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I'm deadly tempted to share that countdown with the world...


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I may or may not have picked a fight on the KS comment section. Why can't I ever keep my mouth shut?

Is it with that French person who tells us to find our zen moment and stay there already because I don't know I don't speak French and Bing isn't that great at translating?

migooo wrote:
So am I right saying April has had no update?

Hell, April still has seven days left, "anything" can happen.



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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm deadly tempted to share that countdown with the world...

What's keeping you? As someone else told me, this is something of a shameful declaration of war or something that I'm setting up here.

Yes. What really irked was not the zen moment, but the "they gave us a deep, rich universe to play with, edgy concept art and minis that'll give us a hard-on while we paint.

1)I didn't pay for a rich universe, but for minis. Besides, I hardly call 3 or 4 texts a rich universe. It is hinted at, but again, not the focus of the campaign. Same for edgy art. It might be nice, but that's not what I paid for.

2)That last line might have been a throwaway, but it crosses the line in my opinion. Yes the minis are cheesecake, and wear combat heels, but the hard-on part is for me too much.

Rich and deep? I don't know about you but jack gak has been explained about the setting. For me most of the fluff came from fan submitted bits of fiction.

And that last line..


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Hell, "priorities!" comes to mind once more really. It should be minis first, setting second at this stage.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm deadly tempted to share that countdown with the world...


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I may or may not have picked a fight on the KS comment section. Why can't I ever keep my mouth shut?

Go man go. The drama in KS comments sections sometimes reaches epic proportions but RH hasn't as yet.

Your just being honest.

Mat, I'm disappointed in you buddy. You make a savage, vicious attack on our fine artists that we've supported with our money.... and not posted it here for our amusement.

Seriously. What I am supposed to read? I mean, other than my research?

I COME HERE FOR A REASON, GOOD SIR!

 Kendachi wrote:
We, the backers of both Robotech and TGG should get together and host a convention.

A convention of no games!

But, lots of alcohol, lots of that.

Sounds good to me.

Pouring out 40's for those wallets and credit cards lost so some donkey caves can mess up what seem to be sure hits.

Re-reading the Robotech thread is, in some ways, even more enlightening. To watch the dawning horror as people realize what is happening, to see the adorable naivete of some of the backers (yours truly included).

Though to be fair, most of the folks who post here are of the sensible sort (at times, kind of, look leave me out of this) so it's more 'tongue in cheek mockery' than 'blind religious fervor, death to the unbelievers!' like on their official forums.

Not like that's a high bar to clear, but between there and the KS comments (at times), I'm growing weary of their fanboy gak.

Urroz: After all, we [the backers] requested resin for the heroines, just like for troop. (I know I certinaly never did) So don't complain about the silence. The beginning of May will be here soon, with the pledge manager (oh really?) Remain zen, because they are creating everything from scratch, including a rich universe, edgy concepts and minis that will give us raging hard-ons while we paint.

Me: Yes, lest we forget the range was 80% done before the campaign even started. Allow me to remain skeptical about anything they say anymore. Judging from the last update, production on the resin minis was up and running, after all... for the few minis this wave will consist of, anyway. Rich universe? S'il-vous-plaît. A few basic and overhyped texts, but not much more, eh? The fact remain that we gave money for minis, not texts, this changes nothing to the fact that they are late. And for those wondering "how long has it been, already?" I added a link to the countdown.

Me: Oh and your last line might be fine in your local culture, but I find it disgusting that you would treat women, even if as 28mm resin minis, as such. But, if your fetish is less with women and more with resin, my apologies.

Lapin Blanc: Wasn't the 80% only for the first 12K originally planned? They had a lot more to do than planned... They justified the delays by the re-doing of the minis to the standards they kept developping as they went, I believe it. It's true there is a lack of info but I don't think they are acting in bad faith.

Me: Good faith cannot be the sole driver of a business plan. I believe that they did scrap their first production run, but wouldn't a smarter move have been to print fewer figs, run them through the mill and trouble-shoot then rather than go overboard and then figure out you have a problem? (then more stuff about the 80%, Seriously, I am sick of this argument being bandied about) So either they lie, or they are not competent enough to manage their company at that scale.

Me: Oh and 12000$'s original goal was in no way shape or form "3 complete armies," no matter how you count the cents and dollars.

Heh, funny to see the "oh, they totally just meant the base models" argument show up in another campaign. People pull that gak in RRT too.

Also, I take it "80%" is sort of the same running gag as we have with "98%"?

Damn, you also have a percentage thrown around? We've got more in common than I originally thought!

And Mathieu, thanks for the translation!

No problem. I'm not about to let yo guys down. I'm waiting for Buzzsaw to jump in and speak in much more cogent terms any minute now.

We need to create a tumblr of all of the debauchery that a 1 year anniversary of not having delivered will create, and link it to theirs.

Not it, I'm already running a semi-successful 40k-oriented art Tumblr that updates twice a day.

This thread is a deep, rich universe.

My compliments to RaginShiroz.

This thread is delicious.


If I had a bit of help with set up I'd do it.

Guess who just friended me again on FB?

This is going to be spectacular.

How much do you want to bet that, if they ever actually get to such a point, the rulebook for their game will contain a really passive-aggressive bit of fiction aimed at this thread?

Some of us are anti-citizen one material already.

 Yodhrin wrote:
How much do you want to bet that, if they ever actually get to such a point, the rulebook for their game will contain a really passive-aggressive bit of fiction aimed at this thread?

It would be delicious if it was actually one of us that submitted said bit of fiction, though...

 BrookM wrote:
Not it, I'm already running a semi-successful 40k-oriented art Tumblr that updates twice a day.

