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Ok I need some guidance on this on. Just had a quick look at Forgeworld site and can see 5 man resin squads selling for £20.40. So if my maths is right it would cost £40.40 for a 10 man squad.

Are GW going to let Forgeworld use any of this nice new cheap resin?

Is this resin made using any oil based products? If so are we then not open to GW banging up the prices when oil prices go up?

GW kicked my dog, slept with my sister, and stole my garage door opener.

kronk wrote:GW kicked my dog, slept with my sister, and stole my garage door opener.

Is that all? They also pooped in my coat closet and drank all of my beer!

I hate resin, it's all bendy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Liking the game =/= liking GW.

What do you mean by this statement? After all, you don't seem to be GWs biggest supporter right now, yet, haven't you just placed a large "final" order with Maelstrom, obviously in the hope of finishing your armies and...dare I say it, continuing to play the game?

So I'm confused then, does this mean you like GW?

Delephont, the =/= means "does not equal."

He's saying that he likes the game, but doesn't like the company, and that doing one isn't necessarily the other.

Must be going blind...I didn't see the /

Stoopid interwebs

Delephont wrote:Must be going blind..

The internet will do that to you. For various reasons.

MandalorynOranj wrote:Sorry that this is off topic, but how do you un-ignore people? I accidentally ignored Sarpedon in another thread and I'm getting sick of hitting "show this post" every time he comes up in a thread, haha.

Ouch, that hurts man!!

Seriously, I agree with Warspawned..... Best thing you could have done

This is just my opinion , i see a lot of members of Dakka and certain other forums are enraged about the price rises in GW (RECENTLY) , I can see where you are all coming from but to me if you enjoy the hobby enough then you would be willing to pay the raised prices ? i certainly am and am a loyal GW customer. Also i feel that the price raise in certain models that will be made in finecast instead of metal is fair , yes finecast may cost less to produce but i feel that the models will save a lot of time being made and will actually stay together without pinning e.ge Ghazskull Tharaka , or Ork big mek with shokk attack gun.

However i totally disagree with them disallowing shipping to certain places as i feel that this can exclude many from the hobby , i think that this is a very big slip up by GW. As people say the customer is always right , Correct ? Let me hear what you think.

~UnDeAd~

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Hi Undead
I enjoy the hobby
But take the argument of paying for the game you enjoy to an extreme, would you still be prepared to pay £400 for a tactical squad of marines?
if not at what point would you stop? In all likelihood there will be a cut of point for you.

Some of us have already decided that point has been reached

I like my photography, but can't afford to buy the latest kit when it comes out. If I wait 18 months the price usually quite a bit. Same with my Xbox games. I wait 6 months to a year and they come down in price. GW just keeps sticking them up.

Wolfstan
This is spot on and disproves the "but it is Capitalism and GWs needs to make a profit so they have to put the price up" argument. As if price hikes are the only way to run a business and make a profit.

And for anyone who thinks it is a niche market:
Definition of a niche market=place to buy and sell recesses in walls.

Having given the whole GW thing some serious thought (and no, I'm not going back )

I wonder if people would be that bothered by the recent statements by GW, if they knew that there wasn't a threat of their armies being made partially redundant each time they revise their rules.

The rumour is out that WH40K 6th edition is due to come out next year....or somthing like that! So, all the armies released either during or before 5th edition are going to be at threat. No doubt there will be the usual Codex updates as well, and the cycle continues....given how much GW expects its customers to invest, no only in money terms, but also in time (building and painting) I think this is might be where the problem with GW strategy lies.

I have a completed IG army, but I can't help but wonder what will become of them in 6th edition....will that be the point where , ultimately, GW forces me to make a choice....either re-invest in GW products or quit playing the game altogether.....

What do you guys think? would it make any difference if GW made their rules updates a true update, rather than a clean sheet re-write? Would you feel better with some guarantee that they as a company would protect your investment in them, even though they encourage you to continue investing?

