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Sweet my wallet is going to hate me. H.B.M.C.s wallet and storage area are going to hate him hehe

Good thing I don't have a job, because I'd be sitting in my own filth at the moment.

Kid: Souffle is awesome. For our non French-speakers, it translates to Blow; so it's saying to use the Breath template. So your templates are: Breath, Explosion and Big Explosion.

aka_mythos: Ah, good point.

I'm also way interested to see some points costs. How many STs in Valks can I cram into this army? And can we really get STs as members of a command squad instead of guardsmen? Can those STs be upgraded as normal to medics, standard bearers, etc? These are important questions.

Lord Solaar wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No Salamander :(

But there is something called a Devil Dog, could this just be the french name for Salamander? (or just wishful thinking?)

Salamandre. Devil Dog is a Hellhound variant.

I'm looking forwards to this as it means more Guard players, which in turn means more varieties of army in my FLGS (assuming I find a good one soon)

I always thought a Souffle was some kinda cake. I want a cake template!

This stuff all looks awesome. I just ordered a 3rd FW hellhound, I wonder if I'll have to convert my squadron to those chemical tanks instead?

There's so much variety.. and it all seems great..

I want to SEE some of these new models. We've seen a conversion for the punisher, but what about the rest of them?

Scottywan82 wrote:
I'm also way interested to see some points costs. How many STs in Valks can I cram into this army? And can we really get STs as members of a command squad instead of guardsmen? Can those STs be upgraded as normal to medics, standard bearers, etc? These are important questions.

Well there is suppose to be a way to take ST as troops, some speculate that is who Lukas Bastionne is. Irregardless that makes 9 squads and a command squad which should be able to take Valks, assuming the troop choice doesn't lose the ability (unlikely as GW wants to sell alot of Valks). We also don't know if the Vendetta fills a FOC or not. It maybe possible to take 10 Valkaries and then 3 Vendettas as (heavy? or fast?).

The rumors seem to suggest that Vendetta's are a FA choice.

I too am wondering how many Valkyries could fit into 1500pts??

I am going to assume they will be around 85 points w/out weapons, comparable to the devil fish, unlike their current point value in IA of around 140pts plus weapons !!

I think that Vendetta's will start at a higher point value and w/weapons I see then skimming over the 100pt mark, my guess will be around 125? Again Vultures start at 100pts and go up from there.

Chappy P!

Wow that is upsetting that Gaunt isn't in the new book. I was hoping he would give special rules for making a Tanith army. I'm going to miss my Hardened fighters, infiltrate, and sharp shooters.

-Sound of angelic choir-

Wow. That pretty much made my day. Which is kind of pathetic in hindsight, but I have my money ready for a pre-ordering blitz so I'm okay.


:edit: It looks like the Grenade Launcher's Blast is now Ap6, and not Ap-. Not that it matters too much, but hey, it helps.

aka_mythos wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I'm also way interested to see some points costs. How many STs in Valks can I cram into this army? And can we really get STs as members of a command squad instead of guardsmen? Can those STs be upgraded as normal to medics, standard bearers, etc? These are important questions.

Well there is suppose to be a way to take ST as troops, some speculate that is who Lukas Bastionne is. Irregardless that makes 9 squads and a command squad which should be able to take Valks, assuming the troop choice doesn't lose the ability (unlikely as GW wants to sell alot of Valks). We also don't know if the Vendetta fills a FOC or not. It maybe possible to take 10 Valkaries and then 3 Vendettas as (heavy? or fast?).

It would be nice if I could take STs in Valks as troops, but I hope I don't have to take a company commander special character to do it. If so, it'll definitely be a tough choice. I'm imagining all the cool rules that will be in place for guys like Mogul Khamir (RRs as troops? Mounted command squads?) or Chenkov or Al'Raheem. Mainly I'm wanting a lot of forward moving, hard-hitting units like ST in Valks, Sentinels, and RRs to scrape other troops choices off an objective and then plod forward with a full company of infantry to capture those objectives for myself.

Certainly for HS, the Medusa looks wicked. But it will need to be considerably cheaper than the Demolisher, despite have an extra foot of range. I can also feel the punisher growing on me as a choice. There's just nothing to compare with laying down a storm of bullets.

I can't imagine more than 5 or 6. You're looking at a 140-150pt Valk and a squad that probably comes in at 120+... thats 260 to 270. You will be lacking fire power... I guess the Master of the Watch and Fleet Officer will help but it still wouldn't be nearly enough.

Scottywan82 wrote:
It would be nice if I could take STs in Valks as troops, but I hope I don't have to take a company commander special character to do it. If so, it'll definitely be a tough choice. I'm imagining all the cool rules that will be in place for guys like Mogul Khamir (RRs as troops? Mounted command squads?) or Chenkov or Al'Raheem. Mainly I'm wanting a lot of forward moving, hard-hitting units like ST in Valks, Sentinels, and RRs to scrape other troops choices off an objective and then plod forward with a full company of infantry to capture those objectives for myself.

Certainly for HS, the Medusa looks wicked. But it will need to be considerably cheaper than the Demolisher, despite have an extra foot of range. I can also feel the punisher growing on me as a choice. There's just nothing to compare with laying down a storm of bullets.

