Codex after Blood Angels???

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**phantommaster**

What I heard about the new Codexes is:

Necrons are well under way
DE are well under way
DH have just been started
WH have just been started
Tau are soon to be started

I know nothing of other SM Chapters.

I can vaguely remember someone telling me that Chaos isn't far off either but not too sure.

**Gargskull**

That seems like a lot to me but then I've no idea how many they habitually work on at once.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Elric of Grans wrote:

Their third edition book was 95% `refer to Codex: Space Marines'. They are not that different. As KK said, they could be represented by a couple of Special Characters. One allows an all-Termie army, the other allows an all Bike/Landspeeder army. 95% of the complaints from Dark Angels players are that the rest of their Codex is currently different to Codex: Space Marines, so just putting them into Codex: Space Marines would have made everyone happier. The Blood Angels could have been the same: a Special Character that swaps Combat Tactics for Furious Charge and grants Feels No Pain to a single Tactical Squad (`Death Company'). The Iron Clad could have then been renamed `Furioso' and we would be done. Black Templars could then be eaten by the Nids, Space Wolves drink themselves into extinction and Ultramarines start up a new company called `Games Workshop' where they spend all day promoting themselves, despite not actually being good for anything. Sounds like a plan!

I like the way you think. Then we'd have plenty of shelf space for Codex Praetorians and Codex Blood Pact.

Anyway the simple fact is all of these chapters were once space marines painted a different color until someone started piling special rules on them. We all know why GW wants to make more marine books but if they must, why not do a new marine chapter instead of the 4th Codex DA or the 3rd Codex BT? let's see Codex Jade Dragons or Codex Lionheart Legion or Codex Golden Jaguars.

I have no idea what any of those chapters do but I bet with 5 minutes of work anyone ion the board could sketch out a really cook idea for them.

**bhsman**

Yea but there's no large amount of fluff or history of Index Astartes/army books for those Chapters so it'd be silly. Silly.

**CrazyThang**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Elric of Grans wrote:

Their third edition book was 95% `refer to Codex: Space Marines'. They are not that different. As KK said, they could be represented by a couple of Special Characters. One allows an all-Termie army, the other allows an all Bike/Landspeeder army. 95% of the complaints from Dark Angels players are that the rest of their Codex is currently different to Codex: Space Marines, so just putting them into Codex: Space Marines would have made everyone happier. The Blood Angels could have been the same: a Special Character that swaps Combat Tactics for Furious Charge and grants Feels No Pain to a single Tactical Squad (`Death Company'). The Iron Clad could have then been renamed `Furioso' and we would be done. Black Templars could then be eaten by the Nids, Space Wolves drink themselves into extinction and Ultramarines start up a new company called `Games Workshop' where they spend all day promoting themselves, despite not actually being good for anything. Sounds like a plan!

I like the way you think. Then we'd have plenty of shelf space for Codex Praetorians and Codex Blood Pact.

Anyway the simple fact is all of these chapters were once space marines painted a different color until someone started piling special rules on them. We all know why GW wants to make more marine books but if they must, why not do a new marine chapter instead of the 4th Codex DA or the 3rd Codex BT? let's see Codex Jade Dragons or Codex Lionheart Legion or Codex Golden Jaguars.

I have no idea what any of those chapters do but I bet with 5 minutes of work anyone ion the board could sketch out a really cook idea for them.

But if they had started with these chapters instead of BT/DA/BA/SW wouldn't people complain about these in the same exact way?

**Kurgash**

phantommaster wrote:What I heard about the new Codexes is:

Necrons are well under way
DE are well under way

Heard this for the last 2 years. Honestly I think everytime the team gets the idea to work on them someone comes rushing into the room shouting 'OMG! Quick look at this!' Then a team of ninjas descend to destroy all the copies and artwork ideas resulting in having to scratch work again. This is GW, they can afford ninjas, why else would the prices for their products keep rising. Ninjas are suffering in economic times too.

**Bloodhorror**

no thats not true! we fell from the ceiling and destro.......
i mean yeah thats what happens

**InquisitorBob**

JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

Necrons could use one of these!

Ooohhh Necron Titan!

**GentlemanGuy**

InquisitorBob wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

Necrons could use one of these!

Ooohhh Necron Titan!

ooh I thought a Necron Titan would look like a giant Dalek

**CrazyThang**

GentlemanGuy wrote:
InquisitorBob wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

(huge image)

Necrons could use one of these!

