Codex after Blood Angels???

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**Ostrakon**

Mellon wrote:
Kveldulv wrote:
One thing comes to mind, though. I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next. Heard some stuff got changed from Rouge Trader to 2nd ed., but I think that was it. Though lower WS and I combined with mebbe T5, FNP and fearless would make sense fluffwise... Necron warriors aren't vicious cc monsters, they just take an extreme amount of punishment before going down.

A lot of basic unit stats changed from RT (SPM with T3 is my favourite example) to 2nd (where models still had a movement stat and armor saves worked as in whfb) and then again to 3rd ed (where you really had to use basic units to good effect if you wanted to win). And then some stats changed when each army got it's first proper codex in 3rd ed. But since then the power increase has primarily been done by adding new "special" units, keeping basic troops at their old statline but with a lower cost and some new special rules. All the while making old special rules less powerful by issuing new BRBs (I still remember the eldar howl of whine when their precious fleet move was made commonly available). I think grots got BS3 with the 5ed codex (but they are not really basic troops), Tyranid warriors have gained +1W and -1S since 3rd ed. I'm sure some other things have changed but I can't think of any. In the light of this, I think the necrons will stay pretty much the same stats. They will gain a bunch of special rules, among wich will be a bunch of low points/high $$$ vehicles/big models, maybe even transports (!). They will gain more strange deployment options and some must-have units that are completely new.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess a 2 point reduction (at least) on every model in the army, if only so they can sell more.

**kiwitexansfan**

InquisitorBob wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:
the trend has been a codex dissapears or is listed as no longer available on their website and a month or so later they announce the release coming.
In this case it will be a bit more than a couple months, but the logic is otherwise sound.

So BA, something else, Inquisition, in that order? >.>

I believe it normally goes 40k WFB, 40k WFB so I think we are looking at Beastmen, Blood Angels, some other WFB stuff, Inquisition maybe?

**JohnHwangDD**

Ostrakon wrote:I would LOVE for there to be some kind of 'cron walker or skimmer dread. Or a transport.

I think one of the big things they're missing is a designated heavy "infantry unit", so I'd love to see them get a Dread or Obliterator equivalent.

And I'm worried about them being completely terrible in CC. (I mean, they already are already) but it seems to me that Tau is the designated shooty army that completely blows in melee. Fluff depicts crons as being decent in melee, but only if for some reason their enemies haven't been completely gauss-flayed beforehand.

Their current statline is fine, (with rending added to gauss weapons, rending melee if you pay for disruption fields perhaps?) but with stubborn or fearless so they can't get outright swept so easily.

I don't want to be playing a supercheese army.

Oh, I don't think Necrons will end up a supercheese army. Far from it.

But they'll be better and more flexible, I imagine.

I can't see conventional Transports, but I definitely expect to see teleporters of some sort to support Deep Strike on and across the board.

I think some kind of Dread and Oblit are very possible and likely. Remember, the Necron list grows with each release (I remember when Necrons were just a half-dozen models in 2E).

Tau are the GEQ shooters who totally suck in HtH; Necrons are the MEQ shooters who totally suck in HtH.

Necrons probably would get Fearless, handling the CC sweep problem, or else have some H&R-like option to teleport into Reserves.
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Kveldulv wrote:I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next.

Well... define basic. Eldar changed a lot from 2E to 3E, with WLs & WG going from AVs to T&W, along with Shuricats sucking big time. DA went from Bolter to B&BP in 4E, while CSM went from Bolter or BP&CCW to B&BP&CCW in 5E.

Necrons, of course, had a huge change from 2E to 3E.

**Elric of Grans**

kiwitexansfan wrote:I believe it normally goes 40k WFB, 40k WFB so I think we are looking at Beastmen, Blood Angels, some other WFB stuff, Inquisition maybe?

There is a... small amount of Fantasy stuff coming out after Blood Angels

**JohnHwangDD**

By small amount, you mean a new rulebook & starter, aling with some random army book? Yeah.

**Elric of Grans**

*psst* You forgot the Summer Campaign and the second- (third-, fourth-, whatever) waves for several armies, such as Dark Elves. This is a really small thing that no one has noticed yet, so keep it quiet!

*puts the collar of his coat up to the brim of his hat and slinks into the fog*

**SagesStone**

Elric of Grans wrote:This is a really small thing that no one has noticed yet, so keep it quiet!

*puts the collar of his coat up to the brim of his hat and slinks into the fog*

**Kveldulv**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Kveldulv wrote:I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next.
Well... define basic. Eldar changed a lot from 2E to 3E, with WLs & WG going from AVs to T&W, along with Shuricats sucking big time. DA went from Bolter to B&BP in 4E, while CSM went from Bolter or BP&CCW to B&BP&CCW in 5E.

Necrons, of course, had a huge change from 2E to 3E.

All I meant was that SMs have had all their 4s and 1s in their stat sheet as long as I can remember, same with Eldar Guardians & Imperial Guardsmen and their 3s and so on and so forth. That's why I think the stipulated major revamp of the Necron Warrior stats a few posts up is unlikely to happen.

**Praxiss**

An inquisition coeex woudl be interesting. I don't own any of thwe armies but you also dont see many of them around. A new codex might bring a few nice looking armies to the table.

