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Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

I'm the resident grammar Nazi. Deal with it.

More like, you're the resident "massive over-stater". It's serious business to trivialize what the Nazi Party accomplished versus something like a teenager attempting to correct the structure of an entirely facetious post that isn't governed by redundancy.

Deal with it.

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

I'm the resident grammar Nazi. Deal with it.

More like, you're the resident "massive over-stater". It's serious business to trivialize what the Nazi Party accomplished versus something like a teenager attempting to correct the structure of an entirely facetious post that isn't governed by redundancy.

Deal with it.

Oh DO go on, I was hoping you might eventually get to the rumors as opposed to this... distraction [/hedonismbot]

That actually was pretty funny. As you wish.

Well, to start - I remember someone (one of the dev's) being quoted as saying that Grey Knights weren't in the cards or something to that effect last year, and that they had just been started.

I remember, this one fellow from Warseer I think, stating that he has contact with someone in the team (again, just rumors but that's what we're here for) and said that over some drinks in a pub at Nottingham he gleaned some Grey Knight Info.

The models are being discussed, over on Warseer in the 2010 model thread - by some gent who claims to have seen new releases meant for 2010 and beyond, or alongside the battle missions release.

BrassScorpion is now stating something to the effect of "Think, lighter colors" and that, to me implies Grey Knights - out of the Inquisition. Forgeworld worked on that Inquisitor terminator last year I believe? And signs seem to be pointing towards Grey Knights later this year.

So those are some rumors for you. I'm too lazy to quote sources and find posts, but scouring BOLS, DD and BattleProphet will help one put the pieces together.

hmm Silver is lighter than black....maybe I can join the massed hordes of rumor mongers now and have my expectations dashed too!

Hasn't Necrons been 'about a year away' for like 2 years now? I heard they even had an author on it and everything (Matt Ward).

Considering how screwed they got by 5E rules compared to any other army, I really do think they deserve it.

But then again, an =][= codex would be cool: SoB needing 50 point rhinos is just stupid.

I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

Ostrakon wrote:Hasn't Necrons been 'about a year away' for like 2 years now? I heard they even had an author on it and everything (Matt Ward).

Only if you believe known pranks and April Fools jokes. They were never coming last year, and were generally considered improbable-to-an-outside-chance at the end of this year.

I'm pretty sure they would combine both books into one and cancel out the ally system. Guard codex is strong enough.

You remember back in the day that the game designers talked about changing their codecies away from requiring other books and moving to having each codex be a standalone?

...

With Space Wolves redone and blood angels on the horizon, the only codex that "requires" other codecies is the hugely obsolete inquisition codex.

This is all conjecture and has no basis on rumors or knowledge from anybody. You can bet that if I knew for sure I would not post about it.

From what I have gathered it doesn't seem like GW are particularly keen to redo the Inquisition codices for whatever reason. Doing them as one book goes against their current trend of doing stand alone books but doing them as multiple books they seem to see as too much work for a fringe (i.e not Marines) army.

The problem is that leaving them as they are leaves GW with a real thorn in their side as far as balancing is concerned, the Inquisition codices can produce some potentially nasty combinations with the 5th edition armies which they will always have to base things around until the update them.

In any case they probably need model updates more than they need rules updates, plastic SoB, plastic Grey Knights and plastic Stormtroopers so they are actually affordable to collect.

I expect Necrons or Dark Eldar to come after Blood Angels. Depending on the release schedule and whether we see 3 or 4 40k updates this year really. Whatever happens I think Dark Eldar won't be a Nov/Dec release (not hugely marketable) so either 4 releases this year and they come before Necrons or 3 releases and we see them next year.

Codex Inquisition makes a large degree of sense for a lot of reason, but MAN it still makes me a grumpy gus for the poor Necron and DE players out there.

Well.. from the infomation we've gathered up we can come to 3 logical choices after blood angels

Likelyhood in order from top to bottom...

