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Apparently they can move and shoot now.

I read though all of Jex's posts, but could not find special weapon points?

 jae4x4 wrote:
I read though all of Jex's posts, but could not find special weapon points?

I don't think those things changed.

thought it was being released on the Saturday the 12th?
Or am I getting mixed up with time zones?

Jex, can you please tell me what the base cost of the Valkyrie is? From what I've read the upgrades are reputedly cheaper, but I can't seem to find the base cost

Also you have my thanks for sharing this with us

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
What's the exact wording on the Augur Array, Inquisitor Jex?

"If you attempt to bring a unit on from reserve using deep strike, and the location chosen for its deployment is within 6 inches of a vehicle with an augur array, that unit does not scatter. The augur array must have been on the battlefield at the start of the turn in order for it to be used"

So I'm afraid it cannot be used with grav chute insertion...yet again grav chute states a unit gets on the board as it was deep striking..wordings wordings...

Can scout sentinals take Augurs?
If so, you can probably outflank a unit of scouts and drop down an allied unit of terminators right in your opponent's back lines.

Yes they can

KommissarKarl wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Sweet, nice to see that vets still pack three specials at least.

Well the sargeant can take one too. So before we paid 115 for veterans with three plasmaguns, now we pay 120 points for four plasmaguns.

Well, Sarges can only take plasma pistols, not plasma guns

l0k1 wrote:Jex, can a tank commander take the relic that gives him It Will Not Die? Would it confer to the tank he is in?

nope, tank commanders can't take relics. Furthermore, if a tank commander is your Warlord, he only rolls d3 on the AM Warlord table ONLY (as in, he can't roll on the table in the BRB)

Anpu42 wrote:Ratling???

Yup, they can now shoot and run in the shooting phase, still infiltrate, stealth, same cost, same gear.

jae4x4 wrote:I read though all of Jex's posts, but could not find special weapon points?

Sniper rifle (can't be taken by rough riders, scions, scions command squad) 2
Flamer, GL 5
Meltagun, Heavy Flamer 10
hot-shot volley gun (Scions and scion command squad only) 10
plasma gun 15
Demo charge (SWS only) 20

Also, here a bit of a costy gimmic; if you want a LC as a Warlord, you can still buy a CCS with Creed, as Creed does NOT have the Senior officer rule; he gets his 3 orders/turn (including Senior officer only orders) via his Supreme commander rule. A costly gimmic, but an option to have both a CCS and a LC, with the LC being your warlord.

EDIT: Mr. Omega-Valkyrie base cost is 125, Vendetta 170

Can techpriests, primaris psykers and priests only be taken in a primary detachment, like Eldar Warlocks, or can you have them in an allied force?

How many can you get? I think someone said 0-3, but is that 0-3 priests and 0-3 psykers and 0-3 enginseers, or 0-3 total?

Is there any reason at all to take extra guys in the Wyrdvane Psyker squad? 12 ppm seems way too much for bullet-catchers when you can take techpriests (in power armour), priests (rosarius) or inquisitors (carapace armour and lots of wounds) for 25 points each.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Can techpriests, primaris psykers and priests only be taken in a primary detachment, like Eldar Warlocks, or can you have them in an allied force?

How many can you get? I think someone said 0-3, but is that 0-3 priests and 0-3 psykers and 0-3 enginseers, or 0-3 total?

Is there any reason at all to take extra guys in the Wyrdvane Psyker squad? 12 ppm seems way too much for bullet-catchers when you can take techpriests (in power armour), priests (rosarius) or inquisitors (carapace armour and lots of wounds) for 25 points each.

1- They are HQ units, but do not count as a mandatory HQ unit, nor do they take a FoC spot.
3-Each are 0-3, so you can have 9 total (3 of each)
3-Beats me; I do not know what brotherhood of psykers can do, and personally, I'd rather take a Primaris as Mastery lvl 2 for 75 pts.

"Also, here a bit of a costy gimmic; if you want a LC as a Warlord, you can still buy a CCS with Creed, as Creed does NOT have the Senior officer rule; he gets his 3 orders/turn (including Senior officer only orders) via his Supreme commander rule. A costly gimmic, but an option to have both a CCS and a LC, with the LC being your warlord."

Does this apply if you have Creed + Yarrik... Yarrik can be the Warlord?

3-Beats me; I do not know what brotherhood of psykers can do, and personally, I'd rather take a Primaris as Mastery lvl 2 for 75 pts.

