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Sasori wrote:Hey Guys. I just reread the rules on the Stormlord, and the Rules on the Solar Pulse, in the codex.

The Solar pulse says that it ceases to apply the nightfighting rules until the end of the turn, when it's used. This means that if Night fighting is in effect, it will still apply on the enemies turn.

I didn't read anything about the Solar pulse permanently cancelling the Stormlords ability, only that if he fails his roll to continue it, then it ceases to apply.

Someone else with a codex, can feel free to let me know if I Missed something in it, or if I"m correct about this.

Well, it only took 190 pages, but Sasori and I finally agree on something.

Anyways, ladies and gents, this thread has been interesting, and I would like to say "thank you" just once more to Yakface for sparking 190 pages of madness here. I'm off now to pick up my codex, and I'll see some of y'all in the other threads.

Happy Guy Fawkes Day

I started a thread with non-GW stuff that might be interesting for new and old Necron fans, starting with bases and terrain:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408661.page

Can Tomb Spyders spawn more Scarab Swarms than? I guess I am asking, for a Scarab spam list, how many tottal bases do I need? (30 for maxed-out FA slots, and how many additional?)

catharsix wrote:Can Tomb Spyders spawn more Scarab Swarms than? I guess I am asking, for a Scarab spam list, how many tottal bases do I need? (30 for maxed-out FA slots, and how many additional?)

Spyders can spawn more bases. Each spyder can create a scarab swarm, per turn. So, you could have 9 extra scarabs a turn, if you really wanted.

Just built 10x immortals with tesla gun , and built a doomsday ark into it's seperate parts and primes it all make it easier to paint... Now onto the lychguard and I'll finish the 2x ghost arks this week... Should have most stuff ready to game by next weekend (not painted)

Cryage wrote:Just built 10x immortals with tesla gun , and built a doomsday ark into it's seperate parts and primes it all make it easier to paint... Now onto the lychguard and I'll finish the 2x ghost arks this week... Should have most stuff ready to game by next weekend (not painted)

Sweet. Pouring through Codex. Working listsin order to start Necrons for the first time from scratch. A GW wet dream. Ha!

Anyone else sorta odded out that the spyders look more like ticks?

Do you think they will release more cryptek models with different wargear for lets say the tremorstave ?

Griever wrote:The issue is you're paying 245 points for 10 warriors in an ark. That's 245 points for a non fast scoring skimmer with nothing to threaten outside of 12". Sure it's a bunch of bolter shots once you're in rapid fire range, but then the warriors get assault and die.

I believe that rapid fire guns on vehicles count as stationary. So you can still single-fire the flayers at 24". (not that this is ideal, but it's still something)
Or is that just Crisis Suits and bikes?


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Eyesedragon wrote:Do you think they will release more cryptek models with different wargear for lets say the tremorstave ?

Not really sure. I'm leaning towards 'no', but they have done odder things.
I'm really not sure what to expect from Finecast.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Griever wrote:The issue is you're paying 245 points for 10 warriors in an ark. That's 245 points for a non fast scoring skimmer with nothing to threaten outside of 12". Sure it's a bunch of bolter shots once you're in rapid fire range, but then the warriors get assault and die.

I believe that rapid fire guns on vehicles count as stationary. So you can still single-fire the flayers at 24". (not that this is ideal, but it's still something)
Or is that just Crisis Suits and bikes?

Dunno about Tau, but bikes are automatically relentless.

Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.


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Eyesedragon wrote:Do you think they will release more cryptek models with different wargear for lets say the tremorstave ?

It'd be nice if we could get bits for this. The current cryptek actually has a non weapon hand option (looks like an orbish sort of thing, I'm using it as a solar pulse), so you can take the orb thing or just an empty hand.

Ostrakon wrote:Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.

Oh, I meant the Flayer Arrays on the side. I know the occupants count as moving.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen a Rapid Fire weapon on a vehicle before...

Right now it looks like I'll soon have an army of

Bought and Built/Building:

10 Immortals w/ Tesla (hopefully pins/magnets make it possible to swap with Guass)
1 Doomsday/Ghost Ark (don't think it'll ever be used as a ghost ark though...)
10 Lychguard/Praetorians (gotta love magnets, need some more)


Scrapped/ing together:
2 Overlords
1 Catacomb Command Barge (which looks more like a glider of sorts)
1 Lord
(Have 3 Pariahs not sure what to do with them yet...)
10 Crypteks
10 Wraiths
1 C'tan Shard

I think this is a fairly good start, Really think I may end up getting a few more lords and 2 Death Scythes/Night Scythes when wave two comes around

Use the Pariahs as Warscythe Lords, that's what I'm doing.

Dr. Delorean wrote:Use the Pariahs as Warscythe Lords, that's what I'm doing.

Good Idea! hmmm... thinking about sticking them with res orbs as well now... we'll see how that goes!


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Hell, I might start a new Paint and Modeling blog (anyway gave my Chaos Space Marines to my bro, they were just a distraction while I waited for my crons anyway)

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.

Oh, I meant the Flayer Arrays on the side. I know the occupants count as moving.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen a Rapid Fire weapon on a vehicle before...

IIRC as the rules stand ATM, you can fire from a transport vehicle with fire points(so for 2 fire points that would be 2 weapons) or if it is open topped that would be everything inside as long as it's not heavy weapons, for both types, if it has moved up to or over 12". For weapons mounted on the vehicle itself you are limited to defensive weapons (ie: up to S 4 and no more) unless there is a rule in it's description to allow the heavy weapons on board to be fired if you move up to or over 12".

