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Albatross wrote:The origins of the word 'soccer' are not unknown to people who know anything about 'soccer'.

Yes, it's 'our' word. We don't use it anymore. We also don't say 'forsooth', 'Zounds' or 'I'faith' anymore.

Verily he doth speaketh the truth.

Just twixt us, methinks maugre wanion. Egad!

chromedog wrote:

They followed other languages down dark london alleys and beat them unconscious before stealing their words.

Chromedog wins the thread.

Frazzled wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

Incorrect, half your words were French or Latin derivatives. Half the words here were not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

Corrected your correction. They're all our words now.

Pip pip.

Can I add that I am tired of being trolled at on the internet by people quoting from the tabloid press. They certainly aren't a fair representation of the people of the UK. I'm sure I can find many 'fine' foreign publications that represent the views of their respective countries just as 'accurately'.

Is soccer the english for football?

I thought it was calcio.

Frazzled wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

Incorrect, half your words are French or Latin derivatives. Half the words here are not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

hah! You lot will argue about anything, who gives a flying feth where English came from!? Its not like anybody on dakka fething dakka invented it.

Seriously.. i dont really understand where anybody is going with this one?

Myself i do like to use old words though.. for example "Iron my shirt you wanton jezebel" and "Cook me some luncheon you painted strumpet" are both uttered frequently in my house.

mattyrm wrote:

for example "Iron my shirt you wanton jezebel" and "Cook me some luncheon you painted strumpet" are both uttered frequently in my house.

I wouldn't put up with that if I were you matty, you deserve more respect

If you want to get really technical, all our words come from simple amino acid chains exchanged by single cell entities in the primordial soup.

Can you provide a source for that proportion please Frazzled?
Would be inmterested to know if it correct.
Intuitively would have said Saxon/nordic was a bigger component.


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In anycase it matters not. By the 14th century the langauge had absorbed French despite or maybe because the latter was the preserve of the ruling classes.

We haven't stolen any words.
Prithee silence thy foul and noxious slanders.

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

The last time I checked the language WAS called English. They're all words of ours. You're just using them INCORRECTLY.

Yes English is a mongrol language based mostly on Saxon and Angle tongue (Anglo-Saxon even) thanks to 1000 years of invasions (just try it now!)

More importantly where is everyone getting their Pith Helmets?!!!

I want mine, were they issued when I was off sick or something

Frazzled wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

Incorrect, half your words are French or Latin derivatives.

I love how you say 'your' as if you don't speak English as a first language. Plus, you don't know what you are talking about. English has far more in common with Germanic languages (being a Germanic language), and there are arguably as many Brythonic/Cumbric/Goidelic words in the English language as there are French-derived words, in addition to the overarcing influence of Brythonic pronunciation.

Half the words here are not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

Examples?

Albatross wrote:

Half the words here are not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

Examples?

Burrito, French Fries, Egg Roll.

Ahtman wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Half the words here are not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

Examples?

Burrito, French Fries, Egg Roll.

Through is pronounced like a garden implement or a pig feeding tray with a lisp. Thru is pronounced in Mcdonaldspeak (would be even better if they changed it to 'threw'). Which one makes more sense?

Ahtman wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Half the words here are not English, but french and Spanish with a good bit of Asian languages thrown in.

Examples?

Burrito, French Fries, Egg Roll.

Pizza, Chinese food. [/Talladega Nights ]

A and The.


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Sushi.

They are correctly referred to as 'les pommes-frites' not 'french fries'. What do English people call 'le francais? or deutchland?'

The point of language and 'correct' spelling/grammar is to be understood. So long as that criteria has been met it's all good by me. The other point is that it's a funny platform to poke fun at each other from.

