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Hehe i couldnt help myself.

This is a version of a fantastic list that a guy here on dakkadakka posted. I just remade it somewhat and upped it to 3k. Now this is it.



Urien
3 x Haemonculus: 3 x webway portals, 3 x liquifier guns

5 Grotesques: +str, liquifier, aberration (haemo)
5 Grotesques: +str, liquifier, aberration (haemo)
5 Grotesques: +str, liquifier, aberration (haemo)

15 Wyches: 3 shardnets, haywires, hekatrix with agoniser. (urien goes here)
15 Wyches: 3 hydra gauntlets, haywires, hekatrix with agoniser
10 Wracks: acothyst, 2 x liquifiers
10 Wracks: acothyst, 2 x liquifiers
10 Warriors: dark lance, blaster, sybarite with blast pistol
10 Warriors: dark lance, blaster, sybarite with blast pistol

3 Beastmasters: 5 khymereas, 4 razorwing flocks
5 Scourges: 2 blasters
5 Scourges: 2 blasters

Talos: chain-flails, add CCW, heat lance
Talos: chain-flails, heat lance
Talos: chain flails, heat lance

3k


How great wouldnt this be

Crowe 150

Librarian, Shrouding, Sanctuary, Quicksilver, Might of Titan, Dark Excommunion, Warp Rift 180

(10) Paladins, 4x MC Psycannon, Brohood banner, Apothecary, Warding stave, MC Sword, MC hammer 780

Techmarine, Rad grenades, Blind grenades 105

Techmarine, Rad grenades, Blind grenades 105

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

(10) Purifiers, 4x Psycannon 280

= 3000

28 Psycannons, 60 PA, 10 2w Terminators? Yes please.

With a nice ruin, all those guys have a 2++. btw Otherwise only a 3++ :(

6 Haemonculi? Apparently I need to look at the DE Codex.


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Err, I should say 3 and a unique!

you can have 6. 2 hq choices, 3 per choice.

talos is a MC though, so no dice there - no MC in this comp.

Ok, like BA's Sanguinary Priests(but those are elites).

Gotcha. I have to admit, I barely browsed the DE Codex and it's the one I know the least.

I have noticed alot of lists where they talk about the number of guys and weapons... and I will point out they will all run like little girls on the first morale check.

Those are not effective lists IMO.

Of course, because an army of Fearless PA marines packing Psycannons will DEFINITELY fail a morale check..

Oh wait, sorry, there's a unit of 10 two wound terminators as well who've only got ld10.. my bad.

try this IG list out for size

CCS, master of the fleet, 4 melta guns 120
CCS, 4 melta guns 90

Troop 1:
PCS, commisar, 4 melta guns, 105

Infantry squad, melta, commisar, 2 power weapons 115
Infantry squad, melta, commisar, 2 power weapon 115
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60

Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75
Heavy weapons Team, 3 mortars 60
Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75

Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50
Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50

Troop 2:
PCS, commisar, 4 melta guns, 105

Infantry squad, melta, commisar, 2 power weapons 115
Infantry squad, melta, commisar, 2 power weapon 115
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60

Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75
Heavy weapons Team, 3 Mortars 60
Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75

Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50
Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50

Troop 3:
PCS, commisar, 4 melta guns, Chenkov 155

Infantry squad, melta, commisar, 2 power weapons 115
Infantry squad, melta, commisar, power weapon 105
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60
Infantry squad, melta 60

Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75
Heavy weapons Team, 3 Mortars 60
Heavy weapons Team, 3 Autocannons 75

Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50
Special Weapons Squad, 3 sniper rifles 50

50 Conscripts, Send in the next wave 275

its 2995 pts
298 models on the table

18 autocannons
9 mortars
35 melta guns
18 sniper rifles

and a conscript wave with chenkov just for fun



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4 squads of 50 models running forward while being supported by a gun line with a 48" range

Sorry as soon as you up the points past 2k guard win most contests with stupid amounts of spamability in their heavy weapons and troops because of the nature of platoons.

I think this list would slaughter any foot guard very very badly and do well vs just about anything.

