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Mr Mystery wrote:I think we're rapidly approaching new thread territory here gents. Anyone care to do the honours? I cannot be arsed, on account of any thread I start seems to attract nowt but cat calls.

Pretty much because you are a one man GW fan club while most of the rest of us are getting the shaft, and then have the nads to call people out when they don't share your enthusiasm at being bent over the cannon.

Honestly I wonder why you even have the stance that everythings ok?

Kirby is taking in overtime profits on the stocks, the product is shrinking in cost to make, yet increasing in cost to sell. The material of said miniatures is subpar at best, and an absolute GAKfest at worst. The stores themselves are money leeches to the product- leading to the increased facist style of management that doesn't lend to feelings of "Supporting the Hobby" and more in lines of "GIVE me the money, get out of the store!"
The game itself is in a rut, with the increase in the so called "Price of doing business" they have pretty much made it clear that they do not want to keep players- only sell them a good startup, then take a crap on them, neglecting the fanbase.

As to players? I can only speak for the six or so stores I've seen in the last six months or so.

Bottom line up front- people are leaving.
I don't know if they arn't all leaving for good, but they are not playing as much as they once did- and new games are taking up more peoples time then to try and play second guess and keepup with the ever increasing price of plastisn/restic stuff that is second rate on a good day.

Not to mention the RPG's, FF's board games, and games such as dystopian wars, malfaux, card games, and the like.

for some reason- Card games are not dead yet.

When I asked about 40K, people are getting to the same point- They are not comfortable enough with what is going on to pay for the prices of stuff that may or may not be out again next six months or so.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's better than 'Warmafail'.

Most things are.

Hey, you know what game I don't really like? Warmachine. What about Hordes? Not a fan of that either. And Malifaux? I really dislike that game.

But you know what I don't do? Belittle the game and those who like it you troll.

Wow. I think high blood pressure and most gamers are the reason that GW profit lines are shrinking. When some of your fan base is a hundread pounds over weight, aggravation like that can be fatal.

Seriously though. I just stopped buying GW. It dosnt mean that i have to hate the game. I just vote with my wallet. Currently i voted for Spartan Games Uncharted seas.

Uncharted Seas? More like.... uh...

FAILcharted Seas.

Wait. That doesn't work very well... Uh...

UnFAILED Seas...

Dammit!

Oh, oh, I got it now! Unfarted Seas. Ha! In your face, sennacherib!

I dunno. Failcost, Finecrap, Fineca$t, et al are just as annoying as Warmafail and the like. Both sides are doing more than enough trolling.

-Loki- wrote:I dunno. Failcost, Finecrap, Fineca$t, et al are just as annoying as Warmafail and the like. Both sides are doing more than enough trolling.

You're missing the point Loki. One is mocking a product line for its shabby release, bad QA and needless price increase. The other is flaming a game and all who plays it simply because he doesn't like it.

Considerable difference.

Actually...

RatBot wrote:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/Igorcht/Stop-liking-what-I-dont-like.jpg

Got it in one.

Absolutely agree with HBMC.
It is also bad punning unlike the Failcast etc.

Unshatted Cheese is what you were looking for Ratbot?
Yeah take that Senna, with your naval high jinx and maritime fun!

Sometimes I think we on Dakka have a too insular view of things,people are often accused of whining and are literally branded the angry minority simply when they air their views. Games Workshop have done all these crazy things in order to keep their profits up and shareholders happy. The reason? People have stopped buying! There is life outside Dakka! The whiners(myself included) are not confined to this forum, I'd say we are a good reflection of what is being said/repeated worldwide and by people who are not on these forums. A forum focusses opinions that are being said away from the web so we are really not the angry minority that some members like to protray: WE ARE LEGION! So there.

Worglock wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's better than 'Warmafail'.

Most things are.

I love unclever, miscarried puns.

I love them even more when they can be shown to be quantitatively untrue.

Warmachine rules set is superior. YMDC? There is a special PP term for YMDC: the rulebook.

Warmachine continues to not only gain on the 40k player base, but to actually gain 40k converts in the mass GW exodus.

There's an involved, interactive PP-playerbase interface. It's located at a place called the internet.

