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Great to get the info.

Between this and the new 2k Points limit for GD, I'm definitely playing Fantasy for that, and I'll build the 100+ Orks I've got on the sprue AFTER the 5th ed rules come out and I rejig my army.

Should hopefully have that done for the Baltimore GT.

adamsouza wrote:I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.

I thought they had some perfectly fine Dwarf plastics, and they went and re-did those... If they're not producing something new, then they're not producing. It's a shame they're not putting IG in the box with maybe some plastic Rough Riders. While not fielded often, it'd offer up some great conversions!

Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?

Aren't they?

Money-grubbing, barsteward rip-off merchants!

adamsouza wrote:BFSP has raised my opinion of what they can accomplish on single pice figs, so I wouldn't be upset even if they went that route, BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.

I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.

You make a good point there. And I would just about fully agree.

But I think that GW will make fixed pose models in this box for one single reason.

To make sure people keep buying the multipose boxes of those very same models included.

I really think it was the reason why they took the 2nd ed space hulk off of the shelves.

not because it was to costly to produce the tiles, like GW originally stated, but because it was better (and much cheaper) to buy space hulk and get the termies and trade the stealers to a tyranid player. (even though termies really stunk in 3rd ed)

Hellfury wrote:But I think that GW will make fixed pose models in this box for one single reason.

To make sure people keep buying the multipose boxes of those very same models included.

The single-posed minis are easier for beginners to assemble.

I think it has something to to with 10-year olds.

Anung Un Rama wrote:I think it has something to to with 10-year olds.

Just don't mention Jervis' son...

adamsouza wrote:the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.

I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.

GW will probably recut the figures and simplify them because they can fit more figures in a smaller box that way. If GW doesn't have dense layout of models on the sprue, then they need bigger boxes.

Wow, that is a helluva lot O' minis! Too bad they'll all be snapfit minis.

Maybe it will really be a cardboard standee for the bigger models, like the ork dreadnought in the 2nd edition box set

This does seem very biased towards the Marines (as usual) I can't help but think that Orks will be seeing their 'stock drop' as new players will play the starter set, and based upon their performance verses the Marines will drop the Orks and play Space Marines (as usual).

Anybody got any ideas of the number of Orks in the box? They've got a lot of points to make up against that Terminator Squad and Dreadnought.

adamsouza wrote:I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.

There is no such thing as "enough" when it comes to money. A simple eBay search will demonstrate that terminators and commanders are still selling at the current prices. It may well be more profitable to resculpt and cut new molds for starter set versions of them rather than undercut sales of the existing box sets. But worry not! I'm sure the snap-fit commander will be in the ever popular waving-his-power-fist-in-the-air-above-his-bald-screaming-head pose so beloved among space marine fans.

Vandez wrote:And also, surely Apoc is for older players with their own bodyweight in miniatures?

Well I don't know about that... have you seen the manboobs on some of the vets?

Also, they can't let tau outsell marines. Oh wait...

Are you implying that Tau have been outselling marines ?

Im sorry to say this but i made a great decision
selling my Tau for Orks, but thats off topic.

As for the Box Set.... Im GOING FRIGGEN NUTTS!..(flash back to LOTR's..Pressioussss...i wants it,..I must Have's it!)

thats good news about the Deff Kopptas, i was about to converet my Old Bikes into Kopptas., but i'll hold off on that for now. More boys is good for me, i'll make
me a nice 20 Strong Storm Boys mob (i love to Convert!) as for the Warboss, i'll keep a warboss w/o Mega-Armour for a faster Warboss.
Nobs..Well i converted 7 of them as i told adamsouza a bit ago. (yes i'll post pics soon as i paint them) but with more Nobs, i'll just start another mob.

My son is going crazzy to get his hands on the Marines, maybe i'll have him do some work around the house till the Box set jumps into my hands.

Good find adamsouza, Tones of Kudos to you mate!

Perhaps GW will make "special needs" versions of the Kopta and Dread just for this box.

AND THAT’S NOT ALL!
The set will ALSO include:

1– Ork Warboss
2– Ork Boyz Mobs
1– Ork Nob Mob
3– Death Koptas

Well crap... I just finished putting together 3 metal deth koptas that I bought last month from GW for $75. LOL

Lets see, for some reason this reminds me immensly of the opening scene for the Original Dawn of War....

Anyone else see any resemblance to a bunch of orcs facing off against a dread and a bunch of marines? (then again the orcs didn't have deff koptas but it would make sense to use that scenario seeing as a heck of a lot of people know it from the video game series who don't play the table top version.)

Tetchy wrote:Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?

Aren't they?

Money-grubbing, barsteward rip-off merchants!

Actually, I don't think they will drop the price of McCragge at all. They don't have hardly any of them left, and they are sill selling at a good pace. I got a big restock for my shop, and even with telling people the rules will be only good for the next two months, they still sell.

In two months, the models are still good, along with the dice, templates, and scenery.

Rulebooks will have no use at all in two months, I sold my last one a month ago and didn't restock.

Similar story here...

I told my boss two months ago 5th would be coming out in the summer so that he wouldn't get stuck with a bunch of BfM sets. He only orders a couple at a time now, but even telling people the new rules are coming out, he is re-ordering quite a bit.

On another note, at least the 4th rulebook has some cool pictures in it because I don't know what to do with it ...

Tetchy wrote:Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?

They'll do the same thing with the Battle for McDonald's box that they did for the 3rd Ed boxes - take all remaining stock to landfill and have them put through a compactor.

God forbid they offer them at a cheaper rate for their loyal customers, no, no, no. They must be destroyed!

BYE

Ratbarf wrote:Anyone else see any resemblance to a bunch of orcs facing off against a dread and a bunch of marines? (then again the orcs didn't have deff koptas but it would make sense to use that scenario seeing as a heck of a lot of people know it from the video game series who don't play the table top version.)

But then they'd have to write rules for Bolters loaded with blank rounds and near-sighted Dreadnoughts.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:God forbid they offer them at a cheaper rate for their loyal customers, no, no, no. They must be destroyed!

Nope, they'll end up as the sample models supplied with GW paint sets, along with GW "paint and take" fodder at their events.

It depends whether it is cheaper to break up any built box units and repurpose the individual content items, or trash them and make new.

Given the cheap production cost of plastics versus the expense of hand unpacking and repacking items, it may be good accounting to trash the box units, and good marketing not to offer them at discount prices.

In the USA, it is normally cheaper/better/easier to "pulp"/"destroy" unsold books/product than sell it at sub-prime discounts or to dump it at cheap wholesalers because of the way accounting write offs work here. Giving them away for free normally can't be written off (at least not at the level we would probably be talking about in this case).

FWIW, at the LA Bunker, GW cleared off a bunch of old stuff as prizes at one of their events.

Youve gotta be kidding me. Thats a major deal.

Kilkrazy wrote:It depends whether it is cheaper to break up any built box units and repurpose the individual content items, or trash them and make new.

Given the cheap production cost of plastics versus the expense of hand unpacking and repacking items, it may be good accounting to trash the box units, and good marketing not to offer them at discount prices.

It might be good accounting and marketing practice to the suits at Lenton.

To the gamer on the street it just stinks.

Because the STARTER set isn't for those of us who have been playing for years, its for noobs. So of course it uses the most iconic army in the game.

We can debate whether it should hold this iconic status until the Ambulls come home, but 40k is Space marines, Space Marines are 40k.

And after years away from them, my first 5th edition army is going to be Space Marines.

Whoever buys multiple starter boxes, I'll buy a mini rulebook off you immediately. Just PM me please