@ Chibi Bodge-Battle , I totally agree with what you are saying about having a cut off point for your spending , everyones is different. Thats why at the start of my post i said it was my opinion for me the hobby is more than just a game i love every element of it and yeah i probably would pay stupid amounts for certain squads that i knew wern't worth it , I would probably stop at the point where i had only enough to fund my needs for the game. Do you see where i am coming from ? And i think that everyone blowing up at GW to me seems strange because although we have a great love for the hobby we are not willing to pay a little extra for in my eyes better quality and less hassle moddels.

Also just reading what Delephont said i would feel a lot happier if GW were to protect our investments in them , however i still feel that i couldent give up the hobby due to the fact of new codex releases and having to change a couple squads for new ones , after all its not like were changing our entire armies is it ?

Thanks for your opinion

~UnDeAd~

Have mentioned the inbuilt obsolescene elsewhere and is a factor in why I have given up on GW

It is too late for such a guarantee as I won't go back now.

IMHO, it'd be a lot better if GW didn't just clean-wipe and re-start the ruleset, 8th ed. WHFB did that and while it worked out, it might not for 6th ed. 40k.

Sure, GW encourages buying new models and new books. But sometimes I feel like they're just changing things for the sake of changing.

And I swear... 6th ed. should NOT happen until Tau, Necrons and Eldar get an update. C'est la vie I suppose.

Hi Undead
just typed a considered response and pressed something that made the page disappear.
Basically I have no desire to see other people's enjoyment ruined by GW going belly up
Long term I feel GW's business plan is detrimental to the hobby you love and people telling them now that they need change at the top is necessary.

Sorry that is but a pale shadow of what I typed

~UnDeAd~ wrote:This is just my opinion , i see a lot of members of Dakka and certain other forums are enraged about the price rises in GW (RECENTLY) , I can see where you are all coming from but to me if you enjoy the hobby enough then you would be willing to pay the raised prices ? i certainly am and am a loyal GW customer. Also i feel that the price raise in certain models that will be made in finecast instead of metal is fair , yes finecast may cost less to produce but i feel that the models will save a lot of time being made and will actually stay together without pinning e.ge Ghazskull Tharaka , or Ork big mek with shokk attack gun.

However i totally disagree with them disallowing shipping to certain places as i feel that this can exclude many from the hobby , i think that this is a very big slip up by GW. As people say the customer is always right , Correct ? Let me hear what you think.

~UnDeAd~

As Warren put it on Beasts of War , its nothing new for them to raise prices and at the same time to have the cry of the community saying "I'M QUITTING" , and then a few months pass and life resumes as normal - but at what point do we, as the community actually say "ENOUGH!"

I mean $42 CAD for 3x tyranid warriors was ridiculous , now its going up to $50 ... Back when it was $42 I would buy various body parts off ebay and collected 3x warriors doing it that way and it cost me about $25... and in the end I still think $25 for THREE plastic miniatures about 2 inches tall each is ridiculous.

Also I believe retailers cant sell overseas anymore (ie Weyland can't ship to anybody in North America, Australia, etc).

I bought my last box of 5x Grey Knights this last saturday... my grey knights list is now about 2300 points with all of my models - I'm done. I now have three full armies (Necrons, Tyranids, and Grey Knights). I was going to start up Imperial Guard this year, but it looks like it would eat into my vacation fund too much so screw that.

Cryage wrote:I was going to start up Imperial Guard this year, but it looks like it would eat into my vacation fund too much so screw that.

Here's the thing - take GW out of 40k!

Wargames factory has an awesome sprue of DKoK-esque models that are perfect for 40k. The deals you can get with them are pretty decent - $118 for 127 miniatures? That's a steal!

Then it's just going and finding some cheap 28mm sci-fi tanks, or even WWII models that you alter a bit. I'm actually tempted to try this myself.

That's what I'm doing with my IG. There won't be a single GW part in the entire army.

I'm probably the only person on this site that actually likes GW. I have no problem with their prices. Nobody forces me to buy their stuff. Only average I probably spend about $200 on models per year, which works out about 3 bucks a week. I probably spend more on fly swatters than models.

