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SaintHazard wrote:Whoever wrote that crap is obviously a follower of the "A grim, shadowy figure enters the bar. It is Grimm Shaddo. / Dark Shadows of the Shadowdark" school of thought.

And now you hit the nail on the head. It is that level of bad, but then again Tycho was trying to be as intentionally bad as he could. The fact that GW did it simultaneously on purpose and without realising how bad it was speaks volumes about the people writing their fluff (but then again - we now have Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Bloodstrike Missiles and Bloodshard Bolter rounds, so we're stupid to expect otherwise).

The other thing is the inclusion of Thor and Loki (by a different name). Using Norse Mythology is cool when done right, and the whole Space Viking w/Runes and whatnot was fine, but to actually go and just wholesale remove Thor and Loki from the mythology, slap 'em into the Codex, change their names and make some arbitrary fluff is just going too far.

I've decided to take a different stance on the rending rule and take it to mean this: He is rending, period, everysingle one of his attack and shots rend. Why? Ask him. What are your attacks? "Rending" what are your shots "rending" and in fact if he use a grenade that would rend too.

ChrisCP wrote:... and in fact if he use a grenade that would rend too.

Don't be silly. We all know that in the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium most grenades are harmless.

Canis is such a goofball, riding around on... THAT! If I ever meet a SW-player with that fugly piece of fur, I'll forfeit and claim that all my orks commited ritual sppuku at the sight of him.

So in that way, yeah, he's a good one, here, I'll even make a quoteable recommendation:

"The orks were everywhere, but as soon as they caught a glimpse of Canis, the commited ritual seppuku... and by that I mean they puked their intestines out their noses while trying to stab themselves through the stomach with their choppas, hilarious!"
- Gnugfur Gjardar Blindeson, sole survivor of the Battle of Wolfy Peaks

Vargtass wrote:Canis is such a goofball, riding around on... THAT! If I ever meet a SW-player with that fugly piece of fur, I'll forfeit and claim that all my orks commited ritual sppuku at the sight of him.

So in that way, yeah, he's a good one, here, I'll even make a quoteable recommendation:

"The orks were everywhere, but as soon as they caught a glimpse of Canis, the commited ritual seppuku... and by that I mean they puked their intestines out their noses while trying to stab themselves through the stomach with their choppas, hilarious!"
- Gnugfur Gjardar Blindeson, sole survivor of the Battle of Wolfy Peaks

Well, to be fair to the guy who sculpted it, there's really no way to make some jackass in power armor sitting on top of a wolf look anything but ridiculous. Even some of the third-party sculpts out there, which are good models in and of themselves, instantly become LOLworthy when a Space Marine gets atop them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Whoever wrote that crap is obviously a follower of the "A grim, shadowy figure enters the bar. It is Grimm Shaddo. / Dark Shadows of the Shadowdark" school of thought.

And now you hit the nail on the head. It is that level of bad, but then again Tycho was trying to be as intentionally bad as he could. The fact that GW did it simultaneously on purpose and without realising how bad it was speaks volumes about the people writing their fluff (but then again - we now have Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Bloodstrike Missiles and Bloodshard Bolter rounds, so we're stupid to expect otherwise).

I shutter to think that this convention will continue into new Dark Angel(Dark Fist, Dark Missile Launcher, Dark Darkness of Darkitude) and Black Templar(Templar Talons, Blessed Knight Bolter rounds) Codecii. I'd rather keep a sub-competitive DA book than face that abortion of my beloved Unforgiven fluff.

AlexHolker wrote:
The Blood Angels also suck. The ability to focus heavily on assault marines Seaward mentioned is good, as it fits well with Space Marine doctrine, as well as working as a homage to the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers. But the heavy focus on blood is laughable. They should have kept Corbulo and his Red Grail as a singular, inspiring relic while regular Sanguinary Priests worked like normal Apothecaries, changed the Death Company so that falling to the Red Thirst wasn't seen as a good thing, and left the blood fist, blood talons and blood lance out of it.

Space marines have little to do with mobile infantry. Mobile infantry would be more akin to crisis suits with mini nukes going by the book.

Also how is falling to the red thirst a good thing? Are you referring to the fluff/rules for the death company or the army special rule?

Agreed on the names though. Waaay too much use of the word blood as an adjective.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:
Space marines have little to do with mobile infantry. Mobile infantry would be more akin to crisis suits with mini nukes going by the book.

Also how is falling to the red thirst a good thing? Are you referring to the fluff/rules for the death company or the army special rule?

Agreed on the names though. Waaay too much use of the word blood as an adjective.

Falling to the Black Rage is a bad thing. The Red Thirst is something that comes and goes, apparently, and isn't, arguably, even a vampire motif anymore, more just battlerage.

And yeah, I don't really think there's an analogue anywhere for guys jumping out of the sky to land with the sole purpose of hitting you with swords. Even modern-day airborne units aren't comparable, simply due to BA's focus on HtH. I like to think they're more like what would happen if you gave a medieval Forlorn Hope company jump packs.

