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yakface wrote:So why doesn't GW put not-marines into this box set, that way they still sell all these starter sets plus all the marines they already sell to everyone and their grandmother who wants more marines?

Why would GW take the one thing that outsells all their other product lines out of their core set?

BYE

Because just like I said:

You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.

People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.

yaks making sense.

time for my medicine.

I think we think we already know the answer to this question yak. It would serve as a very good koan.

Popular items sell for money. Discounts are given otherwise. Marines are both.

Is the answer:

Spaz Marinez... Hurrr!!!!

perhaps?

Seriously though, it'd be nice (as in a pipedream) to see two non-imperium armies in the starter, perhaps Orks and Chaos?

Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:You know, I don't care that this starter box will give me a bunch of Orks I have no use for. Paying $60 for just the Marines and rulebook is a friggin deal!

5 Termies = $50 Box Set
10 Tacticals = $35 Box Set
1 Commander = $20 Box Set
1 Dreadnought = $40 Box Set
Separate Rulebook = $50

So for $60, I'm getting $195 of models I'll use, as well as probably $100 more in Orks!

This concludes my summer purchases. One box of this and a Crusader, and I'll be set for life.

CK

You're pretending you're getting the multi-pose minis and full-size hardback rulebook worth full price. If you were to price them closer to their true value, the pricing would be quite a bit lower.

5 Termies = $20 value (at $50, the multi-pose minis are insane)
10 Tacticals = $20 value
1 Commander = $10 value
1 Dreadnought = $25 value
Separate Rulebook = $10 value

The "value" of the SM & rulebook is closer to $85, which is still a good deal.

All this does is show high overpriced the boxed sets are.

yeah, surely the figs will all be 1or 2 part simplified versions like in previous boxed sets, i can't believe GW would simply shove in all the normal sprues. But given the high quality of the recentish WHFB 'simplified' models, the 40K ones will surely be as good, and I too will be buying a box. Or two.

It's a bit too early to value the new models, as we've not actually seen them. Be that as it may, we're still getting the granddaddy of all starter sets complete with a vehicle, three bike-equivalents and two bare-bones armies (well, if you want to stretch the ten tacticals to form two five-man squads).

May we live in interesting times.

yakface wrote:Because just like I said:

You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.

People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.

You are assuming they are only selling these box sets to people who already play the game. A new kid comes along, sees the box set for $60 with the cool Space Marines and wants to get it. Space Marines are the selling point that gets the kid into the hobby.

Besides Yak, we all know you just hate Marines.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

yakface wrote:You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.

Whilst I agree with that in principle, I think it's safe to say that just buying the boxed set over and over again will not get you a Marine army. You're still going to have to buy the overwhelming majority of Marine stuff that doesn't come in the box.

The abundance of miniatures also drives the sales of the box, off-setting the discount given.

yakface wrote:People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.

A few things:

1. Most people aren't like us. Most people won't get together with a friend and buy a few boxed sets and swap the bits they want between one another. We might want to do that (and I will, depending on what else comes in the box - the Marines alone don't interest me as I have over 10,000 points of Marines already and I don't collect Orks). Most people will buy this boxed set once, and will then go on to collect Marines. I know I did when I got the 2nd Ed box, and Marines have been in every box since then so why change something that's clearly working?
2. You seem to have forgotten that you always require 'More Stuff' to play 40K. This box won't do it.
3. It's like drugs. The first one's always free. After that though...

BYE

I'm still holding onto some hope that these will be fully poseble multipart miniatures. Sometimes my naivete knows no bounds!

Still, either way, an awesome deal.

Vandez wrote:I'm still holding onto some hope that these will be fully poseble multipart miniatures.

Not at that price.

I think you'll all be surprised at what's really in the box.

Well-written, heavily playtested, rules.

Now come on lads, form up into ranks.

Hey you, with the fancy sword. Stop yelling. Get into the congo line.

It's a small hope.

(Assuming this is correct)

Normally I would agree with Yakface's arguement, second teir armies need a discount and some love, not the marines.

But since the boxset is coming out two or three months after the rules the target audience is clearly new players, hence the inclusion of the most popular army.

Kyoto, WHAT new players?

The ones clearly targeted by Apocalypse?

LOLOLOLOL

What, have people suddenly stopped being interested in wargames? When did a new ruleset/boxed edition cease to be a great opportunity to get new players into the hobby?

And also, surely Apoc is for older players with their own bodyweight in miniatures?

Also also, why do I have this sudden suspicion that I've completely misjunded the tone of your post? Ah, nuts to it.

I'm an older player.

Interest of me and the locals in apoc? Zero.

I only have ten armies...

I'm immune to gimmicks and smurfs?

And optimism, apparently.

GW stole it from me with the gaming from 97-2005.

Hah, fair point. Wargaming: Vacuuming your optimisim since 1985.

Now, as I read the Starter Contents from the 1st post.. the OP says that there is a SM Commander with Full Sprue.. that implies to me that AT LEAST him, and probably others in the box, will NOT be one or 2 part molded models.

I would imagine that the "command" figures will be multi-part models with different weapon configs.. while the troops will be more like BfM troops.

Not sure about the Termies and Nobs.. maybe somewhere between fixed pose troops and full option models..

-Porkuslime

H.B.M.C. wrote:If this becomes the only place where you can get Deffkoptas I'm going to have to call shenanigans.

BYE

3 deffkoptas for 60 dollars? isn't that what we pay now? 20 dolllars apiece. and now if we want to, we have trade fodder or we can sell the stuff we don't need. or we split the cost of the starter box with a friend so it's now 30 dollars. sounds like a deal either way.

But I highly doubt that the starter set is the only place they will be available. In fact, can you point to any unit in a starter box that is not available in blister or box? So, what makes you think this would be the presedence for 40k? I don't follow your logic here.

Probably similar to the 2nd Ed Space Hulk Terminators I'd say... just bigger.

BYE

I have the sneaking suspicion that the termies will be the ones included in the original Space Hulk game.

Yeah, the single piece ones.

Hey GW - show me the minis!

BFSP has raised my opinion of what they can accomplish on single pice figs, so I wouldn't be upset even if they went that route, BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.

I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.

That is one heluva steal.. I'll be getting a box, but I know I'll have no use for the ork stuff :( I think we'll be seeing a lot of orc armies with tons of deathkoptas soon :p

Necros wrote:That is one heluva steal.. I'll be getting a box, but I know I'll have no use for the ork stuff :( I think we'll be seeing a lot of orc armies with tons of deathkoptas soon :p

I plan on getting a box too and won't be using the space marines. If you care to, maybe we can work a trade out.. ?? pm me if that is something youa re interested in.

hehe yeah I would probably do that.. lets wait till the thing is actually released and see.. who knows by then I might end up keeping it all .. I don't even play my marines anymore but some extra new models for the army might breath some interest back into it for me. Though the tactical marines won't match, I have 3 tac squads of those 1 pose 2nd edition starter marines But I fluffed up my guard army to be the planetary defense force for where my marines come from, and they all share the same colors.. one of these days I wanna get a big apoc game going with stuff from both forces all mixed in

I guess GW going with the super low price to try and combat the other cheaper games but also banking on the fact that tons of vets will scoop this box set up for the value alone, and then go ahead and buy the big rulebook too.

I see myself buying at least 2 of these sets just for the Orks...