**SagesStone**

Maybe, but I'm waiting to see how much they butcher my SoB army

Cheaper Rhinos would be nice though. But, I'm sure the list will be more restrictive, you probably won't get to build the Canoness and stuff from scratch, but I guess it might be better if it's done like the other Codices. It would be good if they kept the ally rule though, and finally the Immolator SoB wouldn't be the only plastic SoB.

**Elric of Grans**

How could the Sisters possibly get more restrictive? You either field Sisters with Flamers or Sisters with Meltas. Your only other choices are Sisters with Jump Packs (not a real choice), Sisters in Rhinos, Sisters in Immolators, or a singular Sister of Flying Cheese. Are you suggesting they will take away the Melta option?

**chaplaingrabthar**

Elric of Grans wrote:How could the Sisters possibly get more restrictive? You either field Sisters with Flamers or Sisters with Meltas. Your only other choices are Sisters with Jump Packs (not a real choice), Sisters in Rhinos, Sisters in Immolators, or a singular Sister of Flying Cheese. Are you suggesting they will take away the Melta option?

I'm sure SoB will retain at least as much variety as Necrons.

**Noobtodagame**

So practically none

**LiberatedObject**

chaplaingrabthar wrote:
I'm sure SoB will retain at least as much variety as Necrons.

Funny how that isn't saying much.

**J.Black**

@Elric: You forgot to mention Sisters with d6 krak missiles, don't worry though; I'm sure GW will find a way to make even that more restrictive

**Archonate**

I keep getting the sensation that GW feels deeply ashamed anytime they have to work on a non-imperial codex. And since disappointed fans say hurtful things and frighten GW, they're afraid to speak up when developing such an army.

**snowman40k**

Like I was thinking aloud in another post..

Back in the days of space crusade, marines carried ass.cannons, not terminators. Chaos, 'Androids' (someone say necrons), and Dreadnoughts all fought together with orks and gretchin.

My point is that GW will chop/change anything/everything just to see what works... who knows what they'll come up with for a new 'dex...?

**Gargskull**

I hope Necrons get some cool new stuff, I always liked how they looked but hated how few models there were.

**UltraPrime**

snowman40k wrote:Like I was thinking aloud in another post..

Back in the days of space crusade, marines carried ass.cannons, not terminators. Chaos, 'Androids' (someone say necrons), and Dreadnoughts all fought together with orks and gretchin.

My point is that GW will chop/change anything/everything just to see what works... who knows what they'll come up with for a new 'dex...?

That was only for that mass-market board game. Established fluff at that time disagreed.

**sirisaacnuton**

gorgon wrote: And Necrons might be in the same category. When they were the powergaming army of choice they had a big following, but they've fallen very, very far since.

But followings like that will come right back around if they become powerful again. People who drop an army because rules or metagame changes nerf its ability to win will pick it up again if it regains the ability to win. I think the consideration from GW's end is really more about the non-powergaming group, and whether they'll have enough popular following to do well.

Honestly, I think they should have released Necrons around the time that Terminator: Salvation hit. It's hard to imagine a better time to relaunch the Termi--I mean, Necron army. They could even have infiltrating/outflanking Necrons that are disguised as humans...either 7-foot tall steroid-infused monsters or 5-foot petite teenagers.

**JohnHwangDD**

I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

Necrons could use one of these!

**Kurgash**

That, with enough gauss cannons to never want to stock up on vast amounts of destroyers, spread the points elsewhere.

**Ostrakon**

JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

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Necrons could use one of these!

Yeah, like the Monolith isn't enough of a pain to assemble, we need something like that.

Now the question becomes, what does a Necron dread look like? A big, bulky warrior, or something more akin to a bipedal tomb spyder?

I could totally see something like

WS 4 BS 4 S 7 13/12/10 I3 A2 with living metal as per the monolith, a warscythe instead of a DCCW, and some form of gauss weapon.

**Noobtodagame**

That could be brutal. AV 13 in CC with no double pen. Be prepared to pay, especially with having a built in warscythe.

**Ostrakon**

Noobtodagame wrote:That could be brutal. AV 13 in CC with no double pen. Be prepared to pay, especially with having a built in warscythe.

I dunno, at I3 he's going to get laughed at by dreads even with AV13.

But this is all massively pointless speculation. I just want a cool Necrodread model.

**Jackmojo**

Tau still strike me as one of the more likely xenos, as they only require a few small releases (equivalent to the Tyranids); move a couple of hybrids and metals to plastic, release a few new toys, revamp rules to correct sales numbers and bingo, done!

Jack

**chaplaingrabthar**

Jackmojo, You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never assume logic in GW's product line"!

**Chamleoneyes**

What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

**Ostrakon**

Chamleoneyes wrote:What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

The tomb spyder is huge. Compare it to a marine, and marines are like 8 feet tall. With those big nasty claws, hovering slowly, silently, inevitably toward you, ready to rip through flesh and ceramite alike. Cloaked in a cloud of tiny metal insects, preparing to rend the skin from your quivering, helpless body.

And I think the whole Heavy Gauss Cannon as wargear is probably pretty likely, and awesome at that. The Heavy Destroyers' Heavy Support slot would be replaced by some kind of Obliterator-ish unit, or some sort of walker.

**Jackmojo**

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Jackmojo, You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never assume logic in GW's product line"!

Indeed

Although I would say that most of their decisions are quite reasonable from a business management perspective, but we all know managers and reality have only a passing acquaintance.

Chamleoneyes wrote:What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

It all really depends on how likely a future Necron Codex is, and if so, how much it will actually have in common with their old iteration.

Jack