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These appeared on BOLS this morning.

Eldar mid to late 2012. Possibly 1st or 2nd official 6 ed codex

Guardians being redone. Will include new weapons platform and storm guardian bits.

Avatar getting new fine cast version with weapon options (spear/sword) not as big as FW model, but larger than current.

Lots of new mech options. Jump pack/jet options for walkers similar to new FW models, but unclear if this is new model or upgrade to current model. Upgrade packs don't seem likely, and current model is decent, so I have my doubts about this rumor completely.

New tank options...built on wave serpent/falcon chassis still. Hydra like flak turret, Bonuses against flyers and skimmers. Dcannon tank. And some pulse cannon monster tank...scorpion?

New jet bikes and vypers.

New warlock sculpts.

New aspect sculpts, aspects still likely fine cast.

Some sort of shimmershield device. Portable cover save for a unit, but static once deployed...model in design for it. Sounds fishy to me? But the de have the portal...who knows, I say unlikely.

From obvious dept comes the nightwing and some form of bomber. Neither look at all like de ships, or existing FW. Definitely eldar.

Drop pod of some sort that can carry 20 troops, 10 wraith guard, or 1 wraith lord. Deploys as firebase that has higher cover rating for guardians. Sounds like a bastion that drops into play with a weapons platform attached. Not sure I buy into this rumor completely, it seems too complex the way it's been described. And I never saw any evidence of this in design before.

Cheers. Still super long off, though. Have your salt handy.

From Stickmonkey

Discuss.

Interesting... Let the rumor mills start spinning.

The shimmershield comes straight out of dawn of war 2, eldar guardians have it as an ability. Whether that solidifies it as a rumour or fact, no one can say. I think it's an odd idea as it encourages eldar to play statically, which they don't. On the other hand it represents their use of advanced technology rather than primitive armour. If it was standard rather than an upgrade, and could be used by a lot of models in the units then it could be really cooll

Gardeners aren't exactly all out combat units at the moment tho are they?
They are only really good at dying and sitting on an objective, this shimmershield would make them die less, whilst sat on an objective or at least making it harder to claim KPs. I would expect it to be a unit-wide bonus as giving one model a cover save is hardly good.

Still a long way out yet, but I can buy them being one of the first codices for 6th (lets face it Marines will be first lol). Late 2012 more likely than mid, since mid will likely be the release of 6th and maybe the first codex release.

Guardians being redone is a given tbh, that kit is really showings its age. Guardians are also trash in game atm, so I expect them to get a major overhaul rules wise, which in turn would likely require some changes to the kits anyway (new options etc). Jetbike prototypes were sighted ages ago, and we know that they split off development of the Reaver jetbikes from a more general design so Jetbikes are pretty likely.

More mech options makes sense, War Walkers, Vypers and Wraithlords all need some more options for mobility and/or firepower. Quite a few of these things already exist as FW models though, the Wasp Walker (jump pack War Walkers), D Cannon vehicle (Warp Hunter) and the Firestorm Falcon (anti air, with multiple long barrelled Scatter Lasers) being the obvious ones, so there could well be some crossover/wishlisting there.

We seem to get new Aspect Sculpts every generation, but not much changes. Scorpions still have Chainswords and shooty helmets, Banshees still have Power Swords and loudspeaker helmets etc. Finecast will suck but I know they don't get the volume with Aspect Warriors to justify plastic. I'm more interested to see if we will get any new Aspects in general, or if any existing ones get a major work over which would actually require them getting completely new models (fringe Aspects like Shining Spears or Spiders being the main candidates).

The Shimmershield type upgrade is something I have suggested several times in Proposed Rule threads for the next Eldar codex. Its an upgrade Guardians can get in Dawn of War (the PC game that is), which basically looks like an Energy Field projector on a weapons platform so not really that out there. How they implement it is another thing.

The Pod thing is by far the most unlikely, its the only thing I'm completely calling BS on (the rest have varying amounts of sald required). Eldar don't use Drop Pod type equipment at all, almost everything is done with the Webway. Mostly they operate where there are Portals already, and just use them to bring everything to the battle. If not they get Rangers on the ground covertly, and they create short Webway links (even if its just into orbit) which everything comes through.

I like how Stickmonkey is skeptical about his own rumours.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:Gardeners aren't exactly all out combat units at the moment tho are they?

I have to agree with you, Gardeners are pretty horrible at combat, they're only armed with a pair of gardening shears, a hoe, a rake and a shovel. Unfortunately they can't use all of these at once or claim +1 attack from having 2 weapons in CC. They do have the +1 to cover save when in shrubs, and they can cut said shrub into a fantastic looking horse on a +4.

Bah, another eldar release with yet another resculpt of the aspect warriors *without* making the damn things in plastic.

I really want to see eldar be given the same treatment as dark eldar, a lot of the model range is still stuck in 2nd edition and it really really needs the kind of overhaul that orks received in 5th edition, not "here's 3 new plastics, now go away and wait for another 6 years".

scarletsquig wrote:Bah, another eldar release with yet another resculpt of the aspect warriors *without* making the damn things in plastic.

