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of to order 6 leman russ to convert and another 3 boxes of guardsman and 3 boxes of heavy weapon teams

oh wait 3 starters of guard are cheaper ok let's order those

good that I can handel plastic guard reasenable wel so I can convert my own turrets

omg my wallet is gonna hate me

in the emperors name we fight

Now I'm regretting not buying that box of 10 russes on black friday that was 40% off :(

foil7102 wrote:[. . .] take a PF to the tail pipe [. . .]

sounds painful. . . I like to keep fists out of my tailpipe, but hey, guard players can do what they want

Something I noticed: It appears that Veteran HW teams have BS 4. I'm not sure how you go about making a HW team a veteran, of course, but the thought of possibly having all my HWs at BS4 tickles me in ways I cannot describe in polite company.

Also, I think it's frikkin' AWESOME that they appear to have brought back almost every special character short of Macharius himself, but I'd have like to see a few more new ideas. Though I'll reserve judgement until I see how cool this so-called-artillery sergent is.


The fact that the Deathstrike is in! and has 12 side armor makes me almost as giddy as the fact that 13 side armor is now standard on all Russ! PRAISE BE THE EMPEROR!

Correct me if I'm wrong, though, but they dropped the Commissar in wounds from 2 to 1, did they not?

Bah, the Commissar Lord more than makes up for that. Sniper Commissar to the rescue!

aka_mythos wrote:

BrookM wrote:Valkyrie is most likely 90 points.
+15.....Lascannon
+20.....2 Hellstrike rockets
+70.....2 multiple rocket pods

Though I am basing this of the FW IA 2 update.

edit.

I also wonder whether or not the Vendetta will still be able to carry troops. It just carries more weapons under the wing, this shouldn't be a strain on the ability to carry infantry in the rear.

I think if they price it like that it will be under priced. Its fast, its better armored than a chimera, and troops can jump out of it on the move. I think it'd probably start off at 80-90 and upgrade weapons from there. Its at least twice as good as a chimera before you upgrade weapons and mount rockets. GW will probably have this under priced on points to get people to buy it, but that doesn't mean it will be a big point discount.

I will be honest, if its 90 points with just the multi-laser,and door heavy bolters ( the ones that will never shoot since they are strength 5 and it will never move less than 12 inchs), Its still only gojng to carry 12 guys who are not going to assault, and even with ap 3 hell guns it's still only str 3. I won't use it. I would pay 60 points for it they way, and maybe 90 for it with rocket pods, Its still has paper ish armor and fast means its has a 4+ cover but still dosen't make up for the fact a Chimera for 55 points is packing 9 shots carries 12 and can move 12 inchs and has the same front armor.

AlexCage wrote:Something I noticed: It appears that Veteran HW teams have BS 4. I'm not sure how you go about making a HW team a veteran, of course, but the thought of possibly having all my HWs at BS4 tickles me in ways I cannot describe in polite company.

Also, I think it's frikkin' AWESOME that they appear to have brought back almost every special character short of Macharius himself, but I'd have like to see a few more new ideas. Though I'll reserve judgement until I see how cool this so-called-artillery sergent is.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though, but they dropped the Commissar in wounds from 2 to 1, did they not?

All the heavy weapon teams in all units are now 2 wound models sharing a single base. The Veteran Heavy weapon team are your heavy weapon operating guardsmen from a Veteran Squad.

The volume of classic special characters is awesome.

Yes the commissar came down, but that because he's now a unit upgrade.

Wasn't there rumours it was move 24" and still fire all weapons?

AlexCage wrote:Something I noticed: It appears that Veteran HW teams have BS 4. I'm not sure how you go about making a HW team a veteran, of course, but the thought of possibly having all my HWs at BS4 tickles me in ways I cannot describe in polite company.
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Bah, the Commissar Lord more than makes up for that. Sniper Commissar to the rescue!

Veteran heavy weapon team is on the same page as veterans and veteran sergeants. Wild guess says it's just a heavy weapons team in a hardened veterans squad.

As always, it is funny that all of the BS5 characters are pistoleros.

Raxmei wrote:

AlexCage wrote:Something I noticed: It appears that Veteran HW teams have BS 4. I'm not sure how you go about making a HW team a veteran, of course, but the thought of possibly having all my HWs at BS4 tickles me in ways I cannot describe in polite company.
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Bah, the Commissar Lord more than makes up for that. Sniper Commissar to the rescue!

Veteran heavy weapon team is on the same page as veterans and veteran sergeants. Wild guess says it's just a heavy weapons team in a hardened veterans squad.

Oh well durr. I guess that makes sense. If only I'd have thought about it.



Guess being grouped together like that threw me off.

Possibly another "Durr" moment, but what the hell is :
Obus Brise-forteresses 48ps 10 1 Lourde 1, Explosion* 53?

I find it odd that this isn't classified as "Artillerie". And it looks like all the other tanks are already accounted for.

Edit: Durr. Yeah, Bunker buster round for, what I can only guess is the Medusa. I still find it very odd it's not ordnance.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Executioner is Heavy 3 (so I guess it does exist after all Shummy)

Quetzecoatl will claim them for this travesty.