This may sound strange, but in recent years, GW price rises were probably the best thing that happened to me. It made me improvise and increase my enjoyment of the hobby.

For example, why buy terrain why you can make your own. Why buy modelling sand when you can hop down to the beach and get a ton of the stuff. Why keep old models that were picking up dust in the attic when you can sell them and buy new ones.

Keep your loose change and put it in a piggy bank or tin. After a few months you can buy a regiment no probs.
Why buy White dwarf when there is a ton of articles on sites like dakka. Why buy GW products when there are dozens of other firms making good, if not better stuff.
etc etc.

I don't want to upset people on this site, but please

STOP ******* WHINING about GW! use a bit of imagination. As it had been pointed out by others, they are not the hobby. Rant over. sorry for any offence caused.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm probably the only person on this site that actually likes GW. I have no problem with their prices. Nobody forces me to buy their stuff. Only average I probably spend about $200 on models per year, which works out about 3 bucks a week. I probably spend more on fly swatters than models.

This may sound strange, but in recent years, GW price rises were probably the best thing that happened to me. It made me improvise and increase my enjoyment of the hobby.

For example, why buy terrain why you can make your own. Why buy modelling sand when you can hop down to the beach and get a ton of the stuff. Why keep old models that were picking up dust in the attic when you can sell them and buy new ones.

Keep your loose change and put it in a piggy bank or tin. After a few months you can buy a regiment no probs.
Why buy White dwarf when there is a ton of articles on sites like dakka. Why buy GW products when there are dozens of other firms making good, if not better stuff.
etc etc.

I don't want to upset people on this site, but please

STOP ******* WHINING about GW! use a bit of imagination. As it had been pointed out by others, they are not the hobby. Rant over. sorry for any offence caused.

Your not the only person that feels this way , i am totally the same way and also if i have upset anyone so far that is not what i want to achieve i am merely stating my opinion and how i feel about GW

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm probably the only person on this site that actually likes GW. I have no problem with their prices. Nobody forces me to buy their stuff. Only average I probably spend about $200 on models per year, which works out about 3 bucks a week. I probably spend more on fly swatters than models.

This may sound strange, but in recent years, GW price rises were probably the best thing that happened to me. It made me improvise and increase my enjoyment of the hobby.

For example, why buy terrain why you can make your own. Why buy modelling sand when you can hop down to the beach and get a ton of the stuff. Why keep old models that were picking up dust in the attic when you can sell them and buy new ones.

Keep your loose change and put it in a piggy bank or tin. After a few months you can buy a regiment no probs.
Why buy White dwarf when there is a ton of articles on sites like dakka. Why buy GW products when there are dozens of other firms making good, if not better stuff.
etc etc.

I don't want to upset people on this site, but please

STOP ******* WHINING about GW! use a bit of imagination. As it had been pointed out by others, they are not the hobby. Rant over. sorry for any offence caused.

You're missing the point. Sure, people are upset about GW's prices.

How about GW's embargo on the southern hemisphere? How about the cheaper to produce, yet more expensive to buy 'Finecost'? What about their new 'marketing strategy' in which they no longer reveal any new releases until a week before the actual release?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Been under a rock the past week and a half?

Was switching to a cheaper material to save on production costs yet raising the prices not enough for you?
Was banning sales to the southern hemisphere except by southern hemisphere retailers not a big enough thing to notice?
Was an up-to 25% price rise on books and plastic kits something that skipped by?
Was a doubling-down on secrecy and preview information something you didn't notice?
Was reorganising WD subscriptions to arrive a week after they come out in stores to vague?

