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I don't see new tank bodies happening. I think the Wraithlords, Walkers, Vypers and Falcon bodies will all stay the same. There is nothing dated or wrong with them and the DE venom looks very similar to the vyper as it.

What I do expect is that the Eldar will get access to the venom and we will get 'blown away' with new HQ/Elite sculpts and with whatever new flyers/tank turrets get produced.

I'd like to see all the aspects redone. Some are dated from back near 2nd and 3rd edition. And most all of them pretty much suck. Especially compared with some of the more recent stuff.

Here is Stickmonkey's Track Record on Warseer:

November 2009: Xenos scenery never released.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231091

May 2010: Apparently he has the new Eldar Avatar on hand. Alongside from the Jetbike and Spiders, the Avatar is at the top of many Eldar Players' wishlists for a resculpts. Model was never released.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259168

August 2010: Predicted Necrons never came to pass. Predicted Black Templars never came to pass. Predicted Tau at end of this year.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273562

August 2010: Rumors on the GK codex. Correctly predicted Dreadknight and all squads having psychic powers. Incorrect about Psycannon, Incinerator, "Annointed Armor", and Demonic Instability.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269877

September 2010: Mentions Tau and Necrons. Not released yet. Mentions box of 15 marines and a Librarian/Chaplain combo box. Never released.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276599

November 2010: Summer of Fliers. Never happened.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282301

December 2010: Retracts Grey Knights rumors that ended up being false. Says Necron Codex for mod-2011 and Tyranids 2nd wave for August. Didn't happen. Mentions Summer of Fliers again with a Thunderbolt.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286432

January 2011: Describes new SoB model and others to come. Not released yet.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288577

January 2011: Admits to single-handedly starting Summer of Flier rumor. Ended up being not true.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290871

March 2011: Tyranid Second Wave. Didn't happen yet.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295376

September 2011: IG rumors. Didn't happen yet.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317786

Essentially, he misses more than he hits on rumors, and many things he rumors hasn't even been released yet. Surely many of those rumored items may be yet to come, but considering his track record on verifiable rumors, it's mostly misses. I'm not trying to call StickMonkey a liar or defame him in the slightest. It's simply that it's difficult to get excited over this set of wishlisting Eldar rumors considering StickMonkey's past. Taking these rumors with a pinch of salt would be an insult to salt itself.

Absolutionis wrote:Here is Stickmonkey's Track Record on Warseer:
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Essentially, he misses more than he hits on rumors, and many things he rumors hasn't even been released yet. Surely many of those rumored items may be yet to come, but considering his track record on verifiable rumors, it's mostly misses. I'm not trying to call StickMonkey a liar or defame him in the slightest. It's simply that it's difficult to get excited over this set of wishlisting Eldar rumors considering StickMonkey's past. Taking these rumors with a pinch of salt would be an insult to salt itself.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. Besides with GW being so tight lipped about everything, I think he's single handedly kept Warseer's and Dakka's rumors sections a live... without him it'd just be news on releases of other manufacturers, which we can get from Tabletop Gaming News.

aka_mythos wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Here is Stickmonkey's Track Record on Warseer:
...
Essentially, he misses more than he hits on rumors, and many things he rumors hasn't even been released yet. Surely many of those rumored items may be yet to come, but considering his track record on verifiable rumors, it's mostly misses. I'm not trying to call StickMonkey a liar or defame him in the slightest. It's simply that it's difficult to get excited over this set of wishlisting Eldar rumors considering StickMonkey's past. Taking these rumors with a pinch of salt would be an insult to salt itself.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. Besides with GW being so tight lipped about everything, I think he's single handedly kept Warseer's and Dakka's rumors sections a live... without him it'd just be news on releases of other manufacturers, which we can get from Tabletop Gaming News.

QFT

Stickmonkey isn't responsible for GW's release schedule. It could very well be that GW tucked away all those ideas in a drawer just waiting for the right moment.

IIRC, then Harry (WS other big rumour monger) already knew about a large number of releases more than three years ago. All of which are just starting to see the light of day.

P.S. ... and I still would not rule out a "Summer of Flyers".

Oh certainly. Much of the listed may still happen, that's certainly true. Either way, for the last two years, many of StickMonkey's rumors have yet to happen. It's hard to be hopeful considering that.