That would be heavy 3 blast, not just heavy 3.

Dammit, it seems to be gone already.

Recklessfable wrote:Dammit, it seems to be gone already.

If you read the thread you will see that it has been uploaded to the Dakka gallery.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:If you can't see I put a JPG in the gallery
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/20411-2009%20IG%20reference%20sheet%20%28French%29.html

AlexCage wrote:Possibly another "Durr" moment, but what the hell is :
Obus Brise-forteresses 48ps 10 1 Lourde 1, Explosion* 53?

I find it odd that this isn't classified as "Artillerie". And it looks like all the other tanks are already accounted for.

Edit: Durr. Yeah, Bunker buster round for, what I can only guess is the Medusa. I still find it very odd it's not ordnance.

It doesn't need to be Ordnance if it has the rumored +D6 AP against vehichles, which supercedes the Ordnance rule.

It looks like one of the Russ varient turrets will be a plasmacannon that's heavy 3.

The Executioner sounds cool. I might get a few of those.

Capt K

I might have to buy those blisters of Ogryns that have been gathering dust at my FLGS for the past year or two....

I may need to load up on more melta guns for STs so they can para-drop and then slag a unit of space marines.

If I ever get my Nocturne (Salamanders Homeworld) themed IG army off the ground, I'm gonna be loading up on so many of these tank variants it'll be ridiculous. Especially the Hellhound variants. (Any guesses for real names for them? Cerberus?)

chaplaingrabthar wrote:If I ever get my Nocturne (Salamanders Homeworld) themed IG army off the ground, I'm gonna be loading up on so many of these tank variants it'll be ridiculous. Especially the Hellhound variants. (Any guesses for real names for them? Cerberus?)

I'm pretty sure that the english names for the hellhound variants will be the same as they are in french, and spanish.

Has everyone seen the english translated pdf? Link here:
http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3306977&postcount=1067

the translated one says a hellhound is heavy? stormtroopers are fast attack? maybe I missed that before...

Grain of salt.

As mythos pointed out, the page references are more likely the references for the ules section, and not the army list section and therefore have nothing to do with the FOC.

Im so glad that the worst part of these rumors, if true which is likely, is that I'm going to have to get so many new tanks. Except my wallet won't like that.

It sounds like the HW teams are going to be handled somewhat liek Skaven jezzails.

Balance wrote:It sounds like the HW teams are going to be handled somewhat liek Skaven jezzails.

Or like Space Marine Attack Bikes.

Maybe it's just that I don't like being wrong after championing all of Mkoll's rumors from Boot Camp, but am I the only Guard player who's not jumping up and down about this? I think part of my beef with it is that it just all feels so...fanboy.

I was kind of scornful of Agamemnon2's pessimistic attitude at some of the earlier rumors, but now I'm afraid I've got it. Yeah, I mocked the possibility of 22 tanks and I mocked the Spanish rumors. Because it just seemed way too OTT.

Here's my concern: how long did it take Ork players to look at their new list and pare away all the extraneous stuff to give us 3 powerlists (Nob Bikers, Foot-Slogging Horde, Battlewagon/Trukk Spam)? Not long. Sure, GW's giving us some monster list of tanks that we'll be able to use and all these other cool goodies. How long will it take before we see all the chaff stripped away and we're down to a few powerbuilds? Not long, I figure.

Not long at all, but that would be true no matter what they gave us. At least now we can also build omega-fluffy lists as well as the 2-3 powerbuilds that will be al you ever see at tournaments.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Here's my concern: how long did it take Ork players to look at their new list and pare away all the extraneous stuff to give us 3 powerlists (Nob Bikers, Foot-Slogging Horde, Battlewagon/Trukk Spam)? Not long. Sure, GW's giving us some monster list of tanks that we'll be able to use and all these other cool goodies. How long will it take before we see all the chaff stripped away and we're down to a few powerbuilds? Not long, I figure.

If the IG get three powerbuilds with as much diversity in tactics & unit selection as the three ork archetypes you highlight, I will be THRILLED. While "Nob bikers" is a fairly narrow build, both of the other archetypes you mention have quite a bit of room for diversity of selection and playstyle.

Guard will always equal guns; it's already narrower in overall scope than the ork codex. It is nice to see this much diversity of firepower, as it increases the probability that there will be several completely different competitive builds.

Well the simple fact is you can always pare down a list and game the system more than playing the game. Its just the nature of any system. I think this list comes a bit better than all that though, until we see the point costs and no for sure, it seems most of the leman russ tanks are relatively similar in capabilities and the assault versions are all relatively similar to the demolisher. Everything seems to have some slight variation, which will allow individual play style and tactics to have more impact.

I've never understood the fascination of taking one of these preconceived power gamer lists and building your army around it. You might as well buy a boxed army, because you're cheating yourself out of the satisfaction of winning something entirely on your own. On the flip side, I've seen people who were so poor at playing no power gamer list could help them.