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There's no reason to think the word "English" has anything to do with some place called "England". I've never even heard of it, for one thing, and for another do you guys think the word "spinach" comes from some place called "Spinland"? And that "porcupine" comes from some place called "Porculand"? Of course not, the whole premise is absurd.

I am not overly patriotic. I just think America is better. Not for any reason of course, we are actually quite even. I just had to pick one. USA! USA!

Back on the soccer topic, it's just dialects. For example, I, a New Yorker, say water. The a pronounced as in saw. In Boston, as far as I know, it's water. The a pronounced as in fatter. But that doesn't help, unless you've ever met a New Yorker (and you don't want to, we're rude and abrasive). Also, you have to have met a Bostonite (I haven't). I assume it's the same in England, with different pronunciations and words used. Some places probably use soccer a lot.

Oh, and football (ours) is the greatest modern sport.

This is the greatest modern sport.

I take back what I said. THAT is the greatest modern sport, but I bet you that is an American. Only we can be crazy enough for that.

It's German, actually.

- "If it wasnt for us y'all be speaking German"

- "No, if it wasnt for you we would all be speaking proper English."

Not quite right Orlanth, if it wasn't for us the Americans would be speaking French.
Fromage en mangeant des singes de capitulation.

How is it that English is the Lingua Franca

Orkeosaurus wrote:There's no reason to think the word "English" has anything to do with some place called "England". I've never even heard of it, for one thing, and for another do you guys think the word "spinach" comes from some place called "Spinland"? And that "porcupine" comes from some place called "Porculand"? Of course not, the whole premise is absurd.

What a ludicrous statement.

Both are named for the Angles, a group of Germanic peoples who settled on what is now the British Isles. It is not necessarily the case that English is named after England, but they are both named after the same thing, and do have lots to do with each other.

I really hope you were just taking the mickey.

Porcupine = spiny pig

Porcus (pig) + spina (spine)
from old French.

see, told you you would be speaking French if it wasn't for us.

BTW Minniesota is not a state, she's the ex-girlfriend of the Mickey to which Fifty refers. Taken to drink since he ditched her.
(Sot = drunk)

That's All Folks!




never heard of the word pork?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

- "If it wasnt for us y'all be speaking German"

- "No, if it wasnt for you we would all be speaking proper English."

Not quite right Orlanth, if it wasn't for us the Americans would be speaking French.
Fromage en mangeant des singes de capitulation.

How is it that English is the Lingua Franca

Would that not qualify as 'cruel and unusual punishment'?

Fifty wrote:What a ludicrous statement.

Both are named for the Angles, a group of Germanic peoples who settled on what is now the British Isles.

I think you mean "angels" - "angles" are the things in math (lol) - but calling yourselves a bunch of angels is almost as silly. I'm pretty sure God doesn't even like your country, because of he did, he would stop you from being invaded by the Germans ever five minutes.

It is not necessarily the case that English is named after England, but they are both named after the same thing, and do have lots to do with each other.

My guess is that the language is actually named for the New England Patriots. They were the guys who beat your stupid redcoats at Gettysburg, and later became a football team (for real football, lol).

I really hope you were just taking the mickey.

I don't even now what that means; speak English!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Porcupine = spiny pig

Porcus (pig) + spina (spine)
from old French.

see, told you you would be speaking French if it wasn't for us.

At least we stopped them from stealing the name of our fries.

BTW Minniesota is not a state, she's the ex-girlfriend of the Mickey to which Fifty refers. Taken to drink since he ditched her.
(Sot = drunk)

Why would he take her out to drink after ditching her? You guys really need a refresher course on using our language right.

never heard of the word pork?

This is a family forum!

Orkeosaurus wrote:
I'm pretty sure God doesn't even like your country, because of he did, he would stop you from being invaded by the Germans ever five minutes.

Your grasp of history/geography can only be described as American.

Erm... no...
Mikey ditched Minnie.
Minnie got upset.
Minnie turned to drink to drown her sorrows.

Mikey didn't take Minnie out after he ditched her. T'ain't me that needs lessons mate.

Taking the mikey = extracting the urine = having one's leg pulled = taking the rise = joshing, kidding, codding, winding one up,

got to go the Germans are invading again - never get five minutes peace.

I'm guessing he's taking the piss, or I've severely overrated his intelligence.

A person cannot be told to "use the English language right", only told to use it correctly.

Orlanth wrote:Your grasp of history/geography can only be described as American.

Don't worry, I can teach you guys some stuff too.

Maybe
but none of it is of any value

Correction: None of it IS of any value.

You forgot your verb, Englishman.

I say, it's a gang of Yanks. What ho, gentlemen, how are you all on this fine day? Care for a spot of Earl Grey with your scones and clotted cream?

God dammit, stop being so fething snooty!

hot dog. bun. mustard. beer.

keep yer scones and tea my day is going just fine our way.

