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Yea, I always armed them with halberds, which made them more expensive then Purifiers with halberds.

Hey guys, I just wanna say thanks for this thread. I've started on my GK and this thread has really helped me figure out what direction I want to take my army

from what I have seen personally go for the...

TERMINATORS!!!!

other than space puppies they can have them for troops and with the many weapons you can give them there probbably worth it.

stormraven defo

and that is it, really add what you like to it as long as you out gun them they will be fine (you dont want DE in combat from what i have heard).

nectarprime wrote:Hey guys, I just wanna say thanks for this thread. I've started on my GK and this thread has really helped me figure out what direction I want to take my army

I'm glad.
It helped me out a lot too. Made me realize I had a lot to learn, but I at least knew the basics

Played my first game with this list. Check out my battle report here!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/388826.page

This list has helped me as well. Lots of great strategy here.

I will add one thing as this seems to be my strategy seeking thread. My stormraven has been the biggest waste of points every game I've run it. It is frustrating! I don't know if I'm running it wrong or what, but it is just sucking the big one for me when it comes to points / effectiveness. Atleast when the raider is on the table, it can take some of the shots pointed at it. The raven just blows up the first time anyone aims at it. Maybe it's bad luck, but its been my weakest link.

HOWEVER, my MVP's for the game are the Falchion purifiers. Holy man did they just mow through stuff. 4 attacks each on the charge ignoring armor! I can't wait to throw them up against some marines (maybe not ss/th termies )

The other MVP's are the dreads. For anyone looking to put models in their army, don't leave home without the dreads. Nothing downed is vehicles more reliably than 4 twin-linked s8 shots.

Stormravens and Landraiders have a huge weakness. They are fire magnets. With the amount of melta, lance and S8 weaponry around these days they seem like unwise investments.

When using GK's I go for quantity over quality...henchmen all the way.

Yea, I thought of going the henchmen way (as you can see from page 1 to 2), but it just wasn't right for me. I may end up dropping the raven. I'm actually kinda hoping that somebody will come out with some gem to make me keep it

I know some people love it, and against other marines it will probably do well ( as a land raider killer probably). Just DE's are a tough army to test against due to all the lances and bullcheese they have to blow up my vehicles.

The problem is that you are running 1 Stormraven. Either multiples or none.

That's not strictly true.I run one,it dies everytime but not before reeking havoc.If you arm it with LC and MM and Hurricaine bolters it's great.Load it up with a dread and 5 paladins or 10 Interceptors and 1 GM/BC.If running paladins.Fly 12",disembark the squad close to the enemy and offload the LC and Hurricaines into the target squad and the MM against a vehicle.Fire your missiles early on against psykers,or if he doesn't have one,just fire them against hordes or the target of the LC.

If running the Interceptors,flat out over to a vehicle while passing over an enemy squad.SS the squad and fire them at the target.Use the MM againstn the vehcle you are now beside.

In both cases uase the dread to tackle the nasties like tanks and other dreads.


Always works.

Jamora wrote:

HOWEVER, my MVP's for the game are the Falchion purifiers. Holy man did they just mow through stuff. 4 attacks each on the charge ignoring armor! I can't wait to throw them up against some marines (maybe not ss/th termies

I noticed this last night when looking through my dex, and maybe I'm wrong but Nemesis Falchions don't look to be Force weapons. Nemesis Force Sword and Nemesis Force Halberd are, but Falchions are just listed as Nemesis Falchions. Can anyone confirm?

You confirmed it yourself. They are called NEMISIS falchions, and therefor have the nemisis rules, which therefor make them force weapons.

Directly from the Wargear section (pg 54)

Force Weapons: All Nemesis weapons are Force weapons.

Yep there it is, but why would they call them Nemesis Falchions instead of Nemesis Force Falchions? GW bugs me with the way they word things.

pdawg517 wrote:The problem is that you are running 1 Stormraven. Either multiples or none.

This actually has me thinking of dropping my raider (which sucks! huge waste of money there :( ) and picking up a 2nd SR. Then maybe switching from a Grand Master to a Libby, and dropping 1 squad of purifiers for another dread. Or maybe just 5 of the 10 in the one squad.

