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I don't like the rocks the Spectres are floating on. I'd rather they had them just using the tabards to float on, and then FW supplying one metal tabard per Spectre for the load bearing, or just making/reinforcing one on my own.

12" range guns? Not again.

18", and Fast Attack please. Then they'd be great.

well if you have a squad then the range gets bumped up significantly + it's strength also goes up. I think with 5 models you have a pretty crazy lance weapon. Even if it is 1 shot it's actually not too bad considering the points cost. And if you have the exarch firing the ghostlight... definitely interesting.

not to mention they're relentless.


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I hate to double post too, but if spectres were fast attack then they'd be amazing.

Something I'd like to see in the next Eldar Codex would be adding more elite/fast attack choices to the list. It seems if GW want's super specialized troops... might as well let you get more!

Which model is supposed to be the Exarch?

punkisntdeadyet wrote:well if you have a squad then the range gets bumped up significantly + it's strength also goes up. I think with 5 models you have a pretty crazy lance weapon. Even if it is 1 shot it's actually not too bad considering the points cost. And if you have the exarch firing the ghostlight... definitely interesting.

Seriously? 200+ points for 1 single target shot? You think that's acceptable?

Even with a 3(2 Spectres and an Exarch) model squad it can be kinda nasty.

Give the Exarch Cynosure and a Haywire Launcher, you can have a decent transport popping squad.



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Alpharius wrote:Which model is supposed to be the Exarch?

I don't think any are really "meant" to be the Exarch at this moment. There were rumors that we'll be seeing a Shadow Spectres character, so that may be where they'll release it(along with the Haywire Launcher and Prism Lance options).

Alpharius wrote:Which model is supposed to be the Exarch?

None of them, I think the Exarch is coming later. These are just the basic aspect warriors

Damn. Beaten to it...

DarknessEternal wrote:

punkisntdeadyet wrote:well if you have a squad then the range gets bumped up significantly + it's strength also goes up. I think with 5 models you have a pretty crazy lance weapon. Even if it is 1 shot it's actually not too bad considering the points cost. And if you have the exarch firing the ghostlight... definitely interesting.

Seriously? 200+ points for 1 single target shot? You think that's acceptable?

I'd say it's high time for other armies to be given units as intolerably gak as, say, the Malcador. Why should the Guard stand alone as FW's cesspit of terrible rules?

I love the Warphunter as a shout-out to the Epic Space Marine Eldar vehicle.

The more I look at the rules, the more ambivalent I feel about the Spectres. It's neat that they combine fire, but Prisms are more effective and cost less, as well as fill the same slot. Maybe in a fun, fluffy footdar list running Hawks, Spectres, and Reapers, but otherwise I'm not convinced.

Love the models, though!

I dunno, I think the Spectres are more effective. 60" BS4 twin linked S10 lance, and they can jump shoot jump... I.E. they can permanently remain out of LOS of your opponent if you play them smartly, and still manage to take out all manner of enemy vehicles. In other words, they are probably about as likely to hit as the Fireprism, but the weapon is more effective, and barrying indirect fire weapons, they are much less likely to be fired on.

did anyone else think the rear top shots of the Warphunter looked odd? like the tail broke off and they glued it back on?

DarknessEternal wrote:

punkisntdeadyet wrote:well if you have a squad then the range gets bumped up significantly + it's strength also goes up. I think with 5 models you have a pretty crazy lance weapon. Even if it is 1 shot it's actually not too bad considering the points cost. And if you have the exarch firing the ghostlight... definitely interesting.

Seriously? 200+ points for 1 single target shot? You think that's acceptable?

that does seem a bit much, but if you take a squad of 4 + Upgrade one to an Exarch and the re-roll to hit power + the lance, @ 177 pts for a 48" strength 10 lance that can move and shoot isn't too bad anti-tank. It also hits on a 2+ with re-rolls. Fairly reliable. If you find some nice big piece of cover (or one of your tanks) to hide behind... it's not too bad.

However, it is unfortunate that they are heavy support and not fast attack. The likelihood of them replacing a falcon or fire prism doesn't seem that great.

These are experimental rules right? Email FW a few dozen emails suggesting they be placed in Fast Attack. Maybe they'll come around.

Raxor wrote:These are experimental rules right? Email FW a few dozen emails suggesting they be placed in Fast Attack. Maybe they'll come around.

Good plan

(phone them as well, phoning always works better with forge world)

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Raxor wrote:These are experimental rules right? Email FW a few dozen emails suggesting they be placed in Fast Attack. Maybe they'll come around.

Good plan

(phone them as well, phoning always works better with forge world)

Keep in mind that FW gets to work w/ early versions of updated codecies (even if the Eldar are not formally in the release schedule for the next year, development/tweaking is always ongoing within the studio), so things that might not make sense to us at this time, might end up beng more beneficial in the long run...

Also, I have 30 warp spiders, I don't want to give up a squad for these.

goo in my pants!

Those look amazing and the rules for the Warp Hunters are fantastic! Well done FW, a great model that isn't grossly under or over costed.

And wowzers! Those Shadow Specters are bad ace! A stength 10, ap2, twin linked, BS5 lance at 60" on a JSJ platform? Holy jeebus, yes!

That is the business.