I will add my own personal perspective into the fray with a quote from a film...
"That's C-4, dips**t. Put that back. I said a detonator! I need some dudes who speak American god dammit!"
Cody, Tropic Thunder


Spiffing show old chap, fancy a quick shoot and all that? Pip pip tally ho.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Fifty wrote:
I really hope you were just taking the mickey.

I don't even now what that means; speak English!

Taking the mickey comes from cockney rhyming slang...

Mickey Bliss = Piss

therefore taking the mickey = Taking the piss.

Not sure that will help much considering 'taking the piss' is also British slang.

Guitardian wrote:Correction: None of it IS of any value.

You forgot your verb, Englishman.

Mistakes happen
You forgot your manners.

I get confused. Is British slang proper? Is Americenglish not?

Roit Mates... Oim Gonna go av a go at the filly wot goes to the pub then

Orkeosaurus wrote:I think you mean "angels" - "angles" are the things in math (lol)

No, those peoples were the Angles. Their language was 'anglish'. They were one of the many peoples inhabiting the isles of britain back then.

Angles are the things in geometry, actually.

Or red ones that sparkle (and green ones afraid to come out of the cupboard because their codex is lame).

I'm guessing it comes from anglo saxon.

whatwhat wrote:I think the issue for British people with the word soccer. Has less to do with it being the wrong word for the sport. And more to do with Soccer being used by Americans to differentiate from a game, american "football, " in which you hardly use your feet. And that if any game out of the two needs to be refereed to differently to avoid confusion, it shouldn't be football (soccer), it should be the game which the name suits least.

Actually, there's a kicker who uses his feet and also a punter who uses his feet as well. The punter usually comes into play during the 4th down(attempt to move the ball towards a goal line) in order to push the ball much farther back into the other team's side of the field. The kicker kicks the ball over a large pole in an attempt to gain extra points, either in the space between the 50 yard line and the goal or at the end of a successful drive(scoring series of plays).

Also, I would like to point out that football linemen(the big guys in front) have many stances that coordinate the motion and placement of their feet in order to best block the defenders from tackling the quarterback(guy who throws the ball).


Although the real answer comes from the split of rugby from soccer and the removal of certain rules. In fact, it is easier to compare rugby to football than it is to compare football(US) to football(UK). The one thing though is that football(US) focuses more on the hand than it does the foot unlike rugby and soccer. America and Canada were also separated from the european world so for the most part we had to make up rules as we went along. We started with Rugby and worked on that to form football. IIRC two groups were formed the Football Association(the guys who prohibited use of the hands) and the Rugby Football Union(the guys who allowed the use of hands). Seeing as though Soccer was interchangable with Football we used soccer for the no hands and Rugby Football for the hands. Later, the rules were further developed and this created Football as we know it.

So to make it simple. Football(US) came from Rugby, not Football(UK)


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Also, about that history thing.

Did you know that during the War of 1812 when the british were burning down the american capital, there was a freak hurricane that doused most of the flames and spawned a freak tornado that tore through the British column, killing more men than the continental army had killed at Williamsburg?

Sure there was property damage to DC because of the storm, but me thinks someone didn't like you guys at the moment.

halonachos wrote:

whatwhat wrote:I think the issue for British people with the word soccer. Has less to do with it being the wrong word for the sport. And more to do with Soccer being used by Americans to differentiate from a game, american "football, " in which you hardly use your feet. And that if any game out of the two needs to be refereed to differently to avoid confusion, it shouldn't be football (soccer), it should be the game which the name suits least.

Actually, there's a kicker who uses his feet and also a punter who uses his feet as well. The punter usually comes into play during the 4th down(attempt to move the ball towards a goal line) in order to push the ball much farther back into the other team's side of the field. The kicker kicks the ball over a large pole in an attempt to gain extra points, either in the space between the 50 yard line and the goal or at the end of a successful drive(scoring series of plays).

Also, I would like to point out that football linemen(the big guys in front) have many stances that coordinate the motion and placement of their feet in order to best block the defenders from tackling the quarterback(guy who throws the ball).

I am aware, yes, you sometimes use your feet. My point was if any game is entitled to the name 'football' it's the one where all but two of the players on the field can only use their feet.

I would wager in the entire NFL season the ball is not kicked with the feet more than in one single premiership football (soccer) game.

Of course you could use the name football as much as you like. But when in a conversation with someone who refers to 'soccer' as football. Why do you expect them to be the one to drop their name for it?

arguing about the semantics of a game called, elsewhere, 'American Football' and here 'Football', or called 'Football' elsewhere and 'Soccer' here is definitely a job for the uptight English linguistic scholars with feth all else to do and a froofy degree in being overeducated and useless. You say 'Tomato' he says 'TomAHto' I say feth off idiot we both know what it is.