Exactly what I was going to say. I'd rather have seen the Aspect Warriors in plastic than the Guardians, let alone another remake. The Eldar's entire civilisation is defined by specialisation (it's what keeps them from being Slaanesh's latest chew toy), not the poorly equipped mooks Guardians have been since 3rd edition. Three dual-purpose kits for the Aspects (Light & Agile, Medium and Heavy) and a plastic Seer Council would do a lot to push the army in the right direction.

I like the rumours i'm hearing , it'd be nice if the unit in the book give some scope for an exodite army.

I really like the fact that the OP didn't attach stickmonkey's name to the copied post, but put it in his own comments. Kind of gives him the validation he deserves. I know he was correct on some of his previous posts, but most of it never came to be and he lost all reliability in his rumors, at least from me.

AlexHolker wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Bah, another eldar release with yet another resculpt of the aspect warriors *without* making the damn things in plastic.

Exactly what I was going to say. I'd rather have seen the Aspect Warriors in plastic than the Guardians, let alone another remake. The Eldar's entire civilisation is defined by specialisation (it's what keeps them from being Slaanesh's latest chew toy), not the poorly equipped mooks Guardians have been since 3rd edition. Three dual-purpose kits for the Aspects (Light & Agile, Medium and Heavy) and a plastic Seer Council would do a lot to push the army in the right direction.

Sorry but that's basically never going to happen for a multitude of reasons. For starters the Aspects are far too diverse to do in a combined plastic kit, every Aspect is unique in its armour style, weapon loadout and fighting style (its what makes Eldar Eldar as you mention) which all have to be translated into the models. Scorpions look nothing like Banshees despite both being infantry assault units, Avengers look nothing like Dragons despite both having a 4+ save and being ranged units, Spiders are completely unique compared to the other Aspects, Shining Spears are on Jetbikes so clearly won't work in a combined kit etc etc. Its not like with Marines where you have a common skeleton/armour, and can just change a few things around to get a different squad, there is no way you could make a common kit which covers multiple Aspects without destroying the style and uniqueness of one or all of the Aspects in said kit. Secondly there is a question of economy of scale. Simply put Aspect Warriors do not sell that well, because a) they aren't Marines b) you don't take huge numbers of them in an army anyway as they are expensive/elite and c) did I mention they aren't Marines? Avengers are the only troop aspect (and will likely stay that way for the most part, aside from the odd 'make a single unit scoring' type thing, because 6 units of scoring Dragons WILL break the game) and as such the only one which is financial viable for GW to do in plastic. In short the only way plastic Aspect Warriors could work is in mono Aspect kits, but they are highly complex and inflexible (as in 1 kit makes 1 unit which won't be able to swap components with other kits) and more importantly don't sell enough to be viable.

Plastic characters is more likely but still not a great chance. It depends largely on how many options they give Farseers, Warlocks and any other HQ choices they include. At the moment it make no sense to have plastic characters because they have 1 possible weapons loadout which covers everything.

Powerguy wrote:For starters the Aspects are far too diverse to do in a combined plastic kit, every Aspect is unique in its armour style, weapon loadout and fighting style (its what makes Eldar Eldar as you mention) which all have to be translated into the models.

If you're going to take the time to write such a lengthy reply, at least read what I wrote. I never suggested a single combined plastic kit for all Aspect Warriors.

AlexHolker wrote:

Powerguy wrote:For starters the Aspects are far too diverse to do in a combined plastic kit, every Aspect is unique in its armour style, weapon loadout and fighting style (its what makes Eldar Eldar as you mention) which all have to be translated into the models.

If you're going to take the time to write such a lengthy reply, at least read what I wrote. I never suggested a single combined plastic kit for all Aspect Warriors.

Combined is an inclusive term in this context, I'm talking in plurals. You suggested 3 kits which COMBINES multiple Aspects into a single kit. Combining 5 things into 1 thing or 6 things into 3 things is you are still combining it either way. Even with multiple combined kits Aspect Warriors are far too diverse, you suggested a light, medium and heavy, but that's not even close to being enough to distinguish the different Aspects.

This far out, the rumor isn't that there will be new plastics, or new rules, or new game modes.

Its that the codex might be getting a revamp. The end.

Stickmonkey's post was of course taken from Warseer, BoLS just reposted it.
Here some more:

stickmonkey wrote:

Any possibility of plastic wraithguard or will that be a 2nd wave release?

Seems likely, but I didn't hear anything specific this time.

To add some credibility, philbrad2 has seen a new Warlock and Strm Guardian on GD UK today, but no pics yet.

Droma wrote:I heard through the grape vine maybe two months ago about Eldar vs CSM in the 6e box. Any word on that stickmonkey? It would seem to fit if Eldar are the 1st or 2nd 6e codex release. New rumor source so not sure how much I trust him.

I'm inclined to say that they will get a fairly drastic overhaul, as a lot of those models are getting on a bit.