Ooohhh Necron Titan!

ooh I thought a Necron Titan would look like a giant Dalek

Nah it's going to be just another EVEN BIGGER monolith.

**Daemon-Archon Ren**

Elric of Grans wrote:
95% of the complaints from Dark Angels players are that the rest of their Codex is currently different to Codex: Space Marines, so just putting them into Codex: Space Marines would have made everyone happier. The Blood Angels could have been the same: a Special Character that swaps Combat Tactics for Furious Charge and grants Feels No Pain to a single Tactical Squad (`Death Company'). The Iron Clad could have then been renamed `Furioso' and we would be done. Black Templars could then be eaten by the Nids, Space Wolves drink themselves into extinction and Ultramarines start up a new company called `Games Workshop' where they spend all day promoting themselves, despite not actually being good for anything. Sounds like a plan!

I love you... please give shipping address so I can send you my first born daughter!

also, I'm really hoping they do Dark Eldar or Necrons (even if just one of the two) before the long list of Marine codice they need to bust out.

((P.S. Thanx for the new Sig!))

**Bloodhorror**

Lulz... True true..
i want necron to come out tbh. and i want them to get a titan...

**Skarboy**

I've never cared for Space Marines and, though I realize that this puts me at odds with over half of 40K players, I wish to god they would just make one massive Space Marines codex with all the SM variants in it at once. Beyond simplifying things in terms of references, you might hope that, when set up side by side, the damn chapters would be balanced with each other instead of, for example, having Space Wolves noticeably better than every other chapter. Make the damn thing 300 pages and $60, I don't care. But let all the SM players get an update at once and then start releasing codexes for the chapters that don't play 90% the same. But this will never happen, as sales of SM-related stuff is something like over half of all of GW's entire sales, so we get a couple codexes and new releases per year.

*yawn*

**Da Boss**

It also won't happen because beginners start with vanilla marines, and needing a 300 page book to play them would be very daunting.

**Kanluwen**

That and the majority of the Chapters that actually have their own Codexes are sufficiently different to warrant it.

**Yorick_of_Tau**

Kanluwen wrote:That and the majority of the Chapters that actually have their own Codexes are sufficiently different to warrant it.

Have you read any of said codecies? Dark angels are basically vanilla with two extra HQ choices, addable in a page. Blood Angels are pretty much vanilla with Death Company and assault squads as troops, easily addable as well. Space Wolves ARE vanilla marines, with longer hair and claws on their power fists!

I'm far from a fluff hater, but seriously, I think the main reason GW even prints a new codex for every chapter is just for the background. They might as well just put a few extra choices into the vanilla codex and be done with it, instead of wasting everyones time by BS-ing about "new armies" that are just the same thing just painted differently. If they made one, single codex, it wouldn't even be 300 pages long. All of the choices that would be added in would only be around five extra pages. It wouldn't affect sales at all, because they would get to release all those "special" character models anyway. In fact, it would encourage people to buy more of the ones from each chapter since they would have the codex for all of them anyway. I play DA, and I haven't bought a single one of GW's newly released space marine models, because they are not options in my codex. If DA were lumped into vanilla, I would be able to buy thunder cannons, Ironclads, ect. It makes perfect sense.

**agnosto**

Yorick_of_Tau wrote: It makes perfect sense.

Which is why they'll never do it.

**apwill4765**

Yorick_of_Tau wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:That and the majority of the Chapters that actually have their own Codexes are sufficiently different to warrant it.

Have you read any of said codecies? Dark angels are basically vanilla with two extra HQ choices, addable in a page. Blood Angels are pretty much vanilla with Death Company and assault squads as troops, easily addable as well. Space Wolves ARE vanilla marines, with longer hair and claws on their power fists!

I'm far from a fluff hater, but seriously, I think the main reason GW even prints a new codex for every chapter is just for the background. They might as well just put a few extra choices into the vanilla codex and be done with it, instead of wasting everyones time by BS-ing about "new armies" that are just the same thing just painted differently. If they made one, single codex, it wouldn't even be 300 pages long. All of the choices that would be added in would only be around five extra pages. It wouldn't affect sales at all, because they would get to release all those "special" character models anyway. In fact, it would encourage people to buy more of the ones from each chapter since they would have the codex for all of them anyway. I play DA, and I haven't bought a single one of GW's newly released space marine models, because they are not options in my codex. If DA were lumped into vanilla, I would be able to buy thunder cannons, Ironclads, ect. It makes perfect sense.