Total Roster Cost: 2998

Chaplain Cassius (135 pts)

Shadow Captain Kayvaan Shrike (195 pts)

Terminator Assault Squad x10 (400 pts) TH/SS x8, LCx2

Terminator Assault Squad x10 (400 pts) TH/SS x8, LCx2

Terminator Assault Squad x10 (400 pts) TH/SS x8, LCx2

Scout Squad x5 (100 pts) Sniper x4, ML, CC

Scout Squad x5 (100 pts) Sniper x4, ML, CC

Scout Squad x5 (100 pts) Sniper x4, ML, CC

Scout Squad x5 (85 pts) Sniper x4, ML

Scout Squad (147 pts) Telion, Sniper x3, ML, CC

Scout Squad x5 (100 pts) Sniper x4, ML, CC

Vanguard Veteran Squad x 10 (530 pts) 2x LC - 3, LC/SS x5, PF/SS x2

Assault Squad x6 (158 pts) LC x2, Flamer

Assault Squad x6 (158 pts) LC x2, Flamer

I think you are out assaulted and out shot by guard. I ran the same numbers with blood angels and the sanginor for the extra attacks with straight lightning claw termie squads, you assault the conscript bubble wrap, they are removed with the send in the next wave rule and then your termies are torrent of fire off the board. And my scouts barely pin anything when I run them.

With FoF you have one, or two if you're first and a bad run roll, turn of shooting before I'm in your face. As for assaults most of your models in a blob won't be swinging all you have to do is stagger the termies, or any squad for that matter, in a 343 formation and come in on an edge to prevent half or more of a blob, works great vs orks too, from swinging dick move but it's war.

LegendJRG

FoF you have one, or two if you're first and a bad run roll, turn of shooting before I'm in your face. As for assaults most of your models in a blob won't be swinging all you have to do is stagger the termies, or any squad for that matter, in a 343 formation and come in on an edge to prevent half or more of a blob, works great vs orks too, from swinging dick move but it's war.

I just want you to know that you have not played a good guard player then. I tell you the truth that if you did assault my blob, they would all be attacking you. You place the big bases up front tne the core of troops behind it packed tight. What you have to understand is that the big base allows you to pack a lot of the little guys around them. Thus you have a horde amount of attacks coming your way. On top of that your not even counting the pie plates from the master of ord, plus the 60 auto cannon shoots a turn. Oh did I mention the orders of the guard. I would really like to see termies walk into my lines, that would be great with first rank fire....... here is a 105 shoots, plus auto cannon rounds. Thats just from one squad......


Jabbdo

I have noticed alot of lists where they talk about the number of guys and weapons... and I will point out they will all run like little girls on the first morale check.

I put commissar in each of the blobs, reroll ld 9 on top of the ground your going to have to cover just to get to my lines...

I still say guard hands down...

Why would this "contest" be to 3000p?

And how could any army but IG win?

ph34r wrote:Why would this "contest" be to 3000p?

And how could any army but IG win?

Easily.. I dont care what IG can bring to the table, Jumppack spam BA will walk over them... EASILY

if you read the first page, you'll see where someone decides that jump infantry, whilst infantry, are not footsloggers for the purposes of this competition.

And I think flamerspam or purifiers would be better at taking out all these IG armies. A unit of 10 paladins with 4 incinerators, 5 falchions, and an apothecary would be better at taking on the guard blobs than anything BA could bring.

WAAAAGH!!!

We'z gotz ta show dem 'umiez 'ow itz done wiv a proppa 'orde!

Dis iz 'ow you'ze Gitz do Shooty!


Big Mek w/ Shokk Attakk Gunn, Ammo Runt, Cybork Body, 'eavy Armour- 113
Big Mek w/ Shokk Attakk Gunn, Ammo Runt, Cybork Body, 'eavy Armour- 113

30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas- 195

15 Tankbustas or Lootas (depending on taste)- 225
15 Tankbustas or Lootas (depending on taste)- 225
15 Tankbustas or Lootas (depending on taste)- 225

10 Flash Gitz w/ All da Gubbin'z on dere Gunz- 400
10 Flash Gitz w/ All da Gubbin'z on dere Gunz- 400
Kaptin' Badrukk an' 'iz Gitz, 9 Gitz wiff da Gubbinz an' 3 Ammo Grotz- 510


Dat'z 'ow ya do Dakka.

OneMeanDuck wrote:

ph34r wrote:Why would this "contest" be to 3000p?

And how could any army but IG win?

Easily.. I dont care what IG can bring to the table, Jumppack spam BA will walk over them... EASILY

Hahahahaha are you new to 40k?

You have heard of the term "blob" right?

You know that you can't take FNP against power weapons or missiles, right?