However, several of the rumors that already happened ended up being false. In StickMonkey's defense, it could be that GW changed their plans, withheld the Eldar Jetbike for 5 years, decided to release the summer of fliers with the respective codecies, and delayed the Tyranids 2nd wave for 2 years. Even if this is the case, this list of half-obvious half-wishlisting Eldar rumors are really meaningless.

Either way, agreed that it makes for nice conversation if anything.


Harry is a different story. Harry is a Farseer and everything he says is fact.

Absolutionis wrote:Oh certainly. Much of the listed may still happen, that's certainly true. Either way, for the last two years, many of StickMonkey's rumors have yet to happen. It's hard to be hopeful considering that.

However, several of the rumors that already happened ended up being false. In StickMonkey's defense, it could be that GW changed their plans, withheld the Eldar Jetbike for 5 years, decided to release the summer of fliers with the respective codecies, and delayed the Tyranids 2nd wave for 2 years. Even if this is the case, this list of half-obvious half-wishlisting Eldar rumors are really meaningless.

Either way, agreed that it makes for nice conversation if anything.

Just to add to that. I think its important to remember the history and context of GW rumor mongering... in the old days we'd hear rumors of things long before they'd ever happen to the point people would get annoyed and badger GW about when "X" was being released... this was because GW kept its scheduling flexible and certain items were getting bumped quite a bit. This lead to GW clamping down on information flow from the design studio and the whole 6 month than 3 month rumor window... when this was instituted we had the best rumors that most often were correct, because information was coming out as GW's upper echelons were setting release schedules and the design staff felt it was okay to talk about anything in detail when it hit that window. Now we have no window... we find out when it happens. Thus we only have 2 types of rumors that make it out... the fake ones... and the ones that come from people from within GW who just don't care about "windows" or releases. The first type are right by dumn luck or reasonable deduction. The second type are much like the rumors we got way back in the day, non-chronological without release date or window... just whatever happens to be worked on... without any reasonable connection to a release. Back in the day, it occured often enough GW would just change its mind about a concept and how it was rumor didn't match up with how it was released, much as it now.

We know for a fact GW did work on other terrain pieces that it just chose never to release. We know for a fact GW has spent resources developing aircraft models for a number of factions. Its pretty well established that GW had worked on a new Eldar avatar... and has wanted to replace the older model. These are the half truths that seem to parallel what Stickmonkey has said in the past. Maybe its all guess work or he's making it up... but he's had a degree of precision in repeatedly reporting things that parallel GW's efforts, even if he hasn't had the accuracy in being exactly right with how it pans out.

Absolutionis wrote:Harry is a different story. Harry is a Farseer and everything he says is fact.

Sadly our magic eight ball hasn't said anything in some time.

aka_mythos wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Harry is a different story. Harry is a Farseer and everything he says is fact.

Sadly our magic eight ball hasn't said anything in some time.

Hey, he just confirmed Blood Bowl for next year, together with Hastings.

There was also that long, long list of Tyranid rules he was entirely wrong on. The guy reminds me of incarceratedbob on Twitter who endlessly spouts NFL gossip so he can claim to have broke the story if it actually happens. I'm sure Indianapolis Colts fans are still waiting for Brett Favre to show up and play as much as posters here still pine for the Summer of Fliers.

lord_blackfang wrote:Hey, he just confirmed Blood Bowl for next year, together with Hastings.

Ooooo... that's cool. The number one GW game I want to see remade, but never played.


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bhsman wrote:There was also that long, long list of Tyranid rules he was entirely wrong on.

GW goes through enough revisions, just look at the difference between WD Blood Angel codex and the book that was eventually released... what he heared could have been the first draft of which little survived.

Aside from new finecast models, these all sound like terrible ideas.

DarknessEternal wrote:Aside from new finecast models, these all sound like terrible ideas.

Then I guess that settles it... this must all be true then... this is all exactly how GW's gonna do it.

blood angel wrote:I don't see new tank bodies happening. I think the Wraithlords, Walkers, Vypers and Falcon bodies will all stay the same. There is nothing dated or wrong with them and the DE venom looks very similar to the vyper as it.

What I do expect is that the Eldar will get access to the venom and we will get 'blown away' with new HQ/Elite sculpts and with whatever new flyers/tank turrets get produced.

