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I'm honestly curious, what has GW done recently to warrant so much anger from the community?

Their price rise of 5 to 10 bucks for a couple of sets? The embargo against out-of-Europe shipping for indie stockists? Something else that I missed?

If this is in some way flame-baiting, I'm sorry in advance, but I really don't get all the anger and hatred towards GW, and I was hoping somebody would explain so that I can decide whether it's worth continuing to play before I buy more plastic/resin gold.

Been under a rock the past week and a half?

Was switching to a cheaper material to save on production costs yet raising the prices not enough for you?
Was banning sales to the southern hemisphere except by southern hemisphere retailers not a big enough thing to notice?
Was an up-to 25% price rise on books and plastic kits something that skipped by?
Was a doubling-down on secrecy and preview information something you didn't notice?
Was reorganising WD subscriptions to arrive a week after they come out in stores to vague?

^I stopped playing for most of the year as college began, with the year over I'm testing the waters to see if coming back is worth it.

At these prices? Certainly not. Keep what you got and play with that, or just walk on by.

Despite what some people will tell you, if you still like the game, keep playing. I mean, yeah, it's mostly principle and business moves that cause hate with GW. The prices have shifted a bit, again, but meh, it still is within my range of affordability.

In the end, IMHO, I still think it's worth sticking around. Finecast looks to be interesting, and I'll be happy to take a look when it comes out. No one grumbled when PP made the change to resin Modedit: There has been no change to resin. So far only the new Battle Engines have resin parts, generally the large chunks. But most of the Privateer Press Line is metal.. I'm not a GW apologist, I'm not their #1 fan, I just love WHFB too much to quit. There's a LOT of people out there who will tell you that GW is the devil, and while I certainly understand the disappointment for GW as a company, I hope that you take both sides into account.

Ultimately, what keeps me going is the game itself, and the setting. If you still feel like the game is worth it, go for it. If not, PP, Malifaux, and others offer great alternatives, and I'd encourage you to check them out if you plan on leaving.

^lol.

My main issue with playing with what I got is I need many more kits to have a good setup I like...with BA, an expensive army to buy.

At this point Flames of War looks better and better.

Liking the game =/= liking GW.

True, but as someone whose only local store is a GW one, and who would have to go there to increase the size of my army, it's a big connection between the two. Though I'd try to find a local club to play with I'm fairly restricted.

Price is always an issue. IMHO though, all of the costs end up being roughly* similar. PP ended up costing almost as much as my 2,250 Dark Elves (Believe it or not) for my Cryx. Not to say that GW's pricing is reasonable by any standard.

I'm already looking at Dwarfs for my next WHFB project, and 30 Hammerers will easily cost $150...



*not always the case

Pretty sure HBMC hit the nail on the head. They've done so much stuff in the past week that has had a negative impact on most of their customers that it's hardly a surprise there is so much hate. Kanluwen and I (and others) have repeatedly stood up for them, but I can't anymore and I haven't seen Kan sticking up for them as much anymore either (Kan, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong-just going based on what I've seen and not intending to incriminate you or put words in your mouth). Some guys will defend them to the death and would pay $100 for a box of tactical marines, with everything direct order only, ebay sued and FLGSs forced to pay a 15% markup beyond GW standard price, but I feel they've finally done too much to accept anymore. If you still appreciate them, that's fine-your choice. But many of us who have been staunch supporters are finally siding against them. Vote with your wallet-if you support them, buy the more expensive stuff. If you don't support them, quit spending-this includes putting the last touches on your army before the markup then walking away (I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise).

Elector wrote:... and who would have to go there to increase the size of my army...

Why? The Internet exists. You're using it. The end of the week may see Canada shut off from online US discounters, but there are still Canadian-based discounters.

I've been supporting them strongly for a few years now when people bash them, but lately I just feel like I'm going through the motions.

I have a fairly strict budget, and as the prices climb I see my chances of completing my army (mostly in the process of building rather than completing, pre-markup it would set me back 650$ for the stuff I really want) fade away into the clouds...

So yeah, I might buy here or there, I'll certainly take care of them more, but I can't afford to buy multiple kits at a time and as new releases pile up I'll likely be left behind. On the other hand, I love wargaming, so I'm going to be looking a other games for now.

EDIT:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Elector wrote:... and who would have to go there to increase the size of my army...

Why? The Internet exists. You're using it. The end of the week may see Canada shut off from online US discounters, but there are still Canadian-based discounters.

True, it will have to depend on shipping and reliability, and quality. Also on payment options.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Liking the game =/= liking GW.

I know exactly what you mean. I'd like to be like, hey baby, you're a freak but you just got too much crazy going on, and I don't hook up with bunny boilers. But then Necrons are going to come out, and I'm going to be like damn girl, and then next thing you know, it's angry sex time again.

It's complicated.

People in Australia and New Zealand are even more angry.

The price rise and the shutting off from the Euro Zone means around a 110-150% increase in price.

