Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hmm, I suppose actually discriminating based on positive attributes (real or imagined) is still harmful. Selecting more Asian in an engineering school because they're Asian isn't good.

But being comfortable with a high percentage of Asian kids in your engineering program because you selected the best isn't discriminatory, it's the way things go.

There are endless stories in football of players that are undervalued becasue they're the "wrong" race for their position. Teams that overlook that have competive advantage (how little did New England pay for Wes Welker?)

The NFL tends to be more of a bottom line exercise than the college game, which is why there are more black NFL head coaches than FBS head coaches, despite the NFL being a quarter of the size. It's interesting that more black head coaches have won Super Bowls than black quarterbacks.

Polonius wrote:Hmm, I suppose actually discriminating based on positive attributes (real or imagined) is still harmful. Selecting more Asian in an engineering school because they're Asian isn't good.

But being comfortable with a high percentage of Asian kids in your engineering program because you selected the best isn't discriminatory, it's the way things go.

And that is the heart of most opposition (not all, since some of it may be based on real racism) to affirmative action programs.

Polonius wrote:There are endless stories in football of players that are undervalued becasue they're the "wrong" race for their position. Teams that overlook that have competive advantage (how little did New England pay for Wes Welker?)

Polonius wrote:The NFL tends to be more of a bottom line exercise than the college game, which is why there are more black NFL head coaches than FBS head coaches, despite the NFL being a quarter of the size. It's interesting that more black head coaches have won Super Bowls than black quarterbacks.

Interesting, but not necessarily statistically relevant.

That's the problem with sports statistics. If you keep track of enough information, eventually you'll find a relationship worth mentioning.

Maths ability and sporting ability can be tested objectively, so there's no need to pick according to skin colour.

Kilkrazy wrote:Maths ability and sporting ability can be tested objectively, so there's no need to pick according to skin colour.

Not all sporting ability. There are reams written on the difference between how white and black players are percieved, particulalry in positions that don't have hard stats, or in terms of "toughness", "hustle" or "leadership."

An Irishman and a brit were taking a test to see if they would get the job at a local company. After the test the HR manager brought both of them in and told them that both of them got the same score on the test, but that the Brit got the job. The Irishman got mad and said that he didn't get hired because he was Irish and threatened to sue the company, the HR manager replied to him by saying that they both got the same score but there was a written portion on the test. The Brit had answered with "I don't know." while the Irishman wrote "Me neither.".


You can cheat on a test and the biggest issue is finding out which tests lack adverse impact compared to just being discriminatory. I believe its called the 1/8 rule or something when looking at results a certain proportion of minorities must be able to pass the test and get a raise/promotion or else the test shows adverse impact and if it does show that then the test must either be logically defended or scrapped and a new test made.

Kilkrazy wrote:Maths ability and sporting ability can be tested objectively, so there's no need to pick according to skin colour.

Unless one group blows everyone out of the water of course. When I was a youngin, UC schools had a cap on "Asian" (this includes foreign nationals) students because they were dong so much better at math they were arrgessively over represented.

If you're talking about adverse affects, they only apply to governmental jobs. Private companies can't discriminate on race, but can use tests to weed out who they wish.

Basically, the idea is that if there is a pronounced difference between the average scores based on race, the test should be analyzed to see if there is bias, and if so, if that bias is critical to the position. Generally, jobs with lower education requirements (police, fire, postal, clerical) tend to get bounced, as they test things that aren't required. Tests for higher level stuff (bar exams, medical boards, etc) are upheld pretty frequently.

It's tough to tell, particularly for lower ranked civil servants, who generally aren't wild about the theory that any half intelligence human can do their job.

AvatarForm wrote:
One of my favourites though is #8, Obama:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/8-barack-obama/

We do? The vast majority of white people I know hate the guy, but that may be a symptom of me knowing majority military and his distaste for military is well documented.

Polonius wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Maths ability and sporting ability can be tested objectively, so there's no need to pick according to skin colour.

Not all sporting ability. There are reams written on the difference between how white and black players are percieved, particulalry in positions that don't have hard stats, or in terms of "toughness", "hustle" or "leadership."

That's where the racism operates, in the supposedly indefinable areas.

I'm not racist but I dislike Guardian readers as much as I do the people who read the Daily Mail and vote for the BNP.

