shields on the robots were a bit silly OP. Why not just send them in first?
Speaking of OP, I guess all the Pykes that could shoot died on the train heist. Those dudes were hitting mostly half exposed, seemingly long distance targets while moving at high speeds. The guys in the city gunfight not so much.
The Rancor parts were cool. Genuinely surprised that this show showed it swallowing a Pyke alive.
I’m not familiar with the dudes body of work, but I wonder how weak and scattershot this series proved to be was a result that maybe the Boba Fett actor just doesn’t seem to be able to have the acting chops/skillset/magic to carry the series. Pedro carried 2 seasons of Mando with tone and body language alone, aside from the 2(?) helmetless scenes.
Wow! They actually killed “censored for cable TV Sheriff Seth Bullock”! Oh, nvm. Guess he really didn’t need that armor if he lived. Good thing the blue tube dude didn’t light him up like he did his deputy. Also, how the feth did a Gamorean’s fat ass fit in that tank? Didn’t Boba offer it after the Wookie beat his piglet ass in a previous episode or am I remembering it wrong?
Fennec going into “Leon: The Professional” mode on the bosses at the end was cool, though the amount of angles she could cover seemed a bit over the top.
Kind of ambivalent about Grogu coming back. On one hand, the cute memes continue! On the other hand, it feels like its going to be more of the same and kind of cheapens the overall arc of Mando trying to search for a home for him. Creatively, it seemed like the easy, almost cowardly choice.
I said it previously I think, but it seems like a mistake to have such a tiny ship for Mando and Grogu. Boba should’ve given him Slave 1 like I was hoping.
I have an employee who is half my age and seems to love this show unabashedly, so I’m sure I’ll grow to hate this show more by the end of the week after debating with him and theorizing how much better it could’ve been.
on the "why not lead with the droids?" question, i can point to a few answers in the episode:
1) they didnt want to bring them in until thier local allies/disposable muscle had already got stuck it and pinned/neutralised bobas forces, so they had to lead with the faster moving footsloggers to spread out and cover the city until the bots catch up.
2) dinn and boda, when discussing thier options as the pyke stack up outside (just before the "i surrender" distraction), mention that they should launch a spoiler attack before the pyke are ready rather than let them get everything in place before attacking at leisure. they then do just that, launch a spoiler attack that buys them a little time to regroup, and forces the pyke to disengage until the bots are in position.
3) the Pyke, while willing to accept collateral damage, were at least trying to limit it if they could, as they both wanted to appease thier local allies, and the greater population, so they wouldn't have too many problems in the city going forward. Its only as their initial plan with infantry and infiltration failed that they brought out the heavy firepower.
and additional pure speculation, the pykes might have originally brought them along to crack into jabbas old fort (ie bobas known base of operations) and it was only once they realised he was in the city did they re-deploy them to attack thier. its possible they might also have held them back as AA cover if he decided to start flying around in the slave I and start dropping bombs on them.
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and additional pure speculation, the pykes might have originally brought them along to crack into jabbas old fort (ie bobas known base of operations) and it was only once they realised he was in the city did they re-deploy them to attack thier. its possible they might also have held them back as AA cover if he decided to start flying around in the slave I and start dropping bombs on them.
Well, neither of those would work, since the concrete(?) half-wall of an outdoor restaurant/stable (whatever the civvies were hiding behind) was more than sufficient to repel firepower of that magnitude.
No way in hell could those two bots have cracked a fortress or a ship.
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Overall impression of the finale: thoroughly meh. It started off terrible but managed to raise itself up to being vaguely watchable towards the end.
The opening with the spoken exposition like a TV show from 1992 was so bad, made even worse by the extreme obviousness of the lookouts and the bizarre idea that everything was perfectly planned because now their flanks were covered. Sadly, they were covered by the entirety of your forces, leaving nothing to actually cover for. Even if the Freetownies had shown up on time the entire crew fits in one moderately sized speeder so I'm not sure what the plan was exactly? Plot armour your way to victory?
The shootout was fine, with some neat moments. The droids were dumb as all hell though, especially in the scenes where they were chasing Fett's crew down the street and failing to hit them in the open at a range of about 20 feet. Grogu coming back was honestly kind of annoying for me. Yes, I get that he's cute and all, but I feel like after 2 seasons of Mando we've kind of done that now and maybe we should move on a bit. Rancor was cool, I guess but even that seemed like it was unearned after one scene 4 episodes ago explaining its existence. The assassinations towards the end felt off too, as did Fennec's lack of involvement in the firefight.