-Inquisition Codex
-Necron Codex
-Tau Codex

As of Mid December turn that list upside down Superscope.

Tau..... don't need it yet. Black Templars need it more
Inqustion Codex
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Black Templars
Squats!
Tau
This list was developed by people who believe it to be so!

Kurgash wrote:hmm Silver is lighter than black....maybe I can join the massed hordes of rumor mongers now and have my expectations dashed too!

Everything is lighter than black. I think that was kind of the tongue-in-cheek point of the hint.

Asherian Command wrote:Tau..... don't need it yet. Black Templars need it more
Inqustion Codex
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Black Templars
Squats!
Tau
This list was developed by people who believe it to be so!

What a whole new army? I figure there will be a now SM Chapter before a new xeno army.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:As of Mid December turn that list upside down Superscope.

I hope not.

Although Crons are hurting (possibly the most? I don't play every army so I have no idea), I have no problem with other armies getting codices that need them. So far we had SM and IG (most popular, makes sense they'd get them first), SW (neglected for too long) and Tyranids (no idea if it was necessary, based on what some people I know say it was).

If =][= got it, that'd be cool because their codices are miserably outdated. And I'd love to see some Deathwatch rules, or maybe even the ability to field more assassins.

Same goes for DE, they need it.

But Tau doesn't need it.

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Demogerg wrote:
What?

Dark Eldar was released back in 98'

Dark Eldar's Second edition 3rd Edition book came out in 2k3 (this was the one that included Vect as playable, Vehicle upgrades such as Night Shields etc, Arcane Wargear, and other special characters as well as misc changes to various units)


As far as SW is concerned... For some reason I recalled them being mixed up in the 4th edition linup with BT, DA, etc... my B

About 90% of the changes to the second printing of the book were merely inclusions of changes that were originally presented in a White Dwarf article and an update for vehicle upgrades that appeared on GW's website.

Leggy wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Ugh, I hope not. Everything regarding the Inquisition I've read regarding cooperation has been something like this:

1) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, takes care of situation even though he's not Hereticus because that's his job.
2) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, dumps problem in lap of Ordo Hereticus.
or, worse
3) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, not his problem, doesn't tell anyone.

The fluff for Daemons and Chaos space marines makes bugger all sense compared to the old fluff, GW change the fluff to suit their current needs. I haven't actually got a problem with that, as long as the new fluff is interesting and well written.

Ostrakon wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Ugh, I hope not. Everything regarding the Inquisition I've read regarding cooperation has been something like this:

1) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, takes care of situation even though he's not Hereticus because that's his job.
2) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, dumps problem in lap of Ordo Hereticus.
or, worse
3) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, not his problem, doesn't tell anyone.

GW could go the way of each Ordo has it's own specialty, but they take care of what needs to be done. If the problem is over one Ordos head they call in the right one or call for backup. But that would make the fluff logical so who knows.

See, the Ordos face the same problem that the U.S. intelligence community did before 9/11. What they need is for the High Lords to establish a fact-finding commission that will ultimately command that the Ordos need to do more intelligence sharing. Ultimately, the Office of Universeland Security will be formed to oversee all the Ordos. So much for being answerable only to themselves.

Leggy wrote:Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Genestealer Cults are WAY below the Death Watch. There is fluff of Priests successfully leading regular people against Genestealer Cults, so you definitely do not need the specialists in. The Ordo Xenos deals with the threat of new, unknown aliens, not bog-standard ones you see every day like Orks and Genestealer Hybrids. The Sisters fluff has them taking out Genestealer and Chaos cults all the time. Again, Chaos Cults are below the Grey Knights. They wait until the only residents on the planet are Bloodthirsters, THEN they mobilise.

Personally, I cannot see there being any possibility of Ordo Xenos making an appearance. Perhaps some fluff, but that is all. Based on the rumours going around, I am expecting Codex: Inquisition, which will be Grey Knights with generic Inquisition, then Codex: Ecclesiarchy, for the Sisters. Wishlisting? Perhaps, but based on interpretations of the words of the reliable rumourmongers. I studied the entrails of thirteen heretics to come up with this prediction!

