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I think only Blood of Kittens has Stickmonkey beat in terms of false rumors

How in the world does one honestly believe this given Blood of Kittens track record on the Sisters WDex, Grey Knights, and, to a lesser extent, Dark Eldar?

Just for completeness, here the greens of two Eldar miniatures shown on GD UK, a Warlock and a Storm Guardian, maybe just test sculpts, but anyway:





and, slightly off topic, the next Eldar Forge World releases, taken from the GD UK thread:

The only aspect warriors in need of new sculpts are hawks and spiders IMO, maybe DA's--not really bad sculpts, just boring. Scorpions and banshees especially look really nice. Don't need new models for the most part, just a new codex.

The codex getting an early 6th ed overhaul would certainly have me repainting the eldar collection I have faster. From those rumours I can believe certain rescuplts (during the DE jetbikes highlighting they said they did both races at once) but am really hoping the aspects remain the same for wallet reasons aside from the obvious shining spears and warp spiders which will both need a make over.
A combined defender/storm kit would be great and with the trend going in the direction of most if not all a units options are available in their kit likely.
The new toys my army will be getting I shall take with a pinch of salt for now, especially this silly drop fortress, unless I see a £65 price tag on it like the fortress of redemption than I'll believe it exists
What I worry about most isn't new toys, new resculpts, cries of "but eldar are overpowered now" but the rules they will be rewriting. Let's face it the latest codices have not been inspiring in the faith department. Stupid fluff and overpowered rules to overtake the last codex and be obselete with the following codex of space marines isn't how I wish to see the future of 40k go once more.
Also the eldar I feel more than any other codex has major balancing issues to be worked out. Most fast attack options are not worth taking in this edition, even in friendly game (mourns the 9 vypers sitting in his flat), and our points need an overhauls on many units. Best example would be the humble guardian. At 1 point more a DE warrior is far superior for example . I would especially despise pheonix lords suddenly able to change FOC choices like marine special characters as well.
The return of the seer council option to replace the farseer and models from it able to be split off into units would be a lovely option however.

That Phantom 'Close Combat Weapon' is a site to behold!

Almost makes me want to buy an Eldar Titan - almost!

Ahhh Shadow Spectres.

However, it looks like the Imperium isn't winning.

Again...

Kanluwen wrote:Ahhh Shadow Spectres.

However, it looks like the Imperium isn't winning.

Again...

Not too sure on that one, going by the name then them suggesting that Mymeara is a Craftworld.

We'll see when it comes out, of course.

Guh, that storm guardian... Why does GW think shaved heads with giant (I'm talking almost architectural in their height) topknots looks good on Cweldar?

Like Absolutionis says, DE get plastic scourges. Why can't CE get more plastic aspects? After all, they already have one aspect in plastic and it didn't destroy GW.

I like the idea of exploring more grav platform options like the shimmer-shield device. It gives a chance to explore Eldar culture in little ways. You know what I'd like to see? An Eldar cargo pod mounted on an anti-grav platform. Then I'd like to see some kind of construction/wraithbone shaping engine mounted on a grav platform. Forgeworld can do it.

The drop pod is ridiculous, it runs contrary to everything Eldar are supposed to be about. Eldar don't need drop pods because they have aerial superiority and webway portals all over the place. It's like giving a space marine tactical squad an option to "upgrade" to lasguns.

Eldar are really about the last property GW has that could tempt me back into buying, and I do have an Eldar project in mind for some time when I have more free time and money. So an Eldar rerelease with better kits is welcome. But as long as GW is relying on finecast for key Eldar components, I remain skeptical and I will likely not buy anything.

But as Kan recommends, I will keep my expectations abysmally low and look forward to GW exceeding them by demonstrating basic competency.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Ahhh Shadow Spectres.

However, it looks like the Imperium isn't winning.

Again...

Not too sure on that one, going by the name then them suggesting that Mymeara is a Craftworld.

We'll see when it comes out, of course.

BTW here is the early jetbike prototype shown 2007, very similar to the DE jetbike released last year:

Really the only thing holding me back from getting into eldar are the older/mono-pose models.

I'm looking forward to a 6th edition release.

Old news is New news!

Although I really do hope that turns out to be what the new Eldar jetbikes look like.

Odds are... good!

Kroothawk wrote:You are aware that Warp Spiders and Wraith Guard are still Rogue trader/2nd edition, right? As are the standard jetbike, all phoenix lords and a few warlocks.

Of course I am. I was around when all of them were first released. Redoing the Warp Spiders is fine, and putting out a box of Wraithguard in plastic just makes sense. But the report didn't stipulate which Aspect Warriors, just 'Aspect Warriors'. Nothing needs to be done to the Dragons, Scorps, Banshees and Dark Reapers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:You are aware that Warp Spiders and Wraith Guard are still Rogue trader/2nd edition, right? As are the standard jetbike, all phoenix lords and a few warlocks.