I'd echo a previous poster about Cad Bane's involvement. It's cool for people who know who he is and his relationship with Boba but for anyone else he's just this random scary blue dude who seems to have jumped in from a spaghetti Western. He still comes across as a badass but I think they missed a big opportunity there. I think it would probably be best to leave the Book of Boba Fett at one season and call it quits, TBH. I'm not convinced the writers know what they want to do with the character and I'm increasingly convinced Temuera Morrison just ain't that good of an actor or at least isn't able to elevate the fairly average material he has to work with here.
Enjoyable enough finale. Rancor Kong was cool and it was great seeing him smash the droids. (BTW I didn't think of those as ammo feed, but as armoured cowling for the power cables). We finally get to see Boba being a bit badass, jet-packing and blasting away with all his suits weapons in the 'Butch and Sundance' moment with Mando.
Cad Bane - I only know of him because there is a Star Wars: Legion figure for him. I assume he's a Clone Wars character? He seemed cool an' all so it looked like a wrong move to kill him off.
MarkNorfolk wrote: Cad Bane - I only know of him because there is a Star Wars: Legion figure for him. I assume he's a Clone Wars character? He seemed cool an' all so it looked like a wrong move to kill him off.
Yeah, he features in various Clone Wars episodes.
On killing him, he has that blinking light and the beeping in his final scene. May well be that he's got a medivac service on standby that's being called in. He has a droid sidekick in Clone Wars for all his menial labor needs, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.
If he's actually dead dead, that may not be the worst way to go. He's pretty old during Book of Boba. Imagine if they filmed a new Western and brought in Clint Eastwood for all their badass gunslinger needs. That's Cad Bane in Book of Boba. Now they don't actually have to worry about the actor dying on them, but as they move the timeline along Bane is bound to die of old age at some point if they don't give him the old gunslinger sendoff.
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Yeah. Cad Bane is a pretty central character when it comes to the Scum & Villainy in Clone Wars. Not exactly a leader as such, but definitely a well respected member of the under world.
I can highly recommend giving Clone Wars a watch. Whilst not of equal consistency, and some of the episodes induce cringe in me, the majority is pretty awesome stuff. It really showed what can be done with Star Wars when a writer is given more than a movie’s run time to play with.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yeah. Cad Bane is a pretty central character when it comes to the Scum & Villainy in Clone Wars. Not exactly a leader as such, but definitely a well respected member of the under world.
I can highly recommend giving Clone Wars a watch. Whilst not of equal consistency, and some of the episodes induce cringe in me, the majority is pretty awesome stuff. It really showed what can be done with Star Wars when a writer is given more than a movie’s run time to play with.
I think its best enjoyed like Dr. Who. Find a list of the best story arcs/episodes and just watch those. There's a lot of episodes that are just fun little adventures of wildly varying quality that have no real impact on each other. There is no need to grind through the whole thing to get to the great parts.
I don't understand why they had to add Cad and the Pykes when they already had introduced Krrsantan and the incestuous Hutts. Their introduction basically amounted to nothing more than a rancor delivery service and a crappy fight scene. I think it would have been less wasteful and more satisfying if they had stayed the antagonists.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yeah. Cad Bane is a pretty central character when it comes to the Scum & Villainy in Clone Wars. Not exactly a leader as such, but definitely a well respected member of the under world.
I can highly recommend giving Clone Wars a watch. Whilst not of equal consistency, and some of the episodes induce cringe in me, the majority is pretty awesome stuff. It really showed what can be done with Star Wars when a writer is given more than a movie’s run time to play with.
I think its best enjoyed like Dr. Who. Find a list of the best story arcs/episodes and just watch those. There's a lot of episodes that are just fun little adventures of wildly varying quality that have no real impact on each other. There is no need to grind through the whole thing to get to the great parts.
While there are definitely episodes that are basically self-contained, it depends on what you're after. If you're interested in the panoply of characters during the Clone Wars, I'd argue it's worth putting in the work and watching the whole show once before you go back and only watch select episodes if the fancy strikes. Similarly, if you want to see the war develop, or Palpy's takeover efforts, you'll get little tidbits here and there that aren't necessarily in the big episodes or arcs.
It's also worth noting some things are interconnected. If you look at the Clone Wars as a way of fixing your dislike for movie Anakin, as an example, you won't get anywhere without Ahsoka. To get the full Ahsoka experience, you can't do without Lux Bonteri. For Lux you need Death Watch. For Death Watch you need Mandalore. All of those points branch off further. It can spiral out of control and if you go by must watch lists you may actually miss interesting parts because of whoever put the list together may be applying subjective standards for what is worth watching.