Philld77 wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.

Oh, I meant the Flayer Arrays on the side. I know the occupants count as moving.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen a Rapid Fire weapon on a vehicle before...

IIRC as the rules stand ATM, you can fire from a transport vehicle with fire points(so for 2 fire points that would be 2 weapons) or if it is open topped that would be everything inside as long as it's not heavy weapons, for both types, if it has moved up to or over 12". For weapons mounted on the vehicle itself you are limited to defensive weapons (ie: up to S 4 and no more) unless there is a rule in it's description to allow the heavy weapons on board to be fired if you move up to or over 12".

Forget that there are Warriors inside.
Ghost Arks have 5 Gauss Flayers (S4 AP5 Rapid Fire) on each side.
It moves. It fires its Flayers. Can it hit things 24" away with them? Or is it, the vehicle, limited to the 12" 2 shots each version of Rapid Fire since it moved. Generally you can't take the 1 24" shot if you move with a Rapid Fire weapon, but do vehicles have something like Jetbikes do, where they count as stationary for Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons?

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Forget that there are Warriors inside.
Ghost Arks have 5 Gauss Flayers (S4 AP5 Rapid Fire) on each side.
It moves. It fires its Flayers. Can it hit things 24" away with them? Or is it, the vehicle, limited to the 12" 2 shots each version of Rapid Fire since it moved. Generally you can't take the 1 24" shot if you move with a Rapid Fire weapon, but do vehicles have something like Jetbikes do, where they count as stationary for Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons?

Well the Land Raider Crusader has sponson mounted Hurricane Bolters (basically twin linked boltguns) that can be fired with the weapon profile of a boltgun, so I would think that the Gauss Flayers mounted on the Ghost Ark would be the same as those (but obviously not twin linked ), but as I don't have the new codex in front of me I would say that any weapon that is classed as defensive (ie: up to and including S 4) would be capable of being fired within the rules, though I could be wrong.

Edit: I should also point out I'm not in possession of my BRB ATM either so this is from memory and I'm afraid I cant recall if the Rapid Fire range of Bolters are affected on vehicles if they travel over 12", I'll look in to it when I get home.

Third paragraph under "vehicles and shooting" in the rule book states that vehicles do not suffer the usual penalties of movement in relation to the firing of heavy and rapidfire weapons.

I'm thinking a fully tooled up overlord and a royal court of five Lords all with warscythes and mindshackle scarabs would make an awesome deathstar unit. Perhaps mounted in a night scythe. The more awesome the enemy unit sent against them in CC is the quicker it will die as it's models turn on each other...

Well, I wanted to buy Trazyn today, but apparently the new Necron models didn't last very long. When I got to the store the only new thing they had were the immortals and flayed ones. And the codex.

ok...the thread is almost dead..now go to the army list and put your winning list..and hen debate

We need to keep it going to 200 pages

I dunno about that, but I'm pretty sure it's up to a mod whether or not this thread keeps going, so a regular poster with no authority whatsoever demanding we all "take it somewhere else" is kinda silly.

Also, not sure how you can come up with a "winning list" after the codex has been out for a day. Has anyone actually assembled/converted the new models yet to even play games with?

David Clarke wrote:Third paragraph under "vehicles and shooting" in the rule book states that vehicles do not suffer the usual penalties of movement in relation to the firing of heavy and rapidfire weapons.

Thanks DC, I knew it was something like that but have not played a game in 2 months so I'm a little rusty (or getting old, take your pick ), so in conclusion: Rapid Fire away or take that 1 shot at max range

Eyesedragon wrote:Do you think they will release more cryptek models with different wargear for lets say the tremorstave ?

Hopefully but you can always make your own using Warriors and extra bits from the Immortal and Lychguard kits. That's my plan anyway.

Griever wrote:Seems like Matt Ward went out of his way to get rid of possible combinations, rather than encouraging them. A few gripes I've got:

- Ghost arks are hilariously expensive
- Praetorians & Lychguard about 10 pts overcosted
- Lack of access to Phaeron ability
- Inability to take more than 10 Immortals in a unit, and without a ghost ark
- C'tan powers cost too much
- Underwhelming special characters
- Annihilation Barges should be more than one per FOC
- No FOC manipulation means less themed lists

Some things I like:

- Wraiths are good, as are scarabs
- Cheaper monoliths
- WBB in every phase of the game, that means four rolls each game turn
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I think you got that wrong. It should be one per heavy slot.

This is actually one of the most synergistic Codexes out there. There are all kinds of nasty combos lurking below the surface of Codex: Necrons-- it's just up to you to find them. Good luck out there!

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.

Oh, I meant the Flayer Arrays on the side. I know the occupants count as moving.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen a Rapid Fire weapon on a vehicle before...

Black templar land raiders have (our can have) them.

All the Necrons Dex's sold out in the Albuquerque area :(

Zid wrote:All the Necrons Dex's sold out in the Albuquerque area :(

I was quite surprised by the release as well...when I went to buy my codex on Saturday, only during the hour I was at the shop, about 6 people excluding myself bought the new codex and a few miniatures. I expected a lot less. Needless to say, nobody bought FO. Our store manager also said he'd not expect selling any of those, at least for now.