Brotherhood of Psykers is a USR. It's basically the rule that GKs and Horrors and Zoanthropes use to cast psychic powers as a unit.

Unless stated otherwise more models don't really add anything but bullet catchers but most units with Brotherhood have extra rules that modify their casting based on number of models (zonathropes shoot more warp blasts, Horrors can fire more shots with warp fire or whatever its called, etc)

So that's why people keep asking is if there's some additional rule or reason to add models to Wyrdvane, since most other similar unit has additional rules

I normaly run a Creed/Kell/Nork Command Squad.
How does the Creed/Kell combination work now, or is it basicaly the same now?

jae4x4 wrote:"Also, here a bit of a costy gimmic; if you want a LC as a Warlord, you can still buy a CCS with Creed, as Creed does NOT have the Senior officer rule; he gets his 3 orders/turn (including Senior officer only orders) via his Supreme commander rule. A costly gimmic, but an option to have both a CCS and a LC, with the LC being your warlord."

Does this apply if you have Creed + Yarrik... Yarrik can be the Warlord?

Yup, Yarrick as actually the Warlord automatically in this case, as he's got the Senior officer rule.

winterman wrote:

3-Beats me; I do not know what brotherhood of psykers can do, and personally, I'd rather take a Primaris as Mastery lvl 2 for 75 pts.

Brotherhood of Psykers is a USR. It's basically the rule that GKs and Horrors and Zoanthropes use to cast psychic powers as a unit.

Unless stated otherwise more models don't really add anything but bullet catchers but most units with Brotherhood have extra rules that modify their casting based on number of models (zonathropes shoot more warp blasts, Horrors can fire more shots with warp fire or whatever its called, etc)

So that's why people keep asking is if there's some additional rule or reason to add models to Wyrdvane, since most other similar unit has additional rules

Ah my bad, thanks for the explanation!

and...no, they only got a single special rule, and that is brotherhood of Psykers (Mastery Lvl 1) nothing else.

KommissarKarl wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Sweet, nice to see that vets still pack three specials at least.

Well the sargeant can take one too. So before we paid 115 for veterans with three plasmaguns, now we pay 120 points for four plasmaguns.

WHAAAAAAAAT??!

Nvm already cleared up

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

jae4x4 wrote:"Also, here a bit of a costy gimmic; if you want a LC as a Warlord, you can still buy a CCS with Creed, as Creed does NOT have the Senior officer rule; he gets his 3 orders/turn (including Senior officer only orders) via his Supreme commander rule. A costly gimmic, but an option to have both a CCS and a LC, with the LC being your warlord."

Does this apply if you have Creed + Yarrik... Yarrik can be the Warlord?

Yup, Yarrick as actually the Warlord automatically in this case, as he's got the Senior officer rule.

winterman wrote:

3-Beats me; I do not know what brotherhood of psykers can do, and personally, I'd rather take a Primaris as Mastery lvl 2 for 75 pts.

Brotherhood of Psykers is a USR. It's basically the rule that GKs and Horrors and Zoanthropes use to cast psychic powers as a unit.

Unless stated otherwise more models don't really add anything but bullet catchers but most units with Brotherhood have extra rules that modify their casting based on number of models (zonathropes shoot more warp blasts, Horrors can fire more shots with warp fire or whatever its called, etc)

So that's why people keep asking is if there's some additional rule or reason to add models to Wyrdvane, since most other similar unit has additional rules

Ah my bad, thanks for the explanation!

and...no, they only got a single special rule, and that is brotherhood of Psykers (Mastery Lvl 1) nothing else.

It looks like that and PotW takes out only one model at time would be the big benifit.

There's a good thread up on /tg/ right now with pics of the book if anyone is interested.

Wait, sniper rifles are now 2 points? That makes them interesting.

Ok...the one that was not sideways was upside down

 Vaktathi wrote:
There's a good thread up on /tg/ right now with pics of the book if anyone is interested.

Link it please if you will, I can't seem to find it

Eyjio wrote:
So wait, does that mean it's potentially firing on a 3+ turn 2? If so, that's amazing. I want 3.

Yeah, these thinsg terrify me. Nobody took them back in the day (So much so that I forgot that they even *existed*!), but, man, that's my army in a poof. One shot can take out two broods of Tyrannid Warriors, my Venomthropes, a whol ehandful of 'gants/'gaunts, instagib ... lordy.

Absolute terror in a can.