Why is there no tyranids? javascript:emoticon(''); except for the stealer list, but i didn't really like that one.

anyway

HQ

Tervigon regen catalyst 205

The Swarmlord with 3 tyrant guard 280 +180=460

Elites

10x Ymgarl genestealers 230

3x Hive Guard- 150

2x Venomthrope- 110

Troops

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Termagants 30-150

Termagants 30-150

Termagants 30-150

Fast Attack
9x Raveners Rending claws- 315

9x Raveners Spinefists- 315

4x Shrikes dual Bonesword and scything talons- 180


3k, with the regen on the HQ tervigon, i was just trying to fill up points, and with 6 wounds, it can be a very potent ability, with the swarmlord, i have always wanted to get him into an army that is built around him and a ton of gaunts, i sense a one turn will be in most peoples minds, anyway, hope you like, and hope the shrikes are not considered illegal, a lot of people have used jump infantry, and I didn't want to put in another 5 raveners

Big Mek w/ KFF, Burna, cybork body and BP
Big Mek w/ KFF, Burna, cybork body and BP

30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP
30 Shoota Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP
30 Choppa Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP
30 Choppa Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP
30 Choppa Boyz w/ 3 Big Shootas, Nob with PK and BP

15 Kommando's, 2 Burnas, Snikrot
15 Lootas
15 Lootas

20 Storm Boyz and Zagstruk

3 Lobba's, extra Crew, 3 ammo grunts and Grot Herder
3 Lobba's, extra Crew, 3 ammo grunts and Grot Herder
3 Lobba's, extra Crew, 3 ammo grunts and Grot Herder

If Lobbas dont count (I know the gun does have an armor value), then swap for 300ish points of DeffKoptas with TL Bigshootas and Bombs since these have a 'T' value. I figured Big Guns would be ok, I think of them like IG weapon teams. If Koptas dont count either then a small unit of Flashgitz would have to suffice. These would get "pointman" duty, screening for the boyz.

Im assuming this list will go against another horde list. Snikrot and Zagstruk units go after gun teams. The KFF's reduce incoming fire by 33%. Lootas and Lobbas target gun teams as well. Shootas and big shootas go up front and thin the herde. Choppas, PK's and Burnas are behind and clean up.

Tarval wrote:LegendJRG

FoF you have one, or two if you're first and a bad run roll, turn of shooting before I'm in your face. As for assaults most of your models in a blob won't be swinging all you have to do is stagger the termies, or any squad for that matter, in a 343 formation and come in on an edge to prevent half or more of a blob, works great vs orks too, from swinging dick move but it's war.

I just want you to know that you have not played a good guard player then. I tell you the truth that if you did assault my blob, they would all be attacking you. You place the big bases up front tne the core of troops behind it packed tight. What you have to understand is that the big base allows you to pack a lot of the little guys around them. Thus you have a horde amount of attacks coming your way. On top of that your not even counting the pie plates from the master of ord, plus the 60 auto cannon shoots a turn. Oh did I mention the orders of the guard. I would really like to see termies walk into my lines, that would be great with first rank fire....... here is a 105 shoots, plus auto cannon rounds. Thats just from one squad......


Jabbdo

I have noticed alot of lists where they talk about the number of guys and weapons... and I will point out they will all run like little girls on the first morale check.

I put commissar in each of the blobs, reroll ld 9 on top of the ground your going to have to cover just to get to my lines...

I still say guard hands down...

Even if 3 or 4 termis hit your line your 50 man blob will lose combat and with your reroll LD you still gonna fail rolling a 3 or 4. then you run away and I will follow you off the board.

also GK paladins do a better job and since its 3000 that can be my purifers and paladin army put together so paladins walk a head provide cover and even if 1 purifer hit you line thats about 20/50 dead guard before combat. If more than 5 hit your line then you will lose combat and get sweeping advanced.

ALso how do you deal with outflanking marines? 10 tac marine outflanks you and charges you? = dead.

Draigo Wing 'Demise'

HQ:
Kaldor Draigo - 275

Inquistor with powerfist - 40

Elite:
Vindicare Assassin - 145

Troops:
10 man paladin Squad with 4 psycannons, brotherhood banner, apothecary, 1x warding stave, 5x halberd, 1x Daemon Hammer, 3x mastercrafted Falchions - 780

10 man paladin Squad with 4 psycannons, brotherhood banner, apothecary, 1x warding stave, 5x halberd, 1x Daemon Hammer, 3x mastercrafted Falchions - 780

10 man paladin Squad with 4 psycannons, brotherhood banner, apothecary, 1x warding stave, 5x halberd, 1x Daemon Hammer, 3x mastercrafted Falchions - 780


fast Attack:
10 man interceptor squad with 2 incinerators - 300

Even if 3 or 4 termis hit your line your 50 man blob will lose combat and with your reroll LD you still gonna fail rolling a 3 or 4. then you run away and I will follow you off the board.

also GK paladins do a better job and since its 3000 that can be my purifers and paladin army put together so paladins walk a head provide cover and even if 1 purifer hit you line thats about 20/50 dead guard before combat. If more than 5 hit your line then you will lose combat and get sweeping advanced.

