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Is there any consensus on this?

My vote would go to Feel no Pain.

For some reason people I play against it always seems to even stop instant death. I dont know how many times I have hit a T4 model with a Lascannon to beat the cover save, beat the Invul save, then they get saved by Feel no pain. I think I will just concede in future vs a FnP army.

You're being cheated then. Can't take fnp vs instant death.

Probably smash.

Btw instant death cancels out fnp.

Are there any situations in any codex where a T4 model can use FnP vs instant death from a Lascannon?

No, can't think of any.

I'll vote for, 'The Rule of Cool'.

Eternal Warrior stops you dying, but I don't think it lets you use Feel no Pain.

Ignore cover in this shooty edd. My orks hate it :/

I'd probably go for ignores cover. If your army relies on it to survive and you run up against an army with plentiful ignores cover, you won't be having a good day.

Can't pick one Ignore cover is huge this edition , but so is ASKNF in every edition.

 phatonic wrote:
Ignore cover in this shooty edd. My orks hate it :/

my orks vote the same!

FNP is brilliant on T5 because there is very little in the game that can instant death it.


But ignores cover is pretty huge, especially when used with a low AP gun.

I think that And They Shall Know No Fear is the special rule which has the most influence in the game as played.

Smash is probably the one I would pay most points for, although Ignore Cover and Shrouded are also damn good on the right models.

Feel No Pain is very good and works well on pretty much everything. Other than vehicles and T 2 models, everyone is significantly better with FNP.

Ignore Cover is very powerful, especially as we seem to have more powerful weapons this edition that ignore cover in some way. And some weapons also indirectly ignore cover, like Barrage weapons (hiding behind a wall does you no good if the template lands behind the wall).
And They Shall Know No Fear is still very good. Automatically rallying, as well as simply not dying if you can't escape from assault, is a strong ability.

I dont think there is any one special rule that I dislike, but I hate anything that stacks from a game balance perspective. There should be no way to get a 2+ cover save for example. Things should just give a solid number and you get to use the better of all the choices that apply.

Destroyer. Screw Destroyer.

And They Shall Know No Fear. No question in my mind.

FNP easily. I fought against my own Nurgle army last night and found out how stubborn it makes units.
I couldn't shift the plague marines off of objectives.

NamelessBard wrote:
You're being cheated then. Can't take fnp vs instant death.

He got cheated twice, because you can't take a cover save and an invulnerable save for the same wound.

 Jimsolo wrote:
And They Shall Know No Fear. No question in my mind.

This rule is much too powerful for what it does and for that fact the so many armies have it

 Jimsolo wrote:
And They Shall Know No Fear. No question in my mind.

Do you reckon anyone would support toning it down to something a little more like it was back in the days of 2nd Ed?

"Units containing a model with this special rule become Shaken if they fail a Morale Check. Shaken units may not move toward enemy models. Shaken units may Rally, just as Broken units, returning to normal. A Shaken Unit that fails a subsequent Morale Check becomes Broken.
Units containing a model with this special rule may also reroll failed tests for Fear."

when my whole army can run and shoot, with rerolls on that run, its pretty scary. i feel sorry for my enemies whenever i use that rule to shoot and hide (as i always do)

 Swastakowey wrote:
when my whole army can run and shoot, with rerolls on that run, its pretty scary. i feel sorry for my enemies whenever i use that rule to shoot and hide (as i always do)

Eldar trickery at its finest.

The Destroyer special rule, by a country mile.

In the main rulebook: Interceptor. It can swing a game to the point where player A is playing at one point level, and his/her opponent is playing at another.

Using a flyer? Unless it has a ton of HP, obscenely high armor, or an invuln save, it'll be destroyed when it comes on against some armies.

Using deep strikers? Not only do you get to deal with the possibility of mishaping, you also get to deal with opponents potentially wiping out that unit that just came in, before it gets to do anything.


Adding in the supplements I'd have to say Destroyer.

Soul Blaze: it makes everything better.

Relentless if you ask me. Being able to move and fire those weapons.

ATSKNF is required to make marine units even playable. If your 5 point unit can sweep a 14-60 point unit (yes, 60 points, that's how expensive some of our gak can get) then what's the point?

There's a reason CSM players don't use CSM.

Most powerful rule is Ignore Cover and Battle Focus. ATSKNF doesn't even change anything in terms of winning or losing other than making marines even worse. "Oh no, those Dark Angels know no fear! How will I ever win now?" said no player ever.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
ATSKNF is required to make marine units even playable. If your 5 point unit can sweep a 14-60 point unit (yes, 60 points, that's how expensive some of our gak can get) then what's the point?

There's a reason CSM players don't use CSM.

Most powerful rule is Ignore Cover and Battle Focus. ATSKNF doesn't even change anything in terms of winning or losing other than making marines even worse. "Oh no, those Dark Angels know no fear! How will I ever win now?" said no player ever.

You've never played IG or Tau! You have no idea how many men i have lost to sweeping advances over the years when they clearly had a numerical advantage but they got beat by a leadership roll. 50 man blob? Nope, all dead because a handful of lucky space marines caused you to fail and you rolled crummy on your leadership. THAT is a huge pain in the butt if i ever saw one. Ignore cover is pretty strong but it won't insta gib a massive squad based off of two dice. Its close though!

The special rule of ignore cover wouldn't be so bad if there was no way to get a 3+ or better cover save in the first place. Or if weapons that have ignore cover don't have any other special rules either like rending.

Ignoring cover weapons have been around for ages. Ordnance barrage should still get to ignore cover, flamers should still get to ignore cover, however AP4 is probably the best any ignore cover weapon should have ever been. Its just the way power creep escalates until the game becomes unplayable. Its been part of GWs design philosophy for years.

6th edition is just the beginning of the end as its just like what 2nd edition was at its end. Powercreep is getting to high for the current rule set to support and the "extra" supplements etc. are just like all the old crap you had to keep track of.

I'd be willing to bet that 8th edition sees an entire new game with a clean slate and start over.