Current exchange rate prices them at just a little more than a Terminator squad. Given how nice they look and the fact that they're resin, it seems pretty reasonable.

H.B.M.C. wrote:12" range guns? Not again.

18", and Fast Attack please. Then they'd be great.

I'd give the rules another look through. For each Spectre that channels the shot, the range is 12" farther. If all 5 combine and you buy one of the Exarch powers, that's a Str 10 Ap 2 60" Range TL-Lance that is relentless and can JSJ. The Exarch can also take the Prism cannon and fire his own Str 7 Ap 2 Lance shot @ BS 5 as well.

And that folks, is why Eldar are OP.

ghosty wrote:And that folks, is why Eldar are OP.

Glass hammer Ghosty, usually, not this time, [grumble] supid eldar, replacing the glass with diamond when we look the other way [/grumble]

Alpharius wrote:Which model is supposed to be the Exarch?

They haven't made an exarch yet, but according to warwick, they are working on an exarch, and intend to make a pheonix lord (this was true as of games day)

Reecius wrote:goo in my pants!

Those look amazing and the rules for the Warp Hunters are fantastic! Well done FW, a great model that isn't grossly under or over costed.

And wowzers! Those Shadow Specters are bad ace! A stength 10, ap2, twin linked, BS5 lance at 60" on a JSJ platform? Holy jeebus, yes!

That is the business.

Hate to correct you Reecius, but:

"Roll to hit as normal using the squad’s majority BS of 4."


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Platuan4th wrote:Definitely ordering 2 sets of the Spectres for a full unit. Here's hoping for an actual Exarch to be released, though.

Unless something changed in the last 10 minutes, a set contains 5 models, and a unit contains 3-5 specters incl. the exarch...

Yep, I had a Reading Fail moment.

Raxor wrote:These are experimental rules right? Email FW a few dozen emails suggesting they be placed in Fast Attack. Maybe they'll come around.

I guess that's the kind of vehicles Spearhead was made for...

Wouldnt be a bad idea to have these guys moved to FA. Silly Forge World , Heavy support is for tanks.

Happygrunt wrote:Wouldnt be a bad idea to have these guys moved to FA. Silly Forge World , Heavy support is for tanks.

But FW tells us Elites is for tanks!(This is a Land Raider Prometheus reference)

Griever wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:12" range guns? Not again.

18", and Fast Attack please. Then they'd be great.

I'd give the rules another look through. For each Spectre that channels the shot, the range is 12" farther. If all 5 combine and you buy one of the Exarch powers, that's a Str 10 Ap 2 60" Range TL-Lance that is relentless and can JSJ. The Exarch can also take the Prism cannon and fire his own Str 7 Ap 2 Lance shot @ BS 5 as well.

The Exarch's weapon is not a Lance. Also his BS doesn't affect Ghostlight, it's always 4.

2 Fire Prisms cost the same amount, get a better shot (since it'll be AP 1), and aren't wiped off the board by two heavy bolters.

Yeah they seem marginally useful as a unit. They are a beautifully sculpted and I probably will buy them. The problem is you basically have fast moving/vulnerable fire dragons and I see them getting shot out of the sky turn one and I'm out a heavy slot and a bunch of point. In the hands of a good general I could see them being potentially deadly but it will be a win big or lose bigger style unit.

Shadow Spectres are Heavy Support!?

Why?

The Eldar have the most bloated HS list of any army and are severely lacking in viable Fast Attack options, which is totally opposite of what their fluff dictates.

Bonehead move, FW....

Happygrunt wrote:Wouldnt be a bad idea to have these guys moved to FA. Silly Forge World , Heavy support is for tanks.

So Devestators, Obliterators, Carnifexes, Trygons, Mawlocs, Biovores, etc. etc. etc. are all tanks?

2 Fire Prisms cost the same amount, get a better shot (since it'll be AP 1), and aren't wiped off the board by two heavy bolters.

Yeah they seem marginally useful as a unit. They are a beautifully sculpted and I probably will buy them. The problem is you basically have fast moving/vulnerable fire dragons and I see them getting shot out of the sky turn one and I'm out a heavy slot and a bunch of point. In the hands of a good general I could see them being potentially deadly but it will be a win big or lose bigger style unit.

No instead they're wiped off the board by all the melta weapons, lascannons, missile launchers, railguns, etc. that they are packing. You can JSJ w/ the specters, and you can hide them a lot better. Also, since everyone loads out for anti-mech, they probably won't be as ready to go after your Specters as they would your prism's

Heaven forbid that you have to actually put some thought into how you play a unit. Yes, they aren't as obvious as the fireprism, but the nuances of their rules will make them a better option.

Also, can you describe to me how they are vulnerable fire dragons? A unit which can sit in your deployment zone, behind LOS blocking terrain, pop out of cover, blow up a tank, and then jump bank into cover? If anything, they are long range warp spiders.

ancientsociety wrote:Shadow Spectres are Heavy Support!?

Why?

The Eldar have the most bloated HS list of any army and are severely lacking in viable Fast Attack options, which is totally opposite of what their fluff dictates.

Bonehead move, FW....

Again, FW get to work w/ design notes for the next Eldar codex. Chances are, 5th ed. Eldar codex will move some of the current heavy support units to fast, or something.