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sebster wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:I have personally never seen an overweight muslim woman in person. The few muslim women I do see at the local supermarket wear a headscarf and generally western style clothing, and are either really cute or old enough to be my grandmother. And they don't seem too submissive to their men either.

Me too, but we're not talking about all Muslim women, just the Western women that converted to Islam from personal choice.

In my experience fat Muslim women tend to be of the Nana-Benz sort, meaning that they have come to some sort of economic power. Otherwise overtly Muslim women tend to be married to less than accommodating men.

On an unrelated note, I've been reminded of the time that the aforementioned beautiful Iranian girl decided to cast off her former culture bu going skinny dipping, all who witnessed were pleased.

dogma wrote: all who witnessed were pleased.

But all those who had to hear about it but not witness it were greatly saddened.

Ahtman wrote:

dogma wrote: all who witnessed were pleased.

But all those who had to hear about it but not witness it were greatly saddened.

True dat.

I love how almost everyone is acting like a daily mail reader and as a result are gleefully getting ready to be offended. It's like some of you get off on it. And I notice nobody was offended by fatty wanting to merrily commit genocide.

What's with everyone being constantly offended all the time? Lots of things offend me, but its no excuse to silence people, so man up and contribute or go and read something else.

Sebster gets it. Damn straight its something you can talk about.

I believe that any woman raised in a secular environment who turns to religion late in life, specifically in this case Islam, does so because of an emotional instability. If I had the money and the resources I bet I could prove it too.

Screw it, id say the same for men as well. Take a survey of 30,000 devoutly religious people between the age of 18-50 who would say they described themselves as non religious when they were in high school.

Ask them the number one reason they turned to their current religion, and see the results. Considering the overwhelming majority of devout people have the same religion as their parents, I'm willing to bet my house that the reason they turn to Allah or Jesus or whatever is because of general unhappiness, depression, insecurity, personal tragedy or all of the above. Hardly any will say "because I studied lots of religions and it made way more sense than the rest"

Ergo, I say fat honking women are far more likely to "find" Allah in adulthood than self confident, happy people

Simple.

Now refute me.. or just complain some more.

mattyrm wrote:Hardly any will say "because I studied lots of religions and it made way more sense than the rest"

Whilst I agree with you that I think the majority of people who are "turned on" to religion later in life are converted because of some deep seated unhappiness with how their life is, it would need to be a pretty clever analysis of their personality that could uncover the possible reasons why they made the change.

Many people go through life unaware, or unwilling to admit to themselves what it is that drives them. I would argue that many people make a choice because it "made way more sense than the rest" without understanding exactly why the made that choice, or will essentially lie to themselves about the reasoning behind it. This is not strictly limited to religion and happens all the time.

Just look at most men or women who go through a mid life crisis and buy a new sports car, or who change their wardrobe and get a new fab hair style, etc.

@mattyrm

define "white" and "western"

are we strictly talking US here?

A lot of the women converting to Islam late in life can be attributed to marriage. This is true for a lot of folks in Europe.

No not just US mate, Europe too, as my record breaking taxi laps were achieved in England.

Sorry im on my phone so its hard to get this all making sense. I basically mean any secular educated first world woman who is not a practicing believer and finds religion later In life.

@mattyrm

I dunno man. I got a few muslim relatives and friends and I gotta say, the dudes know how to pick em. I attended my friend's wedding in indonesia and his wife isnt what id call fat and dumpy. She's English if im not mistaken.

id post pics but its not my place you know?

so are we eliminating "conversion through marriage" as part of whatever it is you have here?

one thing I do know though is that the women tend to be "muslim to an extent" as they dont practice some of the traditions and are very adverse to the idea of multiple wives

Bakerofish wrote:one thing I do know though is that the women tend to be "muslim to an extent"

I've found that converts often become hyper-religious, this in regards of people who convert "for the religion" rather than "for their partner".

SilverMK2 wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:one thing I do know though is that the women tend to be "muslim to an extent"

I've found that converts often become hyper-religious, this in regards of people who convert "for the religion" rather than "for their partner".

Like ex-smokers. There is no-one more rabid anti-smoking than a reformed smoker.

Cheesecat wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:

Frazzled wrote:AGREED LETS GET OFF THE MUSLIM ASPECT.

As much as it nearly drives me to firey projectile diarrhea to type it, I mus agree with Frazz. The "Muslim" terrorists aren't really Muslims, they are ignorant losers recruited by the CIA so that the powers that be can have a boogeyman to use when they want to manipulate the people with fear. Just like the Oklahoma city bombers weren't Christians and the Israelis who are slowly destroying the Lebanese people aren't really Jews.

Can we STOP it with the blatant stereotypes and Islam hate, guys seriously!!!

Ironically I was at a hockey game last night...

I'm not seeing the irony...

Albatross wrote:I'm not seeing the irony...

The pic of hockey player, going to see a hockey game...

mattyrm wrote:I love how almost everyone is acting like a daily mail reader and as a result are gleefully getting ready to be offended. It's like some of you get off on it. And I notice nobody was offended by fatty wanting to merrily commit genocide.

I think the topic of people converting or otherwise changing/finding faith as adults (meaning post college) is an interesting one, and when you boil it down, you're thesis is pretty much "people that make dramatic changes in their lives are emotionally unfulfilled," which is something I'd endorse.