Elric of Grans wrote:

Leggy wrote:Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Genestealer Cults are WAY below the Death Watch. There is fluff of Priests successfully leading regular people against Genestealer Cults, so you definitely do not need the specialists in. The Ordo Xenos deals with the threat of new, unknown aliens, not bog-standard ones you see every day like Orks and Genestealer Hybrids. The Sisters fluff has them taking out Genestealer and Chaos cults all the time. Again, Chaos Cults are below the Grey Knights. They wait until the only residents on the planet are Bloodthirsters, THEN they mobilise.

Personally, I cannot see there being any possibility of Ordo Xenos making an appearance. Perhaps some fluff, but that is all. Based on the rumours going around, I am expecting Codex: Inquisition, which will be Grey Knights with generic Inquisition, then Codex: Ecclesiarchy, for the Sisters. Wishlisting? Perhaps, but based on interpretations of the words of the reliable rumourmongers. I studied the entrails of thirteen heretics to come up with this prediction!

Yeah but the fluff also has each branch mopping up others' work too. Eisenhorn (the book) has Deathwatch helping to kill traitor marines and heretics (albeit on a crazy alien planet).

There's no reason why Deathwatch wouldn't be sent in to help with Genestealer cults if the local PDFs and IG failed pretty miserably. And it's not like they don't get sent in to deal with regular nids in certain situations. I'm pretty sure they were the ones doing cleanup on the 5th Cain book.

"Think a lighter color armor for later in 2010. "

I've got it, dump Black Templars completely and do Codex: White Templars!

Hi !

One aspect that have not much been put ahead here are figurines. You all know that GW is mainly a fig' producer, and its army book editor part is secondary to this.

What I feel right about this rumor of =I= and/or adeptus Sororitas codex is revamping of figurines range. They are all pewter alloy-made armies now. And tin became really expensive since 2008. So this must end. Note that recent codexes get rid of many metal or mixed plastic / metal squads. For example : IG command and tanks, SW troops & terminators, Tyranid gargoyles etc...

So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Ravajaxe wrote:
So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Plastic DE models:

Warriors

Raiders

Reaver Jetbikes

Metal DE models:

Grotesque
Talos
Vect
All other Special Characters
Mandrakes
Warp Beasts
Wyches
Incubi
Archon/Drachon/Archite/Drachite
Hellions
Scourges
Haemonculi

Plastic Necron's:
Monolith
Scarabs
Warriors
Destroyers

Metal Necrons
Tombspiders
Lords
Special Characters
Immortals
Pariahs
Flayed Ones
Wraiths

You see, that's all well and good, but there's not a plastic model in the Daemonhunters army that's plastic, with the exception of the handful of models they borrow from Marines. Same for Sisters, but at least they get immolators!

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Ravajaxe wrote:
So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Plastic DE models:

Warriors
Raiders
Reaver Jetbikes

Metal DE models:
* snip *

Plastic Necron's:
Monolith
Scarabs
Warriors
Destroyers

Metal Necrons
* snip *

this is definetly not a negligible proportion of plastic.
=I= and Sororitas situation is not sustainable anymore (mostly for new players perspective).
I'm even surprised this move have not occured yet. Sisters is basically a 2nd edition range in stasis.

These figurines are very nice by the way.

For whoever is saying Tau don't need a new codex: we are generic. Bland. Options and interesting accessories have been removed or toned down. The importance of PG/MP jump, shoot, jump vaporized when cover saves became so freaking universal.

It's not as needed as Necrons, DE, or Inquisition... but there are a whole lot more players for Tau than probably those three combined (dwarfed again themselves by SM of course).

GW seems to be releasing things in order of what sells well. Why would they release DE when there is NO guarantee that people would pony up the money for them? Ditto for Necrons... to a point.

Go go Tau: marketable, mostly plastic already, and needing a freshening up.