"To who it may concern?"
"To whoM it may concern?"
would anybody misunderstand either of those? or misunderstand either of these sentences I am writing due to lack of capital letters? No..? then mission accomplished... I successfully communicated so quitcherbeyotchin (I'm pretty sure that last word was all-united-statesian... probably from the detroit dialect)

An interesting little fact out of the 100 most commonly used words in English how any are of French origin?
1. (though I can't remeber which one)
Also in Churchill's famous 'fight them on the beaches' speech, how many words are of French origin? Again 1, and I can remember this one, surrender.
Despite the fact we were conquered by the French (although we weren't we were conquered by the Normans who were North Men, ei. Vikings, who just happened to have setteled in what is now modern day France) French was never really used by the common man, only by the ruling classes. Most of our language comes from the germanic peoples, such as the Angles and as England is named after them I think calling the language English is quite accurate.
The USA very nearly took on German as its official language after the war of Independance and to be honest I wish it had.
And as a final point I don't know where the bloke who wrote the article has been hanging round but I can only assume it is the All American Club because I have not heard football reffered to soccer by an Englishman unless he is making reference to an ignorant American.

We have to call it 'soccer' to differentiate from our own wierd version that is barely any relation to the English football. Ignorant: is not respecting cultural differences and pretending you don't understand what the word referred to when you know damn well you did, and refusing to acknowledge them, not spellings and word choice or specific spelling difference. It is engrained in our culture when we play football we are wearing body armor and ramming into each other and throwing a ball, when we play soccer, we are running back and forth for hours to end up with a 1-0 score using our feet. Makes sense to me to differentiate.

squilverine wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

for example "Iron my shirt you wanton jezebel" and "Cook me some luncheon you painted strumpet" are both uttered frequently in my house.

I wouldn't put up with that if I were you matty, you deserve more respect

matty, busting caps or cleaning house in an apron, its all good.


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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Can you provide a source for that proportion please Frazzled?
Would be inmterested to know if it correct.
Intuitively would have said Saxon/nordic was a bigger component.

Source: my butt. (at this point I'll note Weiner dog breath is often confused with farts, until an old weiner dog actually farts, then all doubt is removed. Weiner dogs, spreading Nurgle's Pestilence for 1,000 years...)


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Albatross wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

Incorrect, half your words are French or Latin derivatives.

I love how you say 'your' as if you don't speak English as a first language.

I speak Texan, Pardner...


(The wife says I speak gibberish but what does she know....)

Depends how late it is on a Friday night when you are talking.

Dakka really likes touching itself, doesn't it?

Fething Americans corrupting our language. It's quite unnecessary, we have chavs that can do the same job cheaper.



- "If it wasnt for us y'all be speaking German"

- "No, if it wasnt for you we would all be speaking proper English."

George Spiggott wrote:

Ahtman wrote:We are using the word as you intended. Soccer is an English (as in England) word that means the same things as Football.

Yes, but we've stopped using it now. You need to keep up with the latest trends.

I assure you that I am not 'dogging' you, unless this is another fine English word you are misusing.

Ha!

You sir, win the thread with that one.

Must we have this argument again?

It always seems to boil down to this:
-A bunch of bitter British people complaining about how awful the United States is.
-A bunch of overly-patriotic Americans claiming that everything our country touches becomes better.

Xca|iber wrote:Must we have this argument again?

It always seems to boil down to this:
-A bunch of bitter British people complaining about how awful the United States is.
-A bunch of overly-patriotic Americans claiming that everything our country touches becomes better.

I cant speak for the Yanks but you have really misunderstood the healthy mentality of a good bit of British banter. If we were insulting you we would be hitting a lot harder than that.

Orlanth wrote:If we were insulting you we would be hitting a lot harder than that.

That's right. Call it extreme if you like, but we'd hit you hard, hit you fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign. And should the temperature keep rising, we'll write you a letter! That's the British way.

How about "Sissyball"? Happy now!!!???!!!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Last I checked the language is called English. They're all our words. You're just using them wrong.

Ain't no such country as 'England' and we don't call it United Kingdomish.

England IS a country. It is not a Nation State, nor a Sovereign State, but it IS a country.