Its a definite tie.

I REALLY hate Steve Bell. He draws DC with man boobs even though he isnt over weight, but SB is morbidly obese? Figure that one out.

KingCracker wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:heres a thought for everyone.

im racist against racist people

Ya... this year Japan suffered greatly and some racist ********* ********* ************ think it was fun to make joke out of their expense
http://karmajapan.tumblr.com/
http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/

Espcially the ones that says its "payback" for Pearl Harbour and WW2.

FOR GODS SAKE the people that were a part of that is probably gone now by old age.
The ones suffering had NO PART of the war.

This is why humans will always suffer, the revenge for something that should have been past history.
And people like this should be beat up

I always assumed we were even at least after we dropped a small sun on them twice *shrugs*

Most definately true.

Racism's awesome. It gives Seth MacFarlane material!

Polonius wrote:If you're talking about adverse affects, they only apply to governmental jobs. Private companies can't discriminate on race, but can use tests to weed out who they wish.

Basically, the idea is that if there is a pronounced difference between the average scores based on race, the test should be analyzed to see if there is bias, and if so, if that bias is critical to the position. Generally, jobs with lower education requirements (police, fire, postal, clerical) tend to get bounced, as they test things that aren't required. Tests for higher level stuff (bar exams, medical boards, etc) are upheld pretty frequently.

It's tough to tell, particularly for lower ranked civil servants, who generally aren't wild about the theory that any half intelligence human can do their job.

But is it the 1/8 rule though, I learned about it last year in I/O psychology and I readily forget how to do it, just moved and can't find the text book for it either... the fact that it was smaller than the 40k 5th edition rule book doesn't help either.

purplefood wrote:If there is anything that makes me want to kil another human being it's the use of the 'word' y'all...
I see a lot of it on the sites that have been posted...

The haters can feel free to provide an alternative word. Oh wait, ya'll can't find one.

mattyrm wrote: I'm not racist but I dislike Guardian readers as much as I do the people who read the Daily Mail and vote for the BNP.

Its a definite tie.

I REALLY hate Steve Bell. He draws DC with man boobs even though he isnt over weight, but SB is morbidly obese? Figure that one out.

Whats funny is, even though it was in English I have abosultely no conception of what you just said.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

purplefood wrote:If there is anything that makes me want to kil another human being it's the use of the 'word' y'all...
I see a lot of it on the sites that have been posted...

The haters can feel free to provide an alternative word. Oh wait, ya'll can't find one.

You misspelled "y'all" Cannerus.

Frazzled, what kind of education system do you have in Texas if your Texas youth can't spell "y'all"? I guess that Virginia has a better education system than Texas.

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I'm not racist but I dislike Guardian readers as much as I do the people who read the Daily Mail and vote for the BNP.

Its a definite tie.

I REALLY hate Steve Bell. He draws DC with man boobs even though he isnt over weight, but SB is morbidly obese? Figure that one out.

Whats funny is, even though it was in English I have abosultely no conception of what you just said.

Ok, well the guardian is a left leaning paper, the daily mail is a right wing paper. The BNP are the UK's openly racist party (British nationalist party) so basically I dislike the readers of both, and the members of the BNP. Steve Bell is a big fat cartoonist for the commie paper, who depicts our Prime Minister (David Cameron) as having man boobs (fat breasts) despite the fact he is physically fit and slim, and Steve Bell is a big fat obese hippy with a beard. And I hate him more than all of the above, because that seems particularly childish, ie. Just because he dislikes him he has man boobs? Even though the guy who drew it has man boobs?

I dont know why, but that particular action makes me angry. I suppose its because I dislike unoriginal unfunny people more than left leaning people.

halonachos wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

purplefood wrote:If there is anything that makes me want to kil another human being it's the use of the 'word' y'all...
I see a lot of it on the sites that have been posted...

The haters can feel free to provide an alternative word. Oh wait, ya'll can't find one.

You misspelled "y'all" Cannerus.

Frazzled, what kind of education system do you have in Texas if your Texas youth can't spell "y'all"? I guess that Virginia has a better education system than Texas.