Is it all about how to be a social justice warrior and check your privilege super imposed over 40k art with moody filters.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
How much do you want to bet that, if they ever actually get to such a point, the rulebook for their game will contain a really passive-aggressive bit of fiction aimed at this thread?

It would be delicious if it was actually one of us that submitted said bit of fiction, though...

Let the wild allegations commence.

I accuse Goodie bad wife.

IIRC previous bits of fiction were mostly written by fellow forum members.

edit.

And while it is honestly an interesting idea, there is far too little fluff to work with to set the tone and get a proper grip on the setting as a whole.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Seriously. What I am supposed to read? I mean, other than my research?

Lol

And what he said!

Update boys and grrrls: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy/posts/820676

All miniatures are either finished or in an advanced stage, except for 3 freebies that have not yet been started, but they are pretty simple sculpts.

So.... 80% complete then?

I'm going to be optimistic and say that there may finally (please?) be light at the end of the tunnel.

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Scratch that.

For the rest of the production, we are reasonably confident that all the metal Heroines, the spin-cast Troops and Support and Freebies as well as the hand-poured resin Heroines will be ready by September.

It's funny, I started writing this post before the update went out, and now that it is out... it doesn't seem to address any of the problems at hand. Oi.

The real problem at this point is the threat that their behavior will undermine people's confidence in RH's basic competence.

Consider the most recent substantive statements made on their Facebook page;

With regards to the (presumed dearly departed) "Social Media Hire";

Indeed, I'm aware of that...

Well, he's not sitting idle, I can tell you that. For example, he's the one who put together all the miniature details (images, text, stories, ...) portion for the upcoming Pledge Manager. While doing it, he had to collate all of our KS Updates in one Word document: over 100 pages... of text only (I guess that with images, we're probably around 300+!). He's the one who's making sure that many of our backers get to see the images from our Updates by disseminating them elsewhere (you'd be surprised how many backers are not subscribed to the Updates). He's also the one who grabs the renders and photos and integrate them in a presentable form (thereby freeing up quite a bit of time for the 3D team for actual sculpting rather than getting my communication images ready). Indeed, preparing the sculpts for the renders, then doing the renders and integrating them in the TGG layout takes 2 weeks for each Update!

In the end, it's my fault if he's not sharing more new news with you all. I keep piling up more stuff for him to do... So it may not translate in more communications for the backers, but his work has freed up some much needed time for other members of the team, which has allowed the KS production to progress faster. And while in the end that all means that the KS will get delivered faster, I do get how it can leave some backers wanting more.

For a brief moment, consider the lunacy of having to reassure people that their social media coordinator is "not sitting idle".

With regards to their communications problems,

Asharah Raging
William Mc Keever: I definitely do understand the concern and the fears, and I'm writing up something today to share more info.
Meanwhile, remember that the planned 50 models originally planned for the First Wave meant 10 Troops boxes, and we pushed them back to great expense to us to make them better, with the blessing of most of our backers... As for the Updates, not sure you should go by the number of them. Probably want to look at the actual content, where you'll see that the post-KS updates have loads more info in each of them. We had to recopy all the Updates in a Word document last week: 100 pages without images! We must be crazy
But again, I understand the concerns, so stay tuned for new info

The problem here is that this behavior really is crazy: RH faced a problem of communication last November. So they hired a staffer specifically to facilitate communications... and then gave him other duties that precluded him from doing the job they hired him for!

Criticism that their updates are too unwieldy and too infrequent is met with a boast that they have written over "100 pages without images!" N.B. that "pages" is not an exact measure, and that the exculpatory measure is entirely inadequate to the complaint. Indeed, their habit of writing enormous updates exemplifies the problem: RH seems to have no idea how to manage their actions to actually satisfy either the expectations of their backers, or, more seriously, their own promises.

Again, let's also note what RH puts out as an excuse, that this one guy had to 1) "put together all the miniature details", 2) "he had to collate all of our KS Updates in one Word document: over 100 pages... " Are these jokes? They are describing tasks that are the subject of an afternoon, but using terms like they were trying to raise the Titanic.

At least there's a vague deadline now, September, this year(?)

I think you're being a bit negative on the update,

It says 'pretty soon' for the wave 1 stuff/pledge manager (with 2 of 3 shipments of cast minis in hand, and one basingly being done, and the pledge manager written)

they're actually printing the wave 2 stuff (yes things may end up getting re-done, but actually committing to printing stuff shows some progress here)

and September for a (vagueish) deadline for the last of it (bar the spincast heroines)

it's not speedy but there has been real progress (I'd like more progress, more comms, faster etc but hey, stuff has happened, count this as a win and look forward to the minis)

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If I may, I'd really like to see someone rolling around in 100,000 25mm bases.

Like Scrooge McDuck.

Hehe.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I think you're being a bit negative on the update,

It says 'pretty soon' for the wave 1 stuff/pledge manager (with 2 of 3 shipments of cast minis in hand, and one basingly being done, and the pledge manager written)

they're actually printing the wave 2 stuff (yes things may end up getting re-done, but actually committing to printing stuff shows some progress here)

and September for a (vagueish) deadline for the last of it (bar the spincast heroines)

it's not speedy but there has been real progress (I'd like more progress, more comms, faster etc but hey, stuff has happened, count this as a win and look forward to the minis)

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I think you may be a bit generious with your interpretation of statements (helped by the fact that they are being deliberately obscure);

The "pretty soon" seems refers to the First Wave, which was broken into 3 parts; as of right now the third part is still in the prototype phase, which still requires printing, approval and then, finally, casting. It "will be ready to ship shortly after that."

September also does not refer to the balance of the line, but to the Second Wave, which, one will note, contains elements originally intended to be in the First Wave.

It seems entirely reasonable that things like the Wolves, the Bikes, the Warmachines and the other elements of the Third Wave will be... 2015? Sometime?