Wakshaani wrote:

Eyjio wrote:
So wait, does that mean it's potentially firing on a 3+ turn 2? If so, that's amazing. I want 3.

Yeah, these thinsg terrify me. Nobody took them back in the day (So much so that I forgot that they even *existed*!), but, man, that's my army in a poof. One shot can take out two broods of Tyrannid Warriors, my Venomthropes, a whol ehandful of 'gants/'gaunts, instagib ... lordy.

Absolute terror in a can.

I got one, mostly proxie it as a manticore, because a vehicle with a giant missile is a cool sight on the table way more than one with a 4 missile rack.

Ha! I built 3 Deathstrikes for the vortex missile formation in apoc, I NEVER thought they would see normal play! This new codex definitely has my attention.

Does Harker still add any bonuses to the unit he's taken with? His army list entry seems to only have relentless for his special rules, which wouldn't apply to the whole squad. Does he still give the infiltrate and stealth bonuses? It's going to be pretty disappointing if he doesn't, since that's the only reason to pay 55 points for him.

Also, what does Straken do?

 Peregrine wrote:
Does Harker still add any bonuses to the unit he's taken with? His army list entry seems to only have relentless for his special rules, which wouldn't apply to the whole squad. Does he still give the infiltrate and stealth bonuses? It's going to be pretty disappointing if he doesn't, since that's the only reason to pay 55 points for him.

Also, what does Straken do?

Nope, only relentless. his HB is rending as well.

Straken:
Same gear as before.
Got a warlord trait; implacable determination (gives relentless to his unit)
fearless
monster hunter
Senior officer
smash
Voice of command
Cold steel and courage: him and all freindly Codex: AM in 6 inches have counter-attack and furious charge
Gong-ho: must always issue and accept a challenge

Still Str 6, T4, I3, 3+Sv and 130p this time around..the costiest special char

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Does Harker still add any bonuses to the unit he's taken with? His army list entry seems to only have relentless for his special rules, which wouldn't apply to the whole squad. Does he still give the infiltrate and stealth bonuses? It's going to be pretty disappointing if he doesn't, since that's the only reason to pay 55 points for him.

Also, what does Straken do?

Nope, only relentless. his HB is rending as well.

Straken:
Same gear as before.
Got a warlord trait; implacable determination (gives relentless to his unit)
fearless
monster hunter
Senior officer
smash
Voice of command
Cold steel and courage: him and all freindly Codex: AM in 6 inches have counter-attack and furious charge
Gong-ho: must always issue and accept a challenge

Still Str 6, T4, I3, 3+Sv

Wait... Smash?
halve his attacks for Str 10 AP2! wow... that's funny

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Does Harker still add any bonuses to the unit he's taken with? His army list entry seems to only have relentless for his special rules, which wouldn't apply to the whole squad. Does he still give the infiltrate and stealth bonuses? It's going to be pretty disappointing if he doesn't, since that's the only reason to pay 55 points for him.

Also, what does Straken do?

Nope, only relentless. his HB is rending as well.

Straken:
Same gear as before.
Got a warlord trait; implacable determination (gives relentless to his unit)
fearless
monster hunter
Senior officer
smash
Voice of command
Cold steel and courage: him and all freindly Codex: AM in 6 inches have counter-attack and furious charge
Gong-ho: must always issue and accept a challenge

Still Str 6, T4, I3, 3+Sv

Wait... Smash?
halve his attacks for Str 10 AP2! wow... that's funny

Well he used to have all of his attack ignore armour saves at initiative, so it's the 6th ed equivalent I suppose...

3 death strikes hidden behind a fortress of redemption would make guneline tau cry, but mind in the machine or puppet master would make the owner of the deathstrikes cry.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
There's a good thread up on /tg/ right now with pics of the book if anyone is interested.

Link it please if you will, I can't seem to find it

https://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/31392731

 schadenfreude wrote:
3 death strikes hidden behind a fortress of redemption would make guneline tau cry, but mind in the machine or puppet master would make the owner of the deathstrikes cry.

Not if pretty much everything else is in reserves or in a Valk / Vendettta.

I've just decided something. If I can't have official Penal Squad members, then they'll become my vets. Like the Dirty Dozen. That way I can use my heavy weapons Necromunda figures also.

Yep, the /tg/ thread will save dollars if you so choose. Just getting all the rules defined and the Battlescribe should update in a week or two...

GW's really missing an opportunity by not just making a Warroom like app and charging us like $100 for all the rulesets with lifetime updates. Hell, $150, all the dexes.