Think about that... and then ask if you would be angry

Saw the thread title and lollorolled

It isn't just this weekend. Not been in the hobby all that long, but the GW HQ just seem to make the most bizzare, counter intuitive business decisions.

It is an accumulation of events and things have finally boiled over for some.

If there is one thing that has just been one moronic move too far it is a toss up between the Lamassu Head Iconoclastic Controversy and the decision to really turn the screw on our mukkers down under.
The latter prolly gets my vote, as it was a really stupid and aggravating decision by GW.

But what do I know. Apparently the investors think everything in the garden is rosy and sweet smelling.
They are apparently oblivious to the thorns and the horse muck being raked over.

I'm hoping the change in resin costs means that even if the
price is going up, there's a chance it will stabilize and remain
profitable at that set price.

Yeah, I know.

malfred wrote:I'm hoping the change in resin costs means that even if the
price is going up, there's a chance it will stabilize and remain
profitable at that set price.

Yeah, I know.

Oh Mal... you sweet, beautiful fool... you keep dreaming that crazy dream!

malfred wrote:I'm hoping the change in resin costs means that even if the
price is going up, there's a chance it will stabilize and remain
profitable at that set price.

Yeah, I know.

I'm just waiting for them to tell us around Christmas time that another price rise is needed.

I've only been in the hobby for little over a year now, and I am already on to the GW 'scheme'.
After visiting a GW for the first time a few months ago, I saw how the owner of the store tried to get little kids passing by the mall store to come in and look. Once they were walking around looking at all of the pictures on the boxes, I assumed that they believed that the actual painted models were inside the box. Being children, they want what they see and promptly got their naive parents to buy two sets of AoBR (which IMO has the worst casts for a 'starter box' ever). I could only shake my head and realize that as long as these kids get their way and buy tons of model that GW will just keep increasing prices.

Now I know that this isn't the ONLY factor that plays into these increases, but it is my best used excuse for the way that I believe GW works.

All of that said, I run foot guard, foot Eldar, and SW cavalry armies. I don't plan on buying any more models unless its a special unit here and there, so I have little to worry about financially with my wargamming. However, my friend is interested in getting started with necrons and if a squad of 'finecast' warriors hits $37 -$40 then I can only feel sad for him.

timetowaste85 wrote: and FLGSs forced to pay a 15% markup beyond GW standard price, b).

huh? thats news to me and I should know.


oh wait, now I see, its an example.

Ouze wrote: I'd like to be like, hey baby, you're a freak but you just got too much crazy going on, and I don't hook up with bunny boilers. But then Necrons are going to come out, and I'm going to be like damn girl, and then next thing you know, it's angry sex time again.

It's complicated.

Dude, sigged. Had me rolling.

Cryonicleech wrote:No one grumbled when PP made the change to resin.

That would be because they didn't. 5 new models in hybrid resin/metal kits =/= "making the change to resin."

To answer this OP 's question this is the internet and this is the only legal place to get rid of your anger over the course of a week of hate.

Sergeant Horse wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote: and FLGSs forced to pay a 15% markup beyond GW standard price, b).

huh? thats news to me and I should know.


oh wait, now I see, its an example.

Yeah, sorry it was just an example of a future possibility from the decisions GW has made recently that wouldn't surprise me in the least

ill still buy,just not as offten :(

prices have gone up on everything not just gw,just go to your local genreal store,food, gas,travel.......oh man i sound old manish now :(

all in all,gw threw three strikes in one week,and thats alot of anger in one week!!

31rls31 wrote:ill still buy,just not as offten :(

prices have gone up on everything not just gw,just go to your local genreal store,food, gas,travel.......oh man i sound old manish now :(

all in all,gw threw three strikes in one week,and thats alot of anger in one week!!

buying gas will make you go broke. Do parkour its better.
So will buying Games Workshop stuff. In order to surivive in this tireing times freeload by catching rides on your friends vehicles. either that or find your local ork.

Laughing Man wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:No one grumbled when PP made the change to resin.

That would be because they didn't. 5 new models in hybrid resin/metal kits =/= "making the change to resin."

Yeah... the new resin Trenchers and Gun Mages to replace the metal ones seems pretty indicative of their direction... as well as all the new Resin 'jacks

Those weren't accompanied by a raise in prices, and PP is much mire forthcoming with information than GW and actually makes an effort in maintaining good public relations.

Elector wrote:^lol.

My main issue with playing with what I got is I need many more kits to have a good setup I like...with BA, an expensive army to buy.

At this point Flames of War looks better and better.

Also, check out www.infinitythegame.com I have got all that new game excitement feeling with it now, rather than having an uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach any time I go near anything GW related.

Cryonicleech wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:No one grumbled when PP made the change to resin.

That would be because they didn't. 5 new models in hybrid resin/metal kits =/= "making the change to resin."

Yeah... the new resin Trenchers and Gun Mages to replace the metal ones seems pretty indicative of their direction... as well as all the new Resin 'jacks

Wait, what? There are no resin Trenchers or Gun Mages.