ALso how do you deal with outflanking marines? 10 tac marine outflanks you and charges you? = dead.

Commissars give the unit Stubborn... it doesn't matter if you kill 49 out of 50, they still roll LD 9. Meanwhile that 50 man blob has 6 Power swords, 12 attacks, doing a generious 6 wounds a turn (50% wounds of Str 3 vs T 4). That marine squad will not survive 2 player rounds in the blob, unless the IG player rolls less that 50% on attacks and wounds. If they do fail a morale check, Commissar executes a sergeant and they re-roll.

Your GK will be taking a hail of AC and Lascannon shots before they get in range to use flamers... sure, you roll 2+ armor save against the ACs, but you will lose a guy 1 in 6 rolls... that is the IG game, not yours. anyways, you can't shoot flamers in close combat, you have 1 shot with flamers to kill a couple of guys per flamer. They will do their damage, but IG can allocate those wounds to anyone in the unit, like not to the power weapon guys. And because they are not ICs, you can't target them in CC. You have to kill every single guy to get them.

IG deal with outflanking marines the same as they deal with everything else. You appear at the edge of the board 1-2 rounds later than you expected due to the Master of the Fleet giving your reserve rolls +1. Your then shot buy a ton of heavy weapons.

You have obviously never played against IG, or very poor IG players.

And yeah, every IG build and Chaos build that don't use Commissars or Marks of Chaos Glory (or Fearless troops) will certainly run off the board when you kill 3-4 of them, why I said those were poor lists. As for the second Nid list, are those MCs in that list? Sure looks like a mess of MCs to me, but I don't have a Nid Codex and I don't normally play against Nids.

Ok, I'll bite.

How's 170 models on the board sound, most of them 3+/6+? 2 units with FNP and 6 20 man squads. 3 Dominion squads outflank.

HQ

Cannoness - 75
Power Sword, Bolt Pistol

Command Squad x 5 - 160
FNP, Laud Hailer
Banner (reroll morale within 12)
Multi Melta x 3

Jacobs - 90

Henchmen - 150
DCA x 6, Crusader x 4

Elite

Sisters Repentia x 10 - 175

Troops

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Sister of Battle x 20 - 285
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Plasma, Power Sword

Fast Attack

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Heavy

Retributor Squad x 6 - 97

Retributor Squad x 6 - 97

Retributor Squad x 6 - 97

2996

Deffwing?

Mad Dok Grotsnik and Ghazkhull Thrakka- 385 points

Troops:
30 Grots, 3 Runtherders- 120
10 MANz, 3 Kombi-Rokkits, 3 Kombi-Skorchas, all Cybork- 480 points

Elite:
10 MANz, 3 Kombi-Rokkits, 3 Kombi-Skorchas, all Cybork- 480 points
10 MANz, 3 Kombi-Rokkits, 3 Kombi-Skorchas, all Cybork- 480 points
10 MANz, 3 Kombi-Rokkits, 3 Kombi-Skorchas, all Cybork- 480 points

Heavy Support:
5 Flash Gitz, Shootier, More Dakka, Blastas, Cybork, with Painboy ~287
5 Flash Gitz, Shootier, More Dakka, Blastas, Cybork, with Painboy ~287


Every unit (except the Grots, of course) have a 5++ save, 41 of them have a 2+ armour save, 11 of them have 4+ and Feel No Pain (plus whatever unit you put the Dok in), and all but the Gretch have more than one wound.

There are a lot of good ideas, and fun ideas here. Remember, these lists are created to go against balanced armies that will include vehicles and heavy support.

They are not necessarily pitted against each other.

sorry to say, but other than orks ans POSSIBLY nids, Ig will decimate any other army's all infantry list. simple numbers, weight of firepower, and base ability to rumble with a leafblower list make the Ig the obvious choice.

Ig FTW.