Let's add the following;

Get into an Army, like Tyranids, only to have the models you paid for WEAKENED and NERFED by a FAQ?
Get into an Army, like Deamons/Tyrnaids/Space Wolves only to not have models available to you, like, ever, even years after a release?
Have an army that has a codex with nearly decades old rules from TWO EDITIONS ago?
Have updated rules come out for your army only years after the fact?
Have rules written so vague that you have no clue whether you can use your $200 dollar unit one way one game or another way another game?
Have basic rules written so sloppily and vague that you can play 20 different strangers and come across 500 different rules interpretations?
Be insulted by a company that repackages regular items, like pva glue and kneadetitie, and sells them to your kids like they are top of the line at top of the line prices?
Get into a company selling a war game whose mind is stuck in the 80's?
Have your subscription to WhiteDwarf insult you by costing too much for essentially a monthly catalog?
Got rid of their gaming forum years ago?
Got rid of their bitz service?
etc etc etc etc etc...

I could go on forever. My point is, companies like Privateer Press, Corvus Belli, Mantic, etc... violate almost NONE of these issues. They know how to treat their customers as HOBBYISTS first, and WALLETS second.

Read a Privateer Press rule book. It explains the difference between the word FURY in all caps and the word fury in lower case when you come across either in the rule. The fact that a rule that has a "NEVER" clause always beats out a rule with an "ALWAYS" clause unless the rule states plainly that it counters a specific rule that has "NEVER" in it. There simply is little to no confusion with other companies rules because their authors know how to read, write and edit in English, unlike GW, who seem to not be able to write at a 4th grade reading level.

GW hate exists because quite frankly, if you aren't a 17 year old getting into the hobby for two years before dropping out (which is their prime target demographic, short term gaming teenagers with parents who buy their toys for them) then GW essentially hates you.

Log onto the GW forums. Send a GW developer email/mail and talk with them. Wait, you can't because commoners aren't allowed in thier self built elitist ivory tower. You sure can talk to, and start meaningful dialogue with the developers of just about any other war gaming company out there.

Stop going to McDonalds when there are 15 other eateries around you serving top quality steak for less than their cheese burger.

I am only 17 , and no i havent just got into the hobby for 2 years , i have been purchasing and playing with warhammer 40k from GW since i was 8 and i believe i will continue to do so untill i am unable to , not every 17 year old has things bought for them , i know values. I work hard for the money i earn and spend on GW just as much as any of you.

~UnDeAd~ wrote:I am only 17 , and no i havent just got into the hobby for 2 years , i have been purchasing and playing with warhammer 40k from GW since i was 8 and i believe i will continue to do so untill i am unable to , not every 17 year old has things bought for them , i know values. I work hard for the money i earn and spend on GW just as much as any of you.

But that's the thing. You're 17. Hell, I'm only two years older than you and I'm feeling the squeeze thanks to college.

Just wait until you've got student loans to pay back. A house to worry over. Insurance to pay. I'm not at that point yet, but I'm sure a lot of Dakkites are older than you and I, and have much more to worry about.

At that point, miniature wargames becomes a way for them to let off steam and just have fun. They get to ignore the whole 'being an adult' thing, and push little plastic soldiers, lovingly painted, across imagined wartorn battlefields.

Yes , i see where you are coming from , i do not go to college at the moment i have a job working as a mechanic , yes it dosen't pay great but i learn to manage my money thats the reason that i can see why older members are angry having to pay more for models amongst Tax and bills for houses etc but also no one is forcing them into the hobby to spend more money on it , its an expensive hobby everyone knows that and still many put up with the prices and enjoy it.

~UnDeAd~

~UnDeAd~ wrote:I am only 17 , and no i havent just got into the hobby for 2 years , i have been purchasing and playing with warhammer 40k from GW since i was 8 and i believe i will continue to do so untill i am unable to , not every 17 year old has things bought for them , i know values. I work hard for the money i earn and spend on GW just as much as any of you.

That's the point. You are exactly who GW markets it's crap for.

In a few years when you are working on securing your future, going to college, dealing with a girlfriend, moving out to a more expensive place, paying insurance and car payments, putting money away in your 401k, buying your own food, just being an adult, you may not spend as much on 40k as you do now.

And when you move on, someone else will be 17 to fill your shoes.