I don't see the tank bodies ever getting much more than a facelift, or a new sprue design. Either of which would be purely cosmetic to us.

The Vyper though, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you PROBABLY dont own one, but that's just a guess. The lower body portion has six engine intakes, and pretty thin brittle fins. The Vyper intakes are like the jetbikes, plain open holes. The Venom has Falconesque intakes and only two, rather large. The upper fuselage is much more substantial that the Vyper hood. The turret for the Fireprism looks more like the Venom or maybe how the Vyper should than the current Vyper. Just my 2 cents.

Can someone post a pic of this jetbike that's been mentioned?

aka_mythos wrote:GW goes through enough revisions, just look at the difference between WD Blood Angel codex and the book that was eventually released... what he heared could have been the first draft of which little survived.

So basically Stickmonkey is only good at giving out rumors that end up being worthless. Awesome.

Great to see the eldar might be getting some love. They have long been one of my most favorite armies.

nectarprime wrote:Can someone post a pic of this jetbike that's been mentioned?

For this, I present page 2: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/399680.page

Comment by Daemon in orange:

Guardians being redone. Will include new weapons platform and storm guardian bits.
No new Guardian weapon platforms.

Avatar getting new fine cast version with weapon options (spear/sword) not as big as FW model, but larger than current.
Nope

Lots of new mech options. Jump pack/jet options for walkers similar to new FW models, but unclear if this is new model or upgrade to current model. Upgrade packs don't seem likely, and current model is decent, so I have my doubts about this rumor completely.
Sorry but you ought slap your source abit

New tank options...built on wave serpent/falcon chassis still. Hydra like flak
New jet bikes and vypers.New warlock sculpts.New aspect sculpts,
Well yes

aspects still likely fine cast.
No, Majority is redone in plastic. WraithGuards gets a new weapon

From obvious dept comes the nightwing and some form of bomber. Neither look at all like de ships, or existing FW. Definitely eldar.
The obvious thing to do,

Drop pod of some sort that can carry 20 troops, 10 wraith guard, or 1 wraith lord. Deploys as firebase that has higher cover rating for guardians. Sounds like a bastion that drops into play with a weapons platform attached. Not sure I buy into this rumor completely, it seems too complex the way it's been described. And I never saw any evidence of this in design before.
No Eldar drop pods.

Kroot, who is Daemon? Doesn't sound familiar.

Someone who registered on Warseer in September, but he offers a bet on being right

Kroothawk wrote:Someone who registered on Warseer in September, but he offers a bet on being right

Huh....could be interesting if this user is true. I mean multiple plastic aspects? That seems a bit far off

Well, I'm glad to hear about the plastics. That's one hurdle cleared. The next is, "Will the plastics not look like crap?"

I mean, if Jes does them, hooray, we can count on at least moderately above-average figures and will likely get something stunning. If they pass them off to some lesser studio hand to cut their teeth on, we may well end up with plastics like the High Elf spearmen- that we're then stuck with for another 2 decades because why would GW invest their money in one plastic kit when a plastic kit already exists?

+1 for plastic wraithguard. I like my conversions from necron warriors, but I'd be willing to shell out for the real deal if I didn't have to pay $15 a pop and there were more than 2-3 poses.

I really feel that any speculation is wishlisting at this point, although I'm very tentatively excited about the possibility of a forthcoming Eldar Codex. I read somewhere that 6e's starter could be Eldar vs. CSM, something I highly doubt given the lack of vanilla marines in that line-up.

Kroothawk wrote:Someone who registered on Warseer in September, but he offers a bet on being right

Well I'm liking what he's confirming and what's just left hanging (like storm/defender guardians in one box). I just wished I had money to bet against him, the way I see it, either I'm right and I win or he's right... which I still see as a win.

The tanks will probably just start coming with an "eldar tank fan bitz" sprue or something to bring them in line with the current fire prism look, plus GW get to sell it at stupid money seperately to people wanting to update the look of their tanks.
Lets face it the eldar tanks have a VERY iconic look now they won't mess with it, same as the chimera and LRBT, I was surprised they bothered changing the rhino, but it DID look small and dated.

In my opinion I'm far less worried about models and new units than I am the rules and points adjustments for whatever they decide to go with.

Wriathguard need a 5+ invul and a points reduction if stuck with 12" range.