Deadshot wrote:That's not strictly true.I run one,it dies everytime but not before reeking havoc.If you arm it with LC and MM and Hurricaine bolters it's great.Load it up with a dread and 5 paladins or 10 Interceptors and 1 GM/BC.If running paladins.Fly 12",disembark the squad close to the enemy and offload the LC and Hurricaines into the target squad and the MM against a vehicle.Fire your missiles early on against psykers,or if he doesn't have one,just fire them against hordes or the target of the LC.

If running the Interceptors,flat out over to a vehicle while passing over an enemy squad.SS the squad and fire them at the target.Use the MM againstn the vehcle you are now beside.

In both cases uase the dread to tackle the nasties like tanks and other dreads.


Always works.

This wouldn't work for me unfortunatly. I don't take a CC dread, and Interceptors are a bit of a waste of points.


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l0k1 wrote:Yep there it is, but why would they call them Nemesis Falchions instead of Nemesis Force Falchions? GW bugs me with the way they word things.

I'm not sure really. But if you look, only 2 of the 7 Force weapons actually have force in the name

Then use the paladins.Don't need a CC dread to use this either.Use the GM's Grand statergy and fly him onto the objective.Or just get him in range quicker.

pdawg517 wrote:The problem is that you are running 1 Stormraven. Either multiples or none.

Alright, you inspired me to change up my list a bit.

Sons Of Leonidas
2000

Librarian w/ might of titans, Quicksilver, Sanctuary, Shrouding and Smite - 175
Crowe - 150

5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 5x Falchions - 145

LC Stormraven w/ Melta and Side Sponsons - 235
LC Stormraven w/ Melta and Side Sponsons - 235

Dreadnought w/ 2x Autocannons + Psybolt - 135
Dreadnought w/ 2x Autocannons + Psybolt - 135

Total 1994

I'm also considering dropping one squad of purifiers in psyback for another dread, but I'm not sure. I would run my Ravens within 6" of each other to gain shrouding on both of them. Hopefully that would give me the added survivability I've desperately needed on my Ravens. This option also helps me add 1 Psyback to the list, freeing up a transport for Crowe, and adding some firepower which will help with the abundance of light transports that are always on the field. I guess my fear now is non light transports. All those str 6 shots are good vs DE with their AV 10 transports, but melta vets will wreck my face. They won't do too badly vs Rhino's and Trukks, but I don't know if that's enough.

I'm now going to register for 2 tournaments. The first may only have 10 players or so from my local area, but the other will have 70 or so, so I have to be prepared for everything. It makes me actually want to consider taking a vindicare, but I don't know what I would get rid of (or WANT to get rid of) to take it.

What goes in the 2nd stormraven?

Whoa whoa whoa, smite, are you serious?

Unless you are trying to make it easier on your opponents when you shoot them, use warp rift.

Seriously, for the same cost you get a shooting attack that is probably twice as effective. More importantly, it auto-penetrates vehicles it hits, and doesn't allow cover saves. You already plan on fighting at close range with this army from the looks of, so you will not be disappointed with warp rift I promise you.

The plan is to put crowe in the 2nd Stormraven and deliver him into combat with whatever unit gets hit by my falchions.

And yes smite. Warp rift is a template based on an initiative test. So against lets say, DE or other GK with Halberds, they take a wound on a 6 and get their save. But I smoke em with smite, they take a wound on 4 for GK, 3 for DE and no saves for either. Unless I'm missing something, that seems way better.

And the libby will be in a SR. Any unit he's going to assault with the falchions will not be in a vehicle anymore, so I don't care about the auto pen really. Yea it could be handy, but str 4 AP 2 seems better to soften up a unit before my charge.

Another big thing with Stormravens is practice. It took me a while to figure out how to use them effectively. I am not a fan of the side sponsons. The list has plenty of anti infantry. Thats a good 60 points you are saving!

If you can pull it off you may be able to get most if not all of your vehicles a 3+ save from shrouding.