As such I'd advise giving the whole show a try first, just for the complete picture.
warboss wrote: I don't understand why they had to add Cad and the Pykes when they already had introduced Krrsantan and the incestuous Hutts. Their introduction basically amounted to nothing more than a rancor delivery service and a crappy fight scene. I think it would have been less wasteful and more satisfying if they had stayed the antagonists.
The Hutts are an easy way of misleading the audience. Jabba used to run Tatooine, so of course his cousins want to reclaim it from the usurper Boba. But twist! It was the fish 'eads all along, and conveniently we have the well established megalomaniac Hutts back down from their claim to Tatooine and establish just how much of a power the Pykes are. The way they're handled actually serves a purpose for the story.
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If the Hutts back down because they don’t want a war with the Pykes, but the Pykes only have a few dozen men plus a pair of droids, how sad must the Hutts have become?
AduroT wrote: If the Hutts back down because they don’t want a war with the Pykes, but the Pykes only have a few dozen men plus a pair of droids, how sad must the Hutts have become?
Boba wants to fight over it, the Pykes want to fight over it. Leave them to it, then step in afterwards when there's only one faction to fight.
The dozens of Pykes, two droids and Cad Bane are there to deal with the new guy who isn't very good at his job. They're not there to intimidate the Hutts. They don't need to. The Hutts and Pykes know each other well enough. If they want to threaten each other's operations, they're not going to do it by meeting up on a desert backwater for a brawl. Whereas Tatooine is the only place to find and hit Boba's operation.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yeah. Cad Bane is a pretty central character when it comes to the Scum & Villainy in Clone Wars. Not exactly a leader as such, but definitely a well respected member of the under world.
I can highly recommend giving Clone Wars a watch. Whilst not of equal consistency, and some of the episodes induce cringe in me, the majority is pretty awesome stuff. It really showed what can be done with Star Wars when a writer is given more than a movie’s run time to play with.
I'd mostly agree with you, Clone Wars DOES end up a great series....BUUUUTTTT a lot of the early stuff (series 1-3 really) is a HUGE SLOG to get through.
Not sure what happened there, but it starts out with some really awful (and I DO mean mean awful, as in Attack of the Clones awful) dialogue and plotting) and then just suddenly turns into a very well written show out of nowhere,
TBH Rebels had this problem too. Series 1 is very very kiddy friendy in its approach (decent enough, but dont expect much) series 2 was just frankly bad outside of a few episodes, but series 3 onwards is outstanding Star Wars and some of the best animated storytelling from the last 20 odd years..
Anybody whose only exposure to Ahsoka Tano is the frankly rubbish movie really should see Clone wars series 3 onwards I reckon.
Back on topic.
Was this series what I wanted from a show about Boba Fett? NO
Was it the "WORST THING EVAR!!" (in doomcock voice ) NO
Its main problem seemed to be not knowing what it wanted to be, like as if they started filming without a clear idea of what they were doing (does this seem "cough" familiar "cough, Rise of" cough cough?)
Fennic...awesome.
Cobb Vanth.. somehow in one episode even more awesome
Din..awesome.
Boba Fett...errr
Its infuriating. i want so much to love this show, and there are things I really do love, like Cad Bane's portrayal (don't care about the colour difference, he's the most menacing Star Wars villain we have seen in a LOOONG time) and the Rancor ( and yes, i liked the whole "Dances with Tuskens" thing and hoped we'd get more, handled much better than Avatar did it certainly)
Buutt.. the Mod squad was just terrible, and the idea of setting up Fett as a crime lord is cool, but unfortunately Disney do not understand what the words Anti-hero mean.
So we get a load of scenes where Fett is pretty much being a good guy (thats ok in my book as long as I understand where he's coming from) while all the time Fennic is telling him WHAT HE SOULD BE DOING, and is mostly correct.
,
Yes, the Mando episodes were some of the best Star Wars we've seen from Disney, and the early epidoes were intriguing but now I've had time to ponder over it I think the series main issue was not developing Fett' s change of character as well as they should, instead of just rushing through it to get to what Rodriguez is good at (action, obviously)
Thats it for me now ( before i wear out my () buttons).
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I gave up on Clone Wars after that god awful duct-taped "movie" they released of the first couple of episodes. I know it got better but I still hear "Sky Guy" and "Snips" in my nightmares!
warboss wrote: I gave up on Clone Wars after that god awful duct-taped "movie" they released of the first couple of episodes. I know it got better but I still hear "Sky Guy" and "Snips" in my nightmares!
Yeah, again, its infuriating.
it really is a very good series...EVENTUALLY.
Its kind of the ANTI-X-files, in that it gets better and better as it goes along.
Amazingly, the resurrected series (7?) from a few years ago is quite possibly the best of the lot.
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