I dont' think people are offended by the idea, but rather the presentation. When most people are discussing topics like psychology and religion they tend to take efforts to avoid offense. Your post... went a different route.

Frazzled wrote:

Albatross wrote:I'm not seeing the irony...

The pic of hockey player, going to see a hockey game...

It's obviously some sort of Alanis Morissette type of irony, rather than actual irony.


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SilverMK2 wrote:Whilst I agree with you that I think the majority of people who are "turned on" to religion later in life are converted because of some deep seated unhappiness with how their life is, it would need to be a pretty clever analysis of their personality that could uncover the possible reasons why they made the change.

Seriously not trolling here, but do you think the same applies to people who are "turned off" of religion later in life?

Is it so wrong to have an unfulfilled life and find fulfillment?

biccat wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Whilst I agree with you that I think the majority of people who are "turned on" to religion later in life are converted because of some deep seated unhappiness with how their life is, it would need to be a pretty clever analysis of their personality that could uncover the possible reasons why they made the change.

Seriously not trolling here, but do you think the same applies to people who are "turned off" of religion later in life?

I think the two aren't really comparable in general. People raised in a secular environment who become religious later in life almost always do so out of a desperate need for community, support, and/or "answers", which implies a prior lack thereof. Rejecting religion means removing oneself from a community and its support, and deciding that its answers are wrong, which means one either has or must find those things elsewhere. Now, if someone does so because they can't reconcile a tragic event with their faith, then I can imagine they'd end up bitter and miserable, because their bitterness and misery are the very things causing the change in the first place.

Basically, in most cases someone becoming religious implies that they previously disbelieved or rejected the answers the respective religion puts forth, but takes them up out of a desperate need for community and the support thereof. Openly rejecting it almost always means coming to disbelieve the answers it puts forth, while not needing the community and support that comes along with them. Someone who either tries to believe its answers, but doesn't, or who pretends to believe, solely in order to become or remain part of the community associated with a faith, would almost necessarily be at the least internally conflicted, and more often quite miserably so.

biccat wrote:
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SilverMK2 wrote:Whilst I agree with you that I think the majority of people who are "turned on" to religion later in life are converted because of some deep seated unhappiness with how their life is, it would need to be a pretty clever analysis of their personality that could uncover the possible reasons why they made the change.

Seriously not trolling here, but do you think the same applies to people who are "turned off" of religion later in life?

I would agree, but only when you are talking about those that become rabidly so.

Those who convert to a religion from a secular or different religious background normally go unnoticed unless they are the kind in the OP, the undoubtedly vocal minority, and the same goes for those that were raised religious and became atheist or ambivalent.

I also agree with KK though, if it gives people a measure of happiness then good for them.

biccat wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Whilst I agree with you that I think the majority of people who are "turned on" to religion later in life are converted because of some deep seated unhappiness with how their life is, it would need to be a pretty clever analysis of their personality that could uncover the possible reasons why they made the change.

Seriously not trolling here, but do you think the same applies to people who are "turned off" of religion later in life?

I would have to point you towards Sir Pseudonymous's post. I would say that yes - someone who makes a rather large change in their life is generally unhappy. Perhaps they come to the realisation that they never really believed in their position in the first place. Perhaps an event occurs which causes them to question their position. Perhaps the just come to find they dislike the community they are a part of.

As I said, the rationalisation that one generally makes to oneself can cover a multitude of "lies to self" and "unknown by self" factors.

Very few people will go through life and logically work their way though the available information before making a decision - most people will make a gut reaction and then attempt to justify it later on.

Kilkrazy wrote:Is it so wrong to have an unfulfilled life and find fulfillment?

While it's definitely not wrong to find fulfillment with your life, I am slightly worried about those who take it to extremes, like the woman in the video. Finding fullfillment in your life is good, no doubt about that. But if that fullfillment is hating others, and promoting genocide then I think that's not so laudable.

I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Ahtman wrote:I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

Frazzled wrote:aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

You know what's remarkable? Is how much England looks in no way like Southern California.

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

You know what's remarkable? Is how much England looks in no way like Southern California.

I was going to post a "I see what you did thar" but you linked and made it obvious...

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

Well, it's nice to see something good come out of this thread. (I'm being serious that made me laugh)

corpsesarefun wrote:

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think, what we are getting at is that older middle class white British women are unhappy becuase they have tossed aside by society and thus their only recourse is radical Islam. Obliviously California is similar and thus gets similar results. And in the end, aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

You know what's remarkable? Is how much England looks in no way like Southern California.

I was going to post a "I see what you did thar" but you linked and made it obvious...

I would be willing to remove the link if you feel the need to post an image relating to your seeing what I did there.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:aren't California and Britain basically the same country?

Indeed, after all they are both near water.

Hmmm... Prime Minister Schwarzenegger has a certain ring to it... He would almost certainly be better than any of our muppets.

biccat wrote:
I would be willing to remove the link if you feel the need to post an image relating to your seeing what I did there.

Despite how intense my desire to proclaim how I saw what you did there is I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline your offer to remove the link to allow me to post and image relating to myself seeing what you did there.

Bit late on the thread so missed all the haters! My first ever girlfriend went the way of the great white islamic convert but I can console myself with these...



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