Well it was also rumored that it might be just an upgrade for your commander. Lukas Bastionne... it sounds more like a siege specialist if you ask me, with a name like "Bastion". Who really knows.

Remember with the Medusa and other artillery they don't have much armor and that diminishes their cost.

The 501st Calusian Seige Regiment shall rise again! FOREWARD GUARDSMEN!!!!!! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!! GLORY FOR THE FIRST MAN TO DIE!!!!! CHAAAAAARGE!!!!!!

No one else seemed to notice so I figured I'd put it out there.

Lance-plasma 24ps 7 2 Tir Rapide, Surchauffe

24pt Plasma guns?

I can't see the Valkyrie costing as much as it does now in the IA books? I see it being on par with the devil fish so I see it not costing more than 100pts 125 tops, but I could be wrong.

I see it costing more in IA because of the flyer rules and typically IA tends to overcost some items and under costing others.

Right now I am hoping to squeeze in 6-9 Valkyries/Vendettas personally =D

LSOP wrote:No one else seemed to notice so I figured I'd put it out there.

Lance-plasma 24ps 7 2 Tir Rapide, Surchauffe

24pt Plasma guns?

24ps is the range.

LSOP wrote:No one else seemed to notice so I figured I'd put it out there.

Lance-plasma 24ps 7 2 Tir Rapide, Surchauffe

24pt Plasma guns?

24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

Valkyrie is most likely 90 points.
+15.....Lascannon
+20.....2 Hellstrike rockets
+70.....2 multiple rocket pods

Though I am basing this of the FW IA 2 update.

edit.

I also wonder whether or not the Vendetta will still be able to carry troops. It just carries more weapons under the wing, this shouldn't be a strain on the ability to carry infantry in the rear.

Executioner is Heavy 3 (so I guess it does exist after all Shummy)

Quetzecoatl will claim them for this travesty.

@BrookM: Do you think that the Multiple Rocket Pods will cost that much??

I can see the LasCannon and Hellstrikes costing what you posted, but the MRP's seem a bit high?

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:@BrookM: Do you think that the Multiple Rocket Pods will cost that much??

I can see the LasCannon and Hellstrikes costing what you posted, but the MRP's seem a bit high?

The FW Valkyrie costs 110 pts, that includes the hellstrikes. It costs another +50 to upgrade those to rocket pods. I doubt they'd put in the codex that a Valk would cost 110 pts and that you can replace the Hellstrikes for -20 pts with fuel tanks.

Holy crumble!

Looks like I'm eating crow AGAIN. Delicious, tasty crow. Ogryns with T5 and S5 ripper guns, here I come. I wonder whether Nork Deddog will be an Ogryn upgrade character, or a bodyguard unit like he used to be.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hydra is just Heavy 2... which is really dumb... but Range 72.

Honestly my guess is the hydra will have 4 of them. basicly 8 shots , 4 hits
that makes it slightly better than the current one , 4 shots , 3 hits( twin-linked).
Personally I think it makes more since with more shots, over the twin-linking, I do have to say though I hope they dropped the anti-air mount, because in a normal game of 40k its not worth 200 point ( hell its not 200 points good with flyers). Im thinking with the armor it has, and the fact it most likely will be a heavy it should be around the 50 point mark ( giving up a tank, similar fire power to a chimera with a heavy stubber, open topped).

If i had to make a guess GW is heading in a direction of put more lead/energy in the air over acuracy. The Punisher being a good example, and the fact the only twin-linked weapon in the army I see is the exterminator cannon.

BrookM wrote:Valkyrie is most likely 90 points.
+15.....Lascannon
+20.....2 Hellstrike rockets
+70.....2 multiple rocket pods

Though I am basing this of the FW IA 2 update.

edit.

I also wonder whether or not the Vendetta will still be able to carry troops. It just carries more weapons under the wing, this shouldn't be a strain on the ability to carry infantry in the rear.

I think if they price it like that it will be under priced. Its fast, its better armored than a chimera, and troops can jump out of it on the move. I think it'd probably start off at 80-90 and upgrade weapons from there. Its at least twice as good as a chimera before you upgrade weapons and mount rockets. GW will probably have this under priced on points to get people to buy it, but that doesn't mean it will be a big point discount.

Maybe it'll be something like a valkyrie can be a transport option for a squad, but a vendetta will count as a FA choice and can carry 10 men..?

Necros wrote:Maybe it'll be something like a valkyrie can be a transport option for a squad, but a vendetta will count as a FA choice and can carry 10 men..?

As a dedicated transport. I could see that happen.

I want to know what the "Fulgurant" is. It doesn't match up to any unit and a STR4 AP5 Assault 2 24" gun sounds quite nice!

Dexy wrote:I want to know what the "Fulgurant" is. It doesn't match up to any unit and a STR4 AP5 Assault 2 24" gun sounds quite nice!

Well, Fulgurant can translate to "Lightning", so I'd say it's the Stormbolter, since that's what those stats match.

Storm Bolter?

Ack... beat me.
It has a storm bolters stats and since we can still mount them on tanks...