Wraithlords need a 5+ invul.

Guardians need BS 4.

Avenger Catapults need a longer range.

Banshees should become a core choice.

Eldar need at least 1 tank with the assault vehicle designation.

Grav Tanks all need BS 4.

Vypers, Swooping Hawks, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard, Phoenix Lords, and Autarchs all need rules/options/wargear/price adjustments.

I'm so jealous of the D Eldar codex. They can take so many options and everything but the Mandrakes are solid choices.

I just want to be on par with our dark cousins.

Ahh a wish list with ridiculous hopes and dreams, reminds me of a young senator from Illinois.

Thunderfrog wrote:In my opinion I'm far less worried about models and new units than I am the rules and points adjustments for whatever they decide to go with.

Wriathguard need a 5+ invul and a points reduction if stuck with 12" range.

Wraithlords need a 5+ invul.
On top of being T7 how bout no Scott. They need an AV...again or to remain as is
Guardians need BS 4.
only if they are Uthwe
Avenger Catapults need a longer range.
longer than what? Regular catapults? Done
Banshees should become a core choice.
So that you can bring 6 of what is ultimately the best Eldar assault unit and not have to make a choice between that or the eldar tank busters? That sounds like a unit that belongs in elites to me.
Eldar need at least 1 tank with the assault vehicle designation.
Need is such a funny word, it's not enough that all Eldar tanks are fast skimmers with some of the best weapons options in the game (vice 4e pricing), now they 'need' an assault rule.
Grav Tanks all need BS 4.
Yes they need BS4 the way IG tanks need BS4

Vypers, Swooping Hawks, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard, Phoenix Lords, and Autarchs all need rules/options/wargear/price adjustments.
this is often called "a new codex"
I'm so jealous of the D Eldar codex. They can take so many options and everything but the Mandrakes are solid choices.

I just want to be on par with our dark cousins.
now you know what DE players have felt like for years.

AustonT wrote:Ahh a wish list with ridiculous hopes and dreams, reminds me of a young senator from Illinois.

Thunderfrog wrote:In my opinion I'm far less worried about models and new units than I am the rules and points adjustments for whatever they decide to go with.

Wriathguard need a 5+ invul and a points reduction if stuck with 12" range.

Wraithlords need a 5+ invul.
On top of being T7 how bout no Scott. They need an AV...again or to remain as is
Guardians need BS 4.
only if they are Uthwe
Avenger Catapults need a longer range.
longer than what? Regular catapults? Done
Banshees should become a core choice.
So that you can bring 6 of what is ultimately the best Eldar assault unit and not have to make a choice between that or the eldar tank busters? That sounds like a unit that belongs in elites to me.

As an eldar player I agree with it all, though longer ranges across the shuriken weapon board I think is needed or else your basic guardian is always assaulted next turn :(. 2nd ed ranges would be perfect
Eldar need at least 1 tank with the assault vehicle designation.
Need is such a funny word, it's not enough that all Eldar tanks are fast skimmers with some of the best weapons options in the game (vice 4e pricing), now they 'need' an assault rule.
Grav Tanks all need BS 4.
Yes they need BS4 the way IG tanks need BS4

Vypers, Swooping Hawks, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard, Phoenix Lords, and Autarchs all need rules/options/wargear/price adjustments.
this is often called "a new codex"
I'm so jealous of the D Eldar codex. They can take so many options and everything but the Mandrakes are solid choices.

I just want to be on par with our dark cousins.
now you know what DE players have felt like for years.

EDIT: And just realised the text I typed didn't get typed...

Pretty much as an eldar player I agree, a lot of that just plain isn't needed, banshees as troops? Then every aspect should be troops, which is really just Biel-tan territory .
That said increased range on shuriken catapults and cannons would be nice, mainly so defender guardians aren't suddenly in assault range of the unit they're firing at...

Awesome!! It's a long way off, but I'm excited nonetheless.

New units sound cool, but my biggest hope is that GW tweak a few things that, in my opinion, need tweaking.

kenshin620 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Someone who registered on Warseer in September, but he offers a bet on being right

Huh....could be interesting if this user is true. I mean multiple plastic aspects? That seems a bit far off

I'm betting one of the plastic Aspect kit is dual purpose.

Like Dark Reaper / Warp Spider kit ( or something )