Of course I am. I was around when all of them were first released. Redoing the Warp Spiders is fine, and putting out a box of Wraithguard in plastic just makes sense. But the report didn't stipulate which Aspect Warriors, just 'Aspect Warriors'. Nothing needs to be done to the Dragons, Scorps, Banshees and Dark Reapers.

I don't know... I think the Dragons and Reapers could each use a new set of sculpts IMO.

I mean after looking at all the new DE stuff, alot of the eldar units looks washed up and old (aside from the ones that arn't already old).

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing needs to be done to the Dragons, Scorps, Banshees and Dark Reapers.

And if the rules remain in their terrible state, the Hawks too.

Kroothawk wrote:

Words fail me.

Nightwatch wrote:And if the rules remain in their terrible state, the Hawks too.

They could/should do the Hawks in plastic. That would be a nice change (the current models are a little... well... fragile and unbalanced).

JOHIRA wrote:
The drop pod is ridiculous, it runs contrary to everything Eldar are supposed to be about. Eldar don't need drop pods because they have aerial superiority and webway portals all over the place. It's like giving a space marine tactical squad an option to "upgrade" to lasguns.

You do understand this is just something to fulfill the same role as a drop pod, right? It's probably a webway gate that teleports itself in and then squads can come on from reserve through it.

AAA it the end of world (Crying ) no dont mess with my eldar!!

Ok for real this sounds good but lets see what happens before this goes crazy please.

Even if Swooping Hawks were considered unfeasible due to bad rules/being costed wrong, I'd still love to see them get new models along the lines of the Dark Eldar Scourges.

I would like to see experimental rules for the Shadow spectre Phoenix lord. Not because Im interrested in a shadow spectre lord, just that it might hint at what is to come.
You think there is any chance this IA rules would give us a hint at what to expect of phoenix lords in a new codex?

bhsman wrote:Even if Swooping Hawks were considered unfeasible due to bad rules/being costed wrong, I'd still love to see them get new models along the lines of the Dark Eldar Scourges.

'Considered unfeasible'? That's putting it lightly. A friend recently used some against me. Managed to kill 4 Gargoyles with the grenade pack and lasblastered down a few Termagants, scattered close to those units, then died in combat against them down to the exarch. It jumped away and never returned.

Fayric wrote:I would like to see experimental rules for the Shadow spectre Phoenix lord. Not because Im interrested in a shadow spectre lord, just that it might hint at what is to come.
You think there is any chance this IA rules would give us a hint at what to expect of phoenix lords in a new codex?

Not trying to be overly negative here, but not a chance. Forgeworld has always followed behind the core GW rules/codices rather than acting as a progressive or even slightly radical rules developer, except in rare cases where no GW book already exists (and presumably there is no plan for GW to cover it themselves) and they have a more open approach (which is often where they fall over balance wise). FW always base rules on the existing codex for the army (if one exists), the new non Super Heavy Eldar stuff is all based on the current codex and is pretty sub par from a competitive standpoint as a result (the Shadow Spectres are pretty terrible really so I have no reason to expect the Phoenix Lord to be any different). Guard were based on the old book for quite a while and took ages to be updated, the list goes on. There are a multitude of reasons for this, chief among them being that GW has all the good codex writers tied up already. FW is also primarily a model making group, and are clearly classified as a sub-company of GW, so can't really go above or around the primary rules without causing a whole heap of further issues. Also factoring in that the Dark Eldar book is very recent and the 'Phoenix Lord' in that had exactly the same base stats as all the other ones from the old Eldar codex, and that despite these rumours the Eldar codex is still a LONG way off I would be incredibly surprised if FW change things.

Every aspect warrior can stay finecase except dire avengers and fire dragons. I could see a multi part plastic kit that would work as both fire dragons and dire avengers. The main diferences between the sculpts is the shoulders and weapons. 1 torso/legs will probably work for both.

schadenfreude wrote:Every aspect warrior can stay finecase except dire avengers and fire dragons. I could see a multi part plastic kit that would work as both fire dragons and dire avengers. The main diferences between the sculpts is the shoulders and weapons. 1 torso/legs will probably work for both.

I was thinking this same thing, but the Dire Avengers sprue is only a couple years old. I could see (with a bit of refinement) a few of the Aspect Warriors coming together into one box with lots of variation in armor and armaments. However, I think it's more likely that the plastic Aspects just refers to outdated models.

-Loki- wrote:'Considered unfeasible'? That's putting it lightly. A friend recently used some against me. Managed to kill 4 Gargoyles with the grenade pack and lasblastered down a few Termagants, scattered close to those units, then died in combat against them down to the exarch. It jumped away and never returned.

I'm referring to a potential new Eldar codex, not the current one.

