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I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

Flesh Tearers are Fleet based Marines. Fleet USR that is
And the BA have winged models.

saryrn wrote:I am hearing that Dark Eldar are going to be released in October.

I guess you're kidding.
DE will never be re-released.

I definitely hope you are right Elric. I definitely thought that when I read the hints, and am really hoping that they do some good things with Deathwing, like 10 man squads (pretty dumb with Deathwing assault, I know), especially considering the whole thing that every one says; "Space Wolves do it better." Boils my blood every time I hear it.
Make the Special Characters a bit better (especially Belial, God does he need a boost.)
Update the costs on the other units, and we are gold.

If DA get an update, that'd be awfully quick, I think.

I hope I am wrong. Nothing but Marines sounds like a positively dreadful prospect. Still, Games Workshop has been working quite hard lately at ensuring I save money.

I heard Necrons were coming sometime in December 2010.

It's going to be, oh wait I am not telling. I know but you all will have to wait. Sorry not going to let it slip, you all almost got me but nope, not going to tell you. I do know though, just wait and see. If I am wrong you guys will be the first to know. Really though I do know. It's pretty obvious, come on I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I could tell you but I don't want to. I do know though, really I do. Just wait and you all will see that I am right.

Elric of Grans wrote:I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

All of these tidbits come from Harry on Warseer, who said in that very same thread quite clearly if I recall rightly (a rarity from him, since the rumor crackdown he has become the master of vague) that Dark Angels were not the other half.

GW is doing Marine, then non-Marine for releases. If Dark Angels or Black Templars actually do get redone in the near future, they wouldn't be right after each other. I think even GW knows how bad that sort of saturation would be for business.

I just had the thought that they might release plastic models for Sisters and/or Grey Knights before they actually get a codex. I think that's pretty preposterous, but it's a thought. They used to do things like that all the time.

LiberatedObject wrote:I definitely hope you are right Elric. I definitely thought that when I read the hints, and am really hoping that they do some good things with Deathwing, like 10 man squads (pretty dumb with Deathwing assault, I know), especially considering the whole thing that every one says; "Space Wolves do it better." Boils my blood every time I hear it.
Make the Special Characters a bit better (especially Belial, God does he need a boost.)
Update the costs on the other units, and we are gold.

Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Defiler wrote:why isn't my book coming out first etc.

Because they're a terrible idea that didn't sell the first time?

Just guessing here

Anyway for what little it's worth Inquisition was the hint the local Red Shirts are dropping, pointing out they can't reorder the big =I=.

If we get that I promise to do the happy dance.

Play Dawn of War, and play Dark Eldar.

Dark Eldar are badass (even though their minis aren't).

Elric of Grans wrote:I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

Sorry, the "other half" is actually the Flesh Tearers, like lord_blackfang said. They are a pretty big deal in the codex (big enough to represent "half the story") and they're based around the Fleet USR. That's a good thing, we don't need back to back Codex: Random Wacky Marines releases.

Gavo wrote:I heard Necrons were coming sometime in December 2010.

Plenty of conflicting information points to a "Who The Hell Knows" release date!

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

Ironhide wrote:
Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

This is true, but doesn't make what I said untrue.

And the blood angels don't have currently a WD codex? they have been around just as long

bhsman wrote:

Ironhide wrote:
Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

This is true, but doesn't make what I said untrue.

Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Try Rogue Trader, when they wore black armor and the Primarch was Lynn Algonsin.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

Play Dawn of War,

No.

and play Dark Eldar.

No.

Dark Eldar are badass (even though their minis aren't).

You're half right

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Probably the same reason that they are releasing BA and have BT and SW(though they are arguably different enough). They operate just differently enough to warrant a seperate book.

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Oh yes, their recycling rules and 'can't we all just get along' attack were vastly different from the vanilla chapters. Not mention their big flamers.

Vhalyar wrote:Sorry, the "other half" is actually the Flesh Tearers, like lord_blackfang said. They are a pretty big deal in the codex (big enough to represent "half the story") and they're based around the Fleet USR. That's a good thing, we don't need back to back Codex: Random Wacky Marines releases.

Thank God, that is a real relief! I was not looking forward to that prospect.

LiberatedObject wrote:Probably the same reason that they are releasing BA and have BT and SW(though they are arguably different enough). They operate just differently enough to warrant a seperate book.

Their third edition book was 95% `refer to Codex: Space Marines'. They are not that different. As KK said, they could be represented by a couple of Special Characters. One allows an all-Termie army, the other allows an all Bike/Landspeeder army. 95% of the complaints from Dark Angels players are that the rest of their Codex is currently different to Codex: Space Marines, so just putting them into Codex: Space Marines would have made everyone happier. The Blood Angels could have been the same: a Special Character that swaps Combat Tactics for Furious Charge and grants Feels No Pain to a single Tactical Squad (`Death Company'). The Iron Clad could have then been renamed `Furioso' and we would be done. Black Templars could then be eaten by the Nids, Space Wolves drink themselves into extinction and Ultramarines start up a new company called `Games Workshop' where they spend all day promoting themselves, despite not actually being good for anything. Sounds like a plan!

I think Dark Angels in their current state could easily be in Codex Marines with some special characters. The same could be said of Blood Angels with their White Dwarf codex. Space Wolves have always been a lot different though.

Regardless, GW is doing their best to make it so these new codices aren't just copy and pasted sections of the vanilla Marines codex. If Dark Angels get redone, they'll probably have a whole slew of new rules and units that set them apart from codex Marines and Blood Angels.

Yea man, why does every state get to have their own football team? They should just have a single 'America' team that you just take a different quaterback to unlock different players, so for better passing and armor you'd only get to field a few dudes.

Now who would fit with rugby to complete this analogy: IG or Orkz?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Oh yes, their recycling rules and 'can't we all just get along' attack were vastly different from the vanilla chapters. Not mention their big flamers.

Plus they were a founding legion.

And for some reason the Sisters of Battle really, really hated the Rainbow Warriors.

Personally I play the Rainbow Space Shark Warriors. They get absolutely NO love from GW. At all.

So I think that the next Space Marine codex should be Rainbow Warriors/Space Sharks.

Finally get the attention they deserve!

Where's the Waaambulance when you need it?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Where's the Waaambulance when you need it?

Busy with Dark Eldar players.

Honestly, by "half the story" I assume they are just trying to be interesting. Kinda like how the 'nid codex mentions tau and now a lot of people seem to think this is a harbinger of a tau 'dex. (I may be getting my stories crossed it's 4 in the morning here and I'm going to sleep.)