The only edge I see that 40k has over WM/H is Black Library. In every other way I have found a superior gaming and hobby experience with PP.

Enjoy 40k if you want. I think that's great. It's still a very good mythos, even if I feel I can better enjoy it through computer games and the fiction as opposed to the relatively shoddy tabletop iteration.

But to stick your head in a bucket and rail at the glorious world outside of your tiny troll cave that you neither see, nor understand through your blinkered, small existence... well, that's just silly.

Clever puns usually actually tie the quality of the product into the name. Failcost is a double pun, because 1) initial QA was worse than the metals, yet 2) they cost more! So worse product for more money = failcost. Like all just jokes it becomes tired over time (especially since the QA has improved and I actually really like working with it), but it's at least marginally clever.

Warmafail is just dumb, because about the worst thing you can say for it is "it's not my taste, and not really that much cheaper than GW."

It's like "CrApple." I've met people that claim iPods suck, but for the most part they make top notch consumer electronics.

-Loki- wrote:I dunno. Failcost, Finecrap, Fineca$t, et al are just as annoying as Warmafail and the like. Both sides are doing more than enough trolling.

Shhh. Its ok when they do it because evil Games Workshop.


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Slipstream wrote:Sometimes I think we on Dakka have a too insular view of things,people are often accused of whining and are literally branded the angry minority simply when they air their views. Games Workshop have done all these crazy things in order to keep their profits up and shareholders happy. The reason? People have stopped buying! There is life outside Dakka! The whiners(myself included) are not confined to this forum, I'd say we are a good reflection of what is being said/repeated worldwide and by people who are not on these forums. A forum focusses opinions that are being said away from the web so we are really not the angry minority that some members like to protray: WE ARE LEGION! So there.

A legion that continues to hand their wallet to Tom Kirby and then scream bloody murder on the internet.

No
It works like this:
eg Fine cast
Fail cast
just change a couple of letters and you aptly describe the initial batch. As Polonius said it has strectched beyond a joke now and should be dropped.

Warmahordes to Warmfail makes no sense to anyone but yourself. If you had said Warmaboreds it would have worked better.

It is not very clever to disparage a game just because you are not interested in it. Because of the silly season that GW went through I no longer have an active interest in GW. But I would not be dismissive of it because I don't care to play the game or buy their products.
It is still possible to try an take a more neutral and objective view of the game, whilst merrily making the mock of the management (and alliterate too).

No, Chibi, there's no room for reason here.

I demand you stop liking things I hate immediately, or I'll hold my breath and start thrashing on the floor until I pass out! I mean it!

sourclams wrote:

But to stick your head in a bucket and rail at the glorious world outside of your tiny troll cave that you neither see, nor understand through your blinkered, small existence... well, that's just silly.

It is also par for the course really...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

In an effort to combat this, I supply this list of synonyms for Worglock to use:

bellyache, carp, drone, fuss, gripe, grouse, grumble, howl, kick, mewl, moan, murmur, pule, repine, snivel, sob, wail, whimper, yowl

Perhaps a bit of variation will brighten everyone's day?

You forgot whinge mate.

sourclams wrote:

Worglock wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's better than 'Warmafail'.

Most things are.

I love unclever, miscarried puns.

Me too, its why I come on dakka, no shortage of unclever miscarried puns here!

Why can't those who like Warmachine and whatnot keep their discussions to those forums and people who like GW products keep their discussions likewise?

Why waste your time complaining about things you don't like? It isn't productive in any way. Just let it be.

It isn't even a matter of different systems.
look at the number of threads that start, "Why all the hate for..." or "Why no love for..."
Very often it is SW's (please no discussion here just using them as an example! )

I can only assume it is a certain lack of maturity that causes an intolerance of something that they feel threatened by that leads to the berating of other factions or games systems. /popsychol

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Absolutely agree with HBMC.
It is also bad punning unlike the Failcast etc.

Unshatted Cheese is what you were looking for Ratbot?
Yeah take that Senna, with your naval high jinx and maritime fun!

It is not very clever to disparage a game just because you are not interested in it.
and since you brought it up... I dont particularly like SW either. yet another example of GW madness.

DarknessEternal wrote:Why can't those who like Warmachine and whatnot keep their discussions to those forums and people who like GW products keep their discussions likewise?

