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Codex Grey KNights stole my virginity.

Now show me on this Codex where Matt Ward touched you...

You should know by now Matt Ward goes all or nothing when it comes to codices.

Commander Endova wrote:Codex Grey KNights stole my virginity.

Dang, I must be reading it wrong.

puma713 wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Is that draigo fluff even partially real? It sounded okay until you mentioned mortarion

Codex Grey Knights will make GW a lot of money.

It's real. All of it is real. I personally think this fluff is worse than Calgar's in the 'ridiculouslly OTT' sense. I am trying to justify it to myself...but yeah. Beating an Avatar is ok, but having your first act as Lord of the Grey Knights being to curbstomp a primarch....yeah, that's pretty bad.

What about Mortarion? All that I see in his fluff is the battle with M'kar.

It's after his battle with M'Kar....apparently, Moratorian killed the last Lord of the Grey Knight's and Draigo became Lord, and his first act was to carve his predecessor's name on Moratorian's heart.....

God, ignoring the possibilities with the codex itself, the fluff alone makes me shudder.

That doesn't even make sense. How could a piece of crap grey knight dude get close enough to a freaking daemonic primarch? Mortarion doesn't leave his throne very often....

I think I'll play Against GK ONCE. After that I'll just refuse to play against them. I think a lot of people will feel the same way.

Samus_aran115 wrote:That doesn't even make sense. How could a piece of crap grey knight dude get close enough to a freaking daemonic primarch? Mortarion doesn't leave his throne very often....

Well, he's not random generic Grey Knight #891, he is the 2nd in command of the entirity of the Grey Knighs chapter, so there's that...but yes. You see the basic problem with the Grey Knights fluff. Moreover, that's not the worst thing he's done. After that, he beat M'Kar a second time in an honestly cool fight, then M'Kar threw him into the Warp. ...This is where it gets bad, while he's in the Warp he kicks the ass of a Bloodthirster basically at the base of the Skull Throne, and takes the Bloodthirster's axe, and uses it to forge himself a new sword. He then burned Nurgle's gardens, and tore down the Immortal City of Tzeentch.

He is now so badass that daemons fear to fight him.

So we're lucky that he didn't kill one of the Chaos Gods, and I'm really really hoping Matt Ward is not given any new codexes to write.

Codex: Grey Knights features the champion of the 5th Chaos God, Malal, kicking all of the other's butts- at once, in a pudding wrassling match that no one wants to see- except for you, Slaanesh.

Codex Grey Knights means IoM wins, pack it up folks.

Codex Grey Knights means that the Emperor can still sleep comfy-cosy on his throne. No need to get up...

Codex: Grey Knights is the WAAC players dream and will at least generate enough revenue for GW to release a non space marine codex in the future.

Samus_aran115 wrote:That doesn't even make sense. How could a piece of crap grey knight dude get close enough to a freaking daemonic primarch? Mortarion doesn't leave his throne very often....

I think I'll play Against GK ONCE. After that I'll just refuse to play against them. I think a lot of people will feel the same way.

Grey Knights are the best the Imperium has though; expecially at their best against Daemons. So it isn't too far to think that one of the best of the best of the Grey Knights would be able to fight a daemon primarch. Out of everything the Imperium has, really, Grey Knights are the only thing that could stand upto one.

But yeah; it does sound a bit silly, but not absolutely as bad as people made out.

No Eldar Avatar was harmed in the production of this Codex.
(Well, you didn't believe this, right? Every Codex now kills an Eldar Avatar!)

Having seen the true "razor-spam" this codex can take (here's looking at YOU, leaked copy), this is kinda busted. Like "GW just raped my kitty" broken. The idea of running like 10-115 razorbacks with TL Plasma guns and Lascannons just feels wrong, and according to the codex, you can do it. Yuck. Bandwagon jumpers are gonna see a LOT bigger hole in their wallets for the number of razorbacks they'll hafta buy.

timetowaste85 wrote:Having seen the true "razor-spam" this codex can take (here's looking at YOU, leaked copy), this is kinda busted. Like "GW just raped my kitty" broken. The idea of running like 10-115 razorbacks with TL Plasma guns and Lascannons just feels wrong, and according to the codex, you can do it. Yuck. Bandwagon jumpers are gonna see a LOT bigger hole in their wallets for the number of razorbacks they'll hafta buy.

Um... you can only take 12 Razorbacks in C:GK. If you take Coteaz, Henchmen "ARE TROOPS"

This means that yes, they do take up a force org slot. The only time the do not take up a force org slot is if you take the one per Inquisitor.

And even if a GK player does take 12 Razorbacks, it means they're not taking any Vindicare Assassins, Dreaknights, Strike Squads, or Paladins.

The fact that people actually think this codex is overpowered is ridiculous right now. Just freaking wait till you see the armory and wargear, and then we'll see. Unless Psych-Out Grenades do something completely and totally insane, and unless Empyrean Brain Mines somehow negate enemy psychic defense, this codex will probably be very well balanced.

The fluff though...

I didn't see the inquisitor ruling, but I did see the "henchmen units will not take up any slots in the FOC" comment right under their heading. Is it in the inquisitors rule section?