But this thread is about how much Canis sucks.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:Space marines have little to do with mobile infantry. Mobile infantry would be more akin to crisis suits with mini nukes going by the book.

Space Marines with jump packs that deploy via Deep Strike do. And even if Tau Crisis Suits are a closer fit, that has nothing to do with whether an entirely different army is a homage or not.

Also how is falling to the red thirst a good thing? Are you referring to the fluff/rules for the death company or the army special rule?

You don't remember 3rd edition, when Blood Angels players would take lots of small squads to maximise the number of troops who fell and entered the Death Company?

Seaward wrote:

But this thread is about how much Canis sucks.

It's good to remind me or else I will try take this in some completely random direction. My alter ego is Captain Tangent and his superpower is ADD.

I have a buddy who plays wolves (who I suspect may be mr wolfbrother) and when the new codex came out I told him it was pretty sweet except for the TWC. And I made sure everyone at my FLGS was well aware of low opinion of TWC and Canis specifically. It's been said before but his mount really does look like a cat. as for playing against him, I haven't yet but I suppose I could always be a jerk and hit him with meph in a controversial character showdown.

IMHO I think Canis is MOSTLY ok, I think the wolf could do with a more feral, aggressive wolf-like face but it seems ok to me (though if I were to buy him I would have to at least try to change the face). And if he had a different name I reckon that would've helped....

Hang on just replace his name with... I dunno... Froderick Hengirsson (anything really), and instead of the wolf boy story they gave him, He's the first WGBL to tame the largest Thunderwolf due to his affinity with wolves, ta da, marginally less ridiculous character. Seriously if they didn't call him Wolf Wolfborn I don't think he would get half as much hate as he does.

You listening GW? If you've run out of sensible name ideas for characters, just ask anyone who has a brain...

AlexHolker wrote:[

Also how is falling to the red thirst a good thing? Are you referring to the fluff/rules for the death company or the army special rule?

You don't remember 3rd edition, when Blood Angels players would take lots of small squads to maximise the number of troops who fell and entered the Death Company?

I remember it clearly but that rule has no bearing on the current rules; red thirst and black rage are 2 different things. If you're saying that it should be a bad thing for a unit to roll a 1 for red thirst I would point out that that rule essentially replaces combat tactics.

Anyway, as mentioned above, don't let me pull this thread OT...

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:I remember it clearly but that rule has no bearing on the current rules; red thirst and black rage are 2 different things. If you're saying that it should be a bad thing for a unit to roll a 1 for red thirst I would point out that that rule essentially replaces combat tactics.

...which, for Space Marines, is not a good thing.

When you've got an army of a small number of T4, one-wound models, the ability to choose to fall back from close combat after losing (and then regroup at will) is pretty useful. Fearless will get your Marines killed very quickly. Especially if an IC is attached, since Fearless extends to them.

FC is nice, but that's the only real benefit.

Platuan4th wrote:I shutter to think that this convention will continue into new Dark Angel(Dark Fist, Dark Missile Launcher, Dark Darkness of Darkitude) and Black Templar(Templar Talons, Blessed Knight Bolter rounds) Codecii. I'd rather keep a sub-competitive DA book than face that abortion of my beloved Unforgiven fluff.

Look on the bright side - if GW had continued the trend of Marines riding things with the Blood Angels, and we had got Blood Angels riding giant bats, we would get Black Templars riding horses (obviously), but what would the Dark Angels be riding? Other Dark Angels?

*shudder*

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I shutter to think that this convention will continue into new Dark Angel(Dark Fist, Dark Missile Launcher, Dark Darkness of Darkitude) and Black Templar(Templar Talons, Blessed Knight Bolter rounds) Codecii. I'd rather keep a sub-competitive DA book than face that abortion of my beloved Unforgiven fluff.

Look on the bright side - if GW had continued the trend of Marines riding things with the Blood Angels, and we had got Blood Angels riding giant bats, we would get Black Templars riding horses (obviously), but what would the Dark Angels be riding? Other Dark Angels?

*shudder*

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

You've just made my morning.

That's filthy, H.B.M.C.

Soap -> your mouth.



For the hilarity factor, I hope they do continue the trend, and we see Dark Angels mounted on the shoulders of Watchers in the Dark.

This was actually supposed to be about How Canis Does Not Suck

Now in a Feeble attempt to get back on track.

The Model: Personally, I like Canis and Snowball, Some Models are Awesome, some are not. He is…ok. He does not fit together well, he is a pain to paint without lots of washes and a Airbrush, and if he falls of your shelf he will crush small dogs. I still like mine even though I will never get him to look as awesome as I would like.