EDIT: I see the mispelling now. Gotcha. Of course "kill" was incorrectly spelled. This must be a Yankee imposter. (You know its 2011 because the term was not "Damnyankee"). Don't make me send the Killer Bees!

Frazzled, it's spelt "y'all".

EDIT: I was about to say... I was already fixing to do something about this.

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I'm not racist but I dislike Guardian readers as much as I do the people who read the Daily Mail and vote for the BNP.

Its a definite tie.

I REALLY hate Steve Bell. He draws DC with man boobs even though he isnt over weight, but SB is morbidly obese? Figure that one out.

Whats funny is, even though it was in English I have abosultely no conception of what you just said.

Ok, well the guardian is a left leaning paper, the daily mail is a right wing paper. The BNP are the UK's openly racist party (British nationalist party) so basically I dislike the readers of both, and the members of the BNP. Steve Bell is a big fat cartoonist for the commie paper, who depicts our Prime Minister (David Cameron) as having man boobs (fat breasts) despite the fact he is physically fit and slim, and Steve Bell is a big fat obese hippy with a beard. And I hate him more than all of the above, because that seems particularly childish, ie. Just because he dislikes him he has man boobs? Even though the guy who drew it has man boobs?

I dont know why, but that particular action makes me angry. I suppose its because I dislike unoriginal unfunny people more than left leaning people.

Cool. You say BNP here and I think a French bank.

Maybe matty should learn to speak english, that may help.

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I'm not racist but I dislike Guardian readers as much as I do the people who read the Daily Mail and vote for the BNP.

Its a definite tie.

I REALLY hate Steve Bell. He draws DC with man boobs even though he isnt over weight, but SB is morbidly obese? Figure that one out.

Whats funny is, even though it was in English I have abosultely no conception of what you just said.

I was getting "Death Company" and "Storm Bolter."

Which seems odd, considering the sanguinator has some major moob action going on:


Death company, not so much.

Thats a nicely painted mini though mate.

Yes Halo, Im a northerner, so I speak terrible English. And a proper northerner me, not like them southern Jessies in Manchester and Liverpool.

The first time I went to the states I asked for a coke in the airport and it went like this..

"Curk please pet"

"...What? A cork?"

"Nur, Curk"

"A cork? What do you want a cork for?"

"NUR not a cork, a curk!"

"A cork?.. We don't sell any wine?"

"CURCA fething CURLA!"

"oooooohh you mean a coke!"

"Aye pet.. a curk, cheers"

mattyrm wrote:Thats a nicely painted mini though mate.

Hey that's mine!


Matty - when ever I hear Northerners speak, I think of Viz comic

Ah right, good job mate. I like the sword..

mattyrm wrote:Ah right, good job mate. I like the sword..

Really??! I think its bloody awful!

Anyway, this always makes me chuckle because its written phonetically - its how I imagine the North to be...

Tagged NSFW because the language is a little fruity...

filbert wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Thats a nicely painted mini though mate.

Hey that's mine!


Matty - when ever I hear Northerners speak, I think of Viz comic

It was the first image that came up on a google search for "sanguinator." You're famous (or something)!

Also matty: in Georgia (US), everything is a Coke. They use "Coke" instead of pop/soda/soft drink. If you want a Coke, you have to say "Coca Cola".

Actual exchange:
"I want a coke."
"what kind?"
"Um, a coke."
"Yeah, what kind. Sprite, diet..."

"Oh, coca cola."

biccat wrote:

filbert wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Thats a nicely painted mini though mate.

Hey that's mine!


Matty - when ever I hear Northerners speak, I think of Viz comic

It was the first image that came up on a google search for "sanguinator." You're famous (or something)!

Also matty: in Georgia (US), everything is a Coke. They use "Coke" instead of pop/soda/soft drink. If you want a Coke, you have to say "Coca Cola".

Actual exchange:
"I want a coke."
"what kind?"
"Um, a coke."
"Yeah, what kind. Sprite, diet..."

"Oh, coca cola."

Very true, when I first got to Georgia this amused the hell out of me.
I'm still adjusting to the fact that here "All" soft drinks/soda is "Cole".

What kind of coke do you want?
I'll take a Pepsi.
I'll take a Dr. Pepper
I'll take a rum and Coke.

We avoid that by addressing drinks by their proper names. Except for tea, which is always cold sweet tea.