-whoop, just saw that part. I need to read more carefully next time

timetowaste85 wrote:I didn't see the inquisitor ruling, but I did see the "henchmen units will not take up any slots in the FOC" comment right under their heading. Is it in the inquisitors rule section?

-whoop, just saw that part. I need to read more carefully next time

Annnnnnd here is your problem ladies and gentlemen. People are assuming that the codex is going to be overpowered instead of actually reading the rules carefully to try and get a real sense of the matter.

Codex Grey Knights is going to give me an anyeurism thanks to all the whining, and how much I need to defend it even though the copy we have is a playtest copy.

Codex: Grey Knights is, if I am hearing things correctly, allowing me to feild an army of Orangutangs in space. This is all I care about.

AlexHolker wrote:

Codex: Grey Knights has a Grey Knight hero wielding a daemon sword.

Maybe he's just a radical Grey Knight ... erm ...

Codex: Grey Knights has only two FA choices, one of which is just a Troops choice with a teleporter.

What? Again? For feth's sake GW, how hard is it to think of units that aren't just "this unit plus haz jump packs/bikes whatever."

Anyways:

Codex Grey Knights forces you to rend in order to kill AV 14.

Codex Grey Knights could be so much more than just Grey Knights.

Codex Grey Knights has more psychic powers that remove models from play.

Codex Grey Knights has too many psykers.

Codex Grey Knights hit my car in the parking lot and didn't leave a note.

Kroothawk wrote:No Eldar Avatar was harmed in the production of this Codex.
(Well, you didn't believe this, right? Every Codex now kills an Eldar Avatar!)

Hahaha, that is so true.. It really pisses mi off that Eldar Avatar has become a lousy pushover due to The Worf Effect

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

Holy feth gak you have got to be kidding! You are kidding right?

Doesn't that make Mortarion dead (or maybe the heart is on loan)? Hey, if he burned down Nurgle's garden did he rescue the trapped Eldar goddess? I'm guessing he not only rescued her he banged her and put the video on the internet for money.

Noisy_Marine wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Codex: Grey Knights has a Grey Knight hero wielding a daemon sword.

Maybe he's just a radical Grey Knight ... erm ...

He's the keeper of the Blade of Antwyr, a Demon Sword so evil that if it were simply cast into the void of space, it would inevitably draw a champion to its presence, and have to be delt with again.

Instead, the Champion of the Purifiers traditionally carries the blade, but does not call upon its powers, merely relying upon their skill at arms.

This is why the blade isn't a Force Weapon. It isn't even a power weapon. It's a close combat weapon.

However, due to Crowe's martial skill, his close combat attacks rend on a 4+. Oh, and any enemy unit that charges him gets Furious Charge AND re-rolls to hit, because the demon spurs rage in Crowe's enemies.

Overall, the Demon Weapon does more harm than good to Crowe, rules-wise. Oh look, and entry that actually makes sense....

See what happens when you don't jump to conclusions based on insufficient information?

Having read your reply, I maintain that the whole grey knight with a demon sword still sounds stupid. I don't care about the rules of the sword, its just a dumb idea.

I think it's not that bad. Not the worst fluff in the book by miles.

I mean, if I had found a daemon weapon, the Grey Knights would be the SMART place to keep it. Good at maintaining relics, (until this point) uncorruptable, enough strength to keep it and make sure no-one else gets it...

Most of the fluff is decent, and makes sense. However, it's just the Daigo fluff that drives me nuts. If they had ended it with him being sucked into the Warp, and appearing occasionally to help the Grey Knights, then it'd actually be pretty awesome!

But no, they had to put in a bunch of stuff of him doing awesome stuff in the Realm of Chaos....

shealyr wrote:He's the keeper of the Blade of Antwyr, a Demon Sword so evil that if it were simply cast into the void of space, it would inevitably draw a champion to its presence, and have to be delt with again.

Instead, the Champion of the Purifiers traditionally carries the blade, but does not call upon its powers, merely relying upon their skill at arms.

This is why the blade isn't a Force Weapon. It isn't even a power weapon. It's a close combat weapon.

That is still stupid. As I said on B&C, it's like the daemon weapon equivalent to "I tried smoking marijuana, but I didn't inhale". If he's not getting any benefit from wielding the damn thing, why tempt fate by doing so? Just carry the Blade of Antwyr and wield a second sword. It could even be a power sword if he likes.

Or maybe smash the Blade of Antwyr with a big hammer. Or have Draigo manifest sanctfied flame and destroy the hammer, since he's already used that to destroy Nurgle's garden, Slaanesh's harem, Tzeentch's city, and Khorne's bungalow.

Have you seen the rules (or 'leaked' copy), they are insanely cheap, same points as a regular bolter armed marine, but with a force weapon AND a storm bolter (assault, ASSAULT NOT Rapid fire!) and psychic powers! Omg, and the dreadknight aswell, makes me want to puke!

NoBaconz4You wrote:Have you seen the rules (or 'leaked' copy), they are insanely cheap, same points as a regular bolter armed marine, but with a force weapon AND a storm bolter (assault, ASSAULT NOT Rapid fire!) and psychic powers! Omg, and the dreadknight aswell, makes me want to puke!

What are? Thousand Sons?