Why waste your time complaining about things you don't like? It isn't productive in any way. Just let it be.

Although I think in part the reason discussion (GW hate, or whatever you want to call it) is so vehement is because a lot of wargamers have had a heavy investment in GW over the years, to the point where I think it is emotional in nature.

It's precisely because people care that they bemoan the company being run into the ground through a perceived dropping of standards and sequentially awful business decisions. I think that's why the like of H.B.M.C. (hope you don't mind me using your name! ) are fighting tooth and nail in the forums at the moment. The hobby that they care about is being set on a nose dive course by money-men who care little about it beyond the next dividend payment, and have no interest in providing the best service to fans who have committed a lot of time and money to them.

Yes there is still the core of creative types who love what they are doing, and will do their best (see the Dark Eldar for an example of what they can do when they are given room to manoeuvre), but the top of the business structure is rotten, and has slowly been going that way ever since Kirby decided they weren't making enough money and decided to make public shares available.

I was merely being Sea Devil's advocate and trying to help out Ratbot Senna!

Disclaimer:
Statements expressed on Dakka are not necessarily those of the author.

ps I love SW's Yet anothe example of GW madness.

You don't see me poking my head into the Warmahordes* sub-forums and going "OHLOL! Your game sucks 'cause I don't like it as much as 40K! ROFL!", and that's because not liking something and something being bad are often two very different things.




*That's just a quicker way of writing the name of the two games. /tg/ uses it to keep discussions about the game in one thread, and it saves time. It is not meant to disparage it.

Mr Mystery wrote:The sort of person who leaps from logic to illogic in the blink of an eye, bellowing FANBOI! at all those who disagree.

As opposed to the type who profess ignorance of why people are upset with their chosen spacemans game while having actively participated in the threads in question, 6 weeks ago?

sourclams wrote:I love unclever, miscarried puns.

I love them even more when they can be shown to be quantitatively untrue.

Warmachine rules set is superior. YMDC? There is a special PP term for YMDC: the rulebook.

Warmachine continues to not only gain on the 40k player base, but to actually gain 40k converts in the mass GW exodus.

There's an involved, interactive PP-playerbase interface. It's located at a place called the internet.

The only edge I see that 40k has over WM/H is Black Library. In every other way I have found a superior gaming and hobby experience with PP.

Enjoy 40k if you want. I think that's great. It's still a very good mythos, even if I feel I can better enjoy it through computer games and the fiction as opposed to the relatively shoddy tabletop iteration.

But to stick your head in a bucket and rail at the glorious world outside of your tiny troll cave that you neither see, nor understand through your blinkered, small existence... well, that's just silly.

I appreciate Warmachine, and I almost like it, but I can't get over how much of a step back it is from GW. The prices aren't better, the range of models is less diverse, the background is less in depth, the customization just isn't there, and the models are a tad overly "heroic scale" moreso even than GW in appearance. I wish I did like Warmachine though, because it seems like a fair amount of people play it.

Dude, as already established, I didn't know what the 'Week Of Terror' actually referred to. Now, I do.

Where is the big problem with this?

Worglock wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

I'd be running a business not a hobby club.

A bit ironic considering what it is GW is selling.

So. What -exactly- is GW selling? Aside from carte blanche for the the internet derpasaurus brigade to have a daily whinestorming session.

Difficulty level: Show your work.

lol

DarknessEternal wrote:Why can't those who like Warmachine and whatnot keep their discussions to those forums and people who like GW products keep their discussions likewise?

I don't see in any WM talk in the 40K forums - do the WM forums have a problem with 40K talk? All of the WM vs 40K vs WHFB threads seem to be in Dakka Discussion which is fine.

DarknessEternal wrote:Why waste your time complaining about things you don't like? It isn't productive in any way. Just let it be.

Oh, the irony.... Seriously though, I don't get all the GW complainers, all the very vocal "I'm quitting now", etc.

On topic:

January's financial report should cover the period in question

Regarding all of the off-topic tit for tat whinging:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0CYJNw9YJQ

Scott, some of us think GW behave badly towards customers. as extensively detailed above and elsewhere.
Some of us say screw you too GW we are of to sunnier pastures.

It isn't hard