Rending: I personally think he should have it, but my world would not end if they finally came out and said ne does not. Why just because rending is cool. He really does not need it. For Rending to work you need to roll a “6”. That will pop a lot of transports and will still wound anything with a Toughness of 8 or less and I have not seen anything with a toughness of 9 or 10. His attacks still ignore armor all Rending would do is give him that ability to beat up Land Raiders and Monoliths, but that is not his job so that does not mater.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look on the bright side - if GW had continued the trend of Marines riding things with the Blood Angels, and we had got Blood Angels riding giant bats, we would get Black Templars riding horses (obviously), but what would the Dark Angels be riding? Other Dark Angels? *shudder*

Dark Angel wouldn't ride other Dark Angles, They'd be riding giant green Lions in red battle armor holding massive power swords over their heads and screamin "I HAVE THE POWER!" with really cool lightning effects flying all around them.

The Fox Lord wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look on the bright side - if GW had continued the trend of Marines riding things with the Blood Angels, and we had got Blood Angels riding giant bats, we would get Black Templars riding horses (obviously), but what would the Dark Angels be riding? Other Dark Angels? *shudder*

Dark Angel wouldn't ride other Dark Angles, They'd be riding giant green Lions in red battle armor holding massive power swords over their heads and screamin "I HAVE THE POWER!" with really cool lightning effects flying all around them.

Well, that sounds manly... THIS manly. Fits the DA

Anpu42 wrote:

The Model: Personally, I like Canis and Snowball, Some Models are Awesome, some are not. He is…ok. He does not fit together well, he is a pain to paint without lots of washes and a Airbrush, and if he falls of your shelf he will crush small dogs. I still like mine even though I will never get him to look as awesome as I would like.

Again, there's a limit to how good you can get an inherently dumb idea to look. That you and others consider the Canis model to look "okay" should be seen as a huge victory for GW.

Seaward wrote:

Vargtass wrote:Canis is such a goofball, riding around on... THAT! If I ever meet a SW-player with that fugly piece of fur, I'll forfeit and claim that all my orks commited ritual sppuku at the sight of him.

So in that way, yeah, he's a good one, here, I'll even make a quoteable recommendation:

"The orks were everywhere, but as soon as they caught a glimpse of Canis, the commited ritual seppuku... and by that I mean they puked their intestines out their noses while trying to stab themselves through the stomach with their choppas, hilarious!"
- Gnugfur Gjardar Blindeson, sole survivor of the Battle of Wolfy Peaks

Well, to be fair to the guy who sculpted it, there's really no way to make some jackass in power armor sitting on top of a wolf look anything but ridiculous. Even some of the third-party sculpts out there, which are good models in and of themselves, instantly become LOLworthy when a Space Marine gets atop them.

I dare you to say it to his face.

Above is a good example of making SM cavalry looking good. This...



...is not.

A chaos marine on a digimon!!!

Now, seriously, the 2 biggest mistakes on Canis are:

- Legs too straight, almost is if he was standing.
- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

Dark wrote:- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

The stirrups. The better question is how he got up there in the first place.

Vargtass wrote:
I dare you to say it to his face.

I'll say it to his face when they come out with Dark Eldar pikemen to counter the increasing prevalence of heavy cavalry as we apparently repeat the Middle Ages all over again.

You guys seem to have forgot how his doggy's face makes it look like it wants to play fetch, it's tail seems feminine and how Canis seems like a poor idea of a Loreal advert.
That and he's £25.

Just Dave wrote:You guys seem to have forgot how his doggy's face makes it look like it wants to play fetch, it's tail seems feminine and how Canis seems like a poor idea of a Loreal advert.
That and he's £25.

Don't forget that the skull in the fur just looks placed there, instead of actually interacting with the animal in any meaningful way that could convey how it's staying on...

AlexHolker wrote:

Dark wrote:- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

The stirrups. The better question is how he got up there in the first place.

Pfffft, the wolf flattened his body against the floor and he jumped on, of course xD

Dark wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Dark wrote:- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

The stirrups. The better question is how he got up there in the first place.

Pfffft, the wolf flattened his body against the floor and he jumped on, of course xD

I've always liked to think it was like fire houses, where they slide down poles when the "It's Time To Kill Stuff Now" alarm sounds.

SaintHazard wrote:

Dark wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Dark wrote:- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

The stirrups. The better question is how he got up there in the first place.

Pfffft, the wolf flattened his body against the floor and he jumped on, of course xD

I've always liked to think it was like fire houses, where they slide down poles when the "It's Time To Kill Stuff Now" alarm sounds.

You evil bastard! I have to draw a lot of stuff for college and now you've making me want to draw badly something really silly!

Dark wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

Dark wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Dark wrote:- Dual Wolf Claws... how does he stays up there without falling?

The stirrups. The better question is how he got up there in the first place.

Pfffft, the wolf flattened his body against the floor and he jumped on, of course xD

I've always liked to think it was like fire houses, where they slide down poles when the "It's Time To Kill Stuff Now" alarm sounds.

You evil bastard! I have to draw a lot of stuff for college and now you've making me want to draw badly something really silly!

Do it... O_O