Olenos wrote:Why is there no tyranids? javascript:emoticon(''); except for the stealer list, but i didn't really like that one.

anyway

HQ

Tervigon regen catalyst 205

The Swarmlord with 3 tyrant guard 280 +180=460

Elites

10x Ymgarl genestealers 230

3x Hive Guard- 150

2x Venomthrope- 110

Troops

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Tervigon AD TS catalyst 195

Termagants 30-150

Termagants 30-150

Termagants 30-150

Fast Attack
9x Raveners Rending claws- 315

9x Raveners Spinefists- 315

4x Shrikes dual Bonesword and scything talons- 180


3k, with the regen on the HQ tervigon, i was just trying to fill up points, and with 6 wounds, it can be a very potent ability, with the swarmlord, i have always wanted to get him into an army that is built around him and a ton of gaunts, i sense a one turn will be in most peoples minds, anyway, hope you like, and hope the shrikes are not considered illegal, a lot of people have used jump infantry, and I didn't want to put in another 5 raveners

What!!! The stealer list is awesome!

The problem with nid lists in this scenario is the OP stated no mech or MC's, of which you have five. 'Tis a shame otherwise spamming Tervigons would be the way to go for sheer number of bodies. Against any well rounded army Nid's without MC's will have a tough time dealing with armour, especially any AV14.

BlkTom wrote:

Even if 3 or 4 termis hit your line your 50 man blob will lose combat and with your reroll LD you still gonna fail rolling a 3 or 4. then you run away and I will follow you off the board.

also GK paladins do a better job and since its 3000 that can be my purifers and paladin army put together so paladins walk a head provide cover and even if 1 purifer hit you line thats about 20/50 dead guard before combat. If more than 5 hit your line then you will lose combat and get sweeping advanced.

ALso how do you deal with outflanking marines? 10 tac marine outflanks you and charges you? = dead.

Commissars give the unit Stubborn... it doesn't matter if you kill 49 out of 50, they still roll LD 9. Meanwhile that 50 man blob has 6 Power swords, 12 attacks, doing a generious 6 wounds a turn (50% wounds of Str 3 vs T 4). That marine squad will not survive 2 player rounds in the blob, unless the IG player rolls less that 50% on attacks and wounds. If they do fail a morale check, Commissar executes a sergeant and they re-roll.

Your GK will be taking a hail of AC and Lascannon shots before they get in range to use flamers... sure, you roll 2+ armor save against the ACs, but you will lose a guy 1 in 6 rolls... that is the IG game, not yours. anyways, you can't shoot flamers in close combat, you have 1 shot with flamers to kill a couple of guys per flamer. They will do their damage, but IG can allocate those wounds to anyone in the unit, like not to the power weapon guys. And because they are not ICs, you can't target them in CC. You have to kill every single guy to get them.

IG deal with outflanking marines the same as they deal with everything else. You appear at the edge of the board 1-2 rounds later than you expected due to the Master of the Fleet giving your reserve rolls +1. Your then shot buy a ton of heavy weapons.

You have obviously never played against IG, or very poor IG players.

And yeah, every IG build and Chaos build that don't use Commissars or Marks of Chaos Glory (or Fearless troops) will certainly run off the board when you kill 3-4 of them, why I said those were poor lists. As for the second Nid list, are those MCs in that list? Sure looks like a mess of MCs to me, but I don't have a Nid Codex and I don't normally play against Nids.

What I am saying is I am happy for you to kill 20 of my paladins before I reach your line because 30 purifers will slaughter a 50 man blob. It will probably die to your attacks after it has done its clensing fire and I6 force weapon attacks but you only have 3 blobs and I have 6 units of about 6-7 man per squad. I need just one to kill 1/3 of your 50 man blob. Also a dreadknight can lock you in combat for the entire game because your PF is only S6 which means nothing. If the commisar is an IC I can pick him out.

If I play it right and hit your line with some of my forces your firepower will mean nothing.

Also My alternative army is orks.

180 orks (nob PK)
2x bigmek KFF
37 lootas
45 burna boys
40 stormboys

Everyone hides behind the 180 boys.

Lootas take care of your autocannon people. burna will burn the hell of everyone 15 flame template? even 50 man blob can't survive. 40 stormboys will jump out behind the 180 boys and hit you line and try to kill as much as possiable. I do not believe you have enough shooting to kill that many orks with cover saves. 20 sotrm boys 80 attacks on that charge will kill atleast half of your 50 man blob and then you got the remainnging surviving boys and burnas to deal with.

On average thats 60 S7 ap4 (autocannon shots) 5+ cover.

Kreedos wrote:

Fast Attack

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Dominion Squad x 5 - 110
Melta Gun x 2, Combi Melta

Don't Dominions have to be in a dedicated transport? I know they did before...