Hmm all kinds of new eldar stuff. I’m glad to hear they’re working on it. Here’s what I think.

GamesDay Photos. New plastic guardian – isn’t that shuriken pistol just a tad too big to be wielded single handed? Damn GW open your eyes and engage proportions. New Warlock green – I really love how the draping of the robes on the sword arm defies gravity and falls at an angle instead of straight down. Damn GW can you quit reusing sculpts? (it may not be a reuse, but let’s face it…they reuse stuff all the time, lazy bastards). Gotta say I love that they’re making more seers KEEP IT UP! ForgeWorld Photos -
Titan CCW, Spectre Phoenix Lord – I love you guys! I love you so much. I’m soo excited to see the new IA books. And I especially like that they’re introducing a new phoenix lord. I thought that the first six would be the only ones I’d ever see I think FW should be tasked with remaking all of the PLs and introducing WarpSpider and ShiningSpear lords as well.

Thoughts on Plastics
Give them to us. Work your 3Up magic, make your molds and give us more plastics. Some kits have been around so long or are so prohibitively expensive that they’re just dieing for it (looking at you Wraithguard, WarpSpiders). I pretty much agree with folks like H.B.M.C. about the 2007 line of aspects pretty much nailing the sculpts (3rd ed Banshees were too tall, 3rd ed Reapers were too small, 3rd ed Scorpions were just bad). But all of the current Aspect lines suffer from this – not enough poses/scults and Exarch options in the codex are not represented (well about half of the time they are, but Triskele, Spinneret Rifle, SunRifle I am looking at you). I don’t like running two squads of 8-10 guys and only having four different sculpts. I think GW did a great job on the DA kit back in 2007 and I think they could do just as good of a job on the other aspects –especially after what they’ve shown us they could do in the DE line.

New Plastic tanks, jetbikes, andVypers bring them on. I’ve been waiting for that Jess Goodwin jetbike concept to come out forever. If they brought over the Warp Hunter and made some SuperHeavy totally in plastic I’d be loving life even more. New plastic flyers meh, but whatever

Other rumors
New Avatar – Bring it! The GW is sooo ugly and not everyone wants the FW option for one reason or another.

New mech options – I’m cool with that if GW can back it up on the sprue. I personally don’t see them changing up sprues that are only five years old, but maybe they can add sprues to the kit boxes. Honestly don’t really see this happening.

Bringing stuff in from DOW2 – Good idea. I think the Relic people talk to the GW fluffers for direction. Implementing previously unseen tech like the static shimmershield into the new codex seems natural. If they can get the rules down.

Drop pod – Not liking this. Not enough info to be sure, but at present I don’t like it. How about an assault vehicle instead? Or would that make them too powerful? Muahahah!

In the end, do these rumors give us anything unique that isn;t wishlisting? No.

Every one of these is either something obvious (resculpts of 15+yr old models), Forge World Wishlisting, Dawn of War Wishlisting, and a mention of that jetbike from 4 years ago.

I think these bits pop up on 40kOnline's Eldar section on a weekly basis under the heading "what would you like to see...?"

Absolutionis wrote:In the end, do these rumors give us anything unique that isn;t wishlisting? No.

Every one of these is either something obvious (resculpts of 15+yr old models), Forge World Wishlisting, Dawn of War Wishlisting, and a mention of that jetbike from 4 years ago.

I think these bits pop up on 40kOnline's Eldar section on a weekly basis under the heading "what would you like to see...?"

Hmm reality check. I agree with you. But that's pretty much what every rumor thread is. 1 part potentiality. 1 part "I believe, I don't believe, this is great, this sucks." 1 part wishlisting. At least this time around we've got some great clear pics from GD to look at and inspire us. I like hearing other peoples views on stuff like this and this thread hasn't debased itself into a total flame war.

The Jetbike from four years ago seems pretty realistic given we've seen the DE reacted with at least 70% of that model incorporated. A new Vyper also seems obvious looking at the DE line again.
The fact that FD, HB, SS, DA, and Reapers all got new sculpts last codex leads me to believe they will remain unchanged. WS and SH are more likely to receive new sculpts or kits. Given just how much you can pack onto sprues with GWs new(ER) injection molding machinery I could almost see a couple aspects combining with posable bodies and arms and aspect arms and heads, kinda sorta like burnas and lootas.

Rumors being rumors I'll wait until something comes out closer to the release and hope GWs secrecy policy goes away and they preview stuff for us to get excited about.
I'd really like a new Eldar dex to let you field actual craftworlds not just SCs in an anything goes list. A Saim Hann SC on a jetbike or chariot would be awesome, black guardians, Aliatoc pathfinder armies. Put the flavor back in candy coated Eldar. So there's my wishlist which I hope follows a logical discussion of what models are likely to come out with a new Eldar dex.