WR is the bane of orks.The don't have the speed to escape,are mostly opentopped vehicles so +1 damage,ignores cover,and they are clustered so it hits a lot.Also good vs IG hordes,and nids,but nid hordes are quicker than others.

The initiative test is taken on base statline. So int 4 for GK and other marines, meaning you have a very good chance of getting rid of them.
Unless the majority of armies you face are DE, you are going to get more use out of warp rift, considering that most armies have int of 3-5.

Most of the armies I play are GK, marine variants and IG, and warp rift is far more useful against those armies than smite. If you are facing paladins or th/ss terminators, they will laugh in the face of your smite attacks, but can get wiped out completely by a good warp rift shot.

Rift has nearly the same range as smite, and works against tanks and infantry alike. Its just a far more versatile power. Using a storm raven, I have gotten rear armor shots on 2 tanks at once with my librarian, and taken both of them out.

Again the only army smite might outperform rift is DE, and thats if there are no skimmers to shoot at. An open topped skimmer that just moved flatout has almost no chance of survival against a template that ignores cover and auto pens.

Bruteboss wrote:The initiative test is taken on base statline. So int 4 for GK and other marines, meaning you have a very good chance of getting rid of them.
Unless the majority of armies you face are DE, you are going to get more use out of warp rift, considering that most armies have int of 3-5.

Most of the armies I play are GK, marine variants and IG, and warp rift is far more useful against those armies than smite. If you are facing paladins or th/ss terminators, they will laugh in the face of your smite attacks, but can get wiped out completely by a good warp rift shot.

Rift has nearly the same range as smite, and works against tanks and infantry alike. Its just a far more versatile power. Using a storm raven, I have gotten rear armor shots on 2 tanks at once with my librarian, and taken both of them out.

Again the only army smite might outperform rift is DE, and thats if there are no skimmers to shoot at. An open topped skimmer that just moved flatout has almost no chance of survival against a template that ignores cover and auto pens.

Where did you see it was on base initiative?

I guess thats a good point. The smite would ignore their armor, but not their inv, where as the rift would just kill them outright. And I just re read it, and it too ignores armor. When it comes to range though, smite wins. its effective from 1" to 12", where as rift is effective at what, 1" to 6"?

Something to consider I guess.

The flame template is about 8" so its not bad. I have used warp rift before against some DW terminators. I killed 3 and hit 9. Dead on statistics. They get no save because the test doesn't cause wounds. It just says fail an initiative check and get pulled from the table.

I like your latest list, though i would advise being very careful with the 5 man falchion unit, as it is fairly fragile once it finishes destroying that first unit it wipes out (since it probably will wipe it out with 40 attacks on the charge, lol). I could see it killing one thing, then dying to focused fire on the next turn if there are not enough other threats in the enemy's face.

The razorbacks are fine. All you have to do is glance a rhino to shut it down for a turn (anything but a wep destroyed is generally good enough) If you run into chimeras (the only real non AV11 transport worth anything) then you can try for side armor, or open them up with the psycannons / dreads, and use the heavy bolters for anti-infantry.

Having a 3rd dread would be nice, but i don't think i'd want to have any less troops than you do now. 5 units is cutting it close as it is IMO.

As for powers, QS and might of titans are going to be the main powers you use on the assault, and shrouding and sanc on the other person's turn, so i'm not sure you need smite or warp rift at all, so i don't think it's worth arguing about. Neither power is that good, since they are both fairly situational.

Anyway, good luck with the list.

It's only 20 attacks on the charge, but yea it does wipe out pretty much everything I'll just have to be very smart about where and how I charge units.

I chose the extra power for 2 reasons. 1, I had a few extra points. Not enough to buy something good, so why not. 2, there's a good chance I'll be shooting before I charge, so may as well do something good instead of using a crappy gun.

I kinda wish I could have fit in a nemesis staff for the 2++ in CC though.

Hmm, well, you could always drop back to 4 rhinos instead of the pysbacks. You would be able to fire a pyscannon out of them and that would free up 40 points. Depends how bad you're wanting that staff or more purifiers

I may actually consider that. I read a good thread on Rhino's vs Razobacks.
Going to suck modifying all my razorbacks back to Rhino's though :(