Blood angels: Furioso, baal predator, death company, black rage, red thirst, special characters that interact with specific BA units, assault squads as troops, overcharged engines. . .

That's a little bit more differentiation than you let on.

**The Unending**

In regards to the multiple codecies for different colored marines I'm of the opinion that they shouldn't have done it in the first place. However much like those Genies that come out of the bottles its almose impossible to put back in. Now we have to live with it. Remember that for every 1 person that wants those codecies gone there are 10 who will cry out that there favorite army is now gone. If you want 4 more Squats then imagine the backlash GW received from the squats times 4 plus the fact they are likely the 4 top armies and you have PR suicide for GW. Now what I think should happen is that GW should start to justify their existence with more special rules. I'm sure you have your own opinions as to what they should do but theres mine

In regards to the necron walker: I always imagined a quadrapedal walker with a Giant necron immortal torso holding a giant warscythe. Just sayin

**sonofruss**

Now lets not get in to the discussion about they are marines they should only have one codex it is getting old and off topic

**reidy1113**

I'm pretty sure it's either Dark Eldar or Necrons after Blood Angels

**Yorick_of_Tau**

The Unending wrote: Now what I think should happen is that GW should start to justify their existence with more special rules.

QFT. They should definately create much more intense differences between the chapters in order to justify the separate codecies.

Now back to the OP's topic: The next codex is probably going to be Inquisition. Either that or a dual DH/WH release. All the patterns are the same as they were for Blood Angels, Tyranids, Space Wolves, and so on. I think it's probably going to just be a single Codex: Inquisition since the rulebook's hobby section lists Daemonhunters and SoB as one Inquisition army. Plus, it would cut costs to print only one book, and would get people to buy models from both armies whereas before you needed both codicies to buy both armies' models. And of course, what road does GW ever take other than the most profitable one?

**JohnHwangDD**

Yorick_of_Tau wrote: what road does GW ever take other than the most profitable one?

This is a trick question, right?

**ChaosxVoid**

apwill4765 wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:
Cool. Feel like telling us? Otherwise your post contributes nothing.

Unfortunately, when I have info like this I usually don't share it at all so as to avoid getting anyone in hot water and I did agree not to blab too much on this when I was slipped some info recently. However, I've already seen others posting the exact correct info as it was given to them by staff members at GW stores around the country, so I felt like I could chime in a little bit on it since others have already spilled the beans. In other words, many people are already posting it and are correct even though they're at times a bit unsure about it. Honestly, you really already know what it is since you're paying attention to this topic and related ones. There have been many posts about it recently, including a Jan. 13 topic on one of the most popular Warhammer blog sites. Forgive me for being a bit cryptic, but don't all the good advance info suppliers on forums follow that path?

Interestingly, one of the few times I had a huge lead on advance information and felt I could post it, no one believed it except for Harry at Warseer who also knew about it months ahead and messaged me with his personal support at the time. Specifically, I posted that 5th edition 40K was coming 6 to 8 months ahead of time on that other forum a couple years ago and the post was met with derision. I also ceased participating in that forum shortly thereafter. My experience there as a whole, except for Harry and a few others, was very negative.

Jan 13, BOLS. Inquisition. Boo.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/01/40k-news-where-has-inquisition-gone.html

Putting my fingers in my ears and stubbornly clinging to Black Templar hopes.

your right they have taken out the codecies or however you spell it out of the deamon and witch hunters hope they are re-newing that army instead of cancelling it..i happen to love the woman of the emperor lol

**Noobtodagame**

Though from what I hear WH and DH don't have missions in the upcomming book. Is there a seperate for just INQ?

**Kurgash**

Watch, they'll rename them something like "Agents of the Imperium"

**The Watcher in the Dark**

If they do do a combined =I= book then maybe, just maybe, they might put in Ordo Xenos. One can only hope...

**MeanGreenStompa**

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:If they do do a combined =I= book then maybe, just maybe, they might put in Ordo Xenos. One can only hope...

Increased likelihood due to FFG's upcoming Deathwatch rpg.

**Mercurial**

Judging by the fact that they've pulled the WH and DH Codi from the online store, I'm going to say that this looks pretty on the money.

**Sarigar**

Then, a big question would be: will there still be allies allowable in the new Inquisition codex? The trend GW seems to have went to is having everything you need in a single codex, so would allies fall into this category?