All I can say is I am looking forward to this release. I think the idea of plastic wraith guard would be incredible which means it wont happen heh. GW will make them Failcast then ask $25 each for them to make sure nobody buys them. IS it just me or does this rumor look like someone looked at forgeworld releases and made a wishlist codex?

I had heard this was going to be a codex similar to the old craftworld codex but this was a while ago so here is hoping. Hopefully the Aspect lords will actually be able to take their own aspects as troops heeh.

Funny how someone mentioned the viability of plastic aspects and certain aspects (fire dragons cough) are much more used than guardians.

Anyways be intriguing to see eldar updated although I call shenanigans on the 6th edition! Everyone knows the first book of a new edition is Space Marines!

My thoughts on some of these rumors

-More Vehicles? Cool if not expensive
-Is everyone getting "fast skimmer" fliers now?
-Well at least theres going to be model updates, the wallet will hurt though with all the finecasts I bet
-They better get point costs right. I swear a good chunk of the current codex istn all that useful compared to the other choices in the slots. Yes perhaps it has to do with the local meta but I would really like to see Shinning Spears usable!

I don't want to sound like an jerk here, but ummm Stick Monkeys rumours, well they've been wrong. Consistently wrong. Every time.

Its gotten to the point where I'm questioning why he still bothers.

With that in mind, I hope Eldar players aren't getting too excited

Interesting rumours...
I hope this will be true, especially for new warlocks and planes.
And I hope they'll release Gyrinx like they did with Jokaero for GK.

Asuron wrote:

With that in mind, I hope Eldar players aren't getting too excited

How can you get excited about eldar? A bunch of Japanese Space Elves that are always flaunting their ability to "see the future" and yet are ultimately DOOMED! (sounds like gw's marketing plan)

Oh you meant the models/rules

Well, we can always have hope right?

Drop pod of some sort that can carry 20 troops, 10 wraith guard, or 1 wraith lord. Deploys as firebase that has higher cover rating for guardians. Sounds like a bastion that drops into play with a weapons platform attached. Not sure I buy into this rumor completely, it seems too complex the way it's been described. And I never saw any evidence of this in design before.

Feth I hope this is wrong.

SIGH

I really hate how GW keeps retconning their fluff.

I mean from Rogue Trader up through 5th edition it's been clear that the Eldar are a race in decline, on the edge of extinction.

They should be cutting the number of eldar units, not expanding them! Surely it would be more fluffy if the next codex eliminated Scorpions and Dark Reapers, or at least Shinning Spears and Swooping Hawks.

Instead they're adding more units.

We should boycott the Eldar until GW finally starts living up to its fluff!

Small, Far Away wrote:These appeared on BOLS this morning.
...From Stickmonkey

Just to give credit where its do the tacobell of lost souls got this from Warseer from about 4 days ago.

lord_blackfang wrote:I like how Stickmonkey is skeptical about his own rumours.

Knowing how he writes, he's not skeptical, he just believes others will be skeptical.

AlexHolker wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Bah, another eldar release with yet another resculpt of the aspect warriors *without* making the damn things in plastic.

Exactly what I was going to say. I'd rather have seen the Aspect Warriors in plastic than the Guardians, let alone another remake. The Eldar's entire civilisation is defined by specialisation (it's what keeps them from being Slaanesh's latest chew toy), not the poorly equipped mooks Guardians have been since 3rd edition. Three dual-purpose kits for the Aspects (Light & Agile, Medium and Heavy) and a plastic Seer Council would do a lot to push the army in the right direction.

GW's said as much before that its a matter of economics that makes it hard to justify plastic kits for aspect warriors. I think you guys are right, that there are specific aspect warriors that could be done, but not necessarily all of them. At the same time I don't think you can combine aspect warriors to make joint kits without drastically sacrificing their defining appearance... at which point GW might as well make them add-on bits for Guardians.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:SIGH

I really hate how GW keeps retconning their fluff.

I mean from Rogue Trader up through 5th edition it's been clear that the Eldar are a race in decline, on the edge of extinction.

They should be cutting the number of eldar units, not expanding them!...

I think we should at least hold out to see the explanation of why or how they're adding new units. As far as we know the Eldar have borrowed some DE birthing technology. Or a new craftworld came out of nowhere (I mean the webways or warp)... since those are a dime a dozen these days.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:They should be cutting the number of eldar units, not expanding them! Surely it would be more fluffy if the next codex eliminated Scorpions and Dark Reapers, or at least Shinning Spears and Swooping Hawks.

You imply that all aspects keep the same numbers of warriors, which is an arbitrary assumption. Eldar are advanced enough to further diversify and develop their technology.

aka_mythos wrote:

Small, Far Away wrote:These appeared on BOLS this morning.
...From Stickmonkey

Just to give credit where its do the tacobell of lost souls got this from Warseer from about 4 days ago.

... only if your days are 2 hours each
It was posted around midnight on Warseer.

Wait, wait, wait. Re-sculpting the Aspect Warriors again.

So we have the RT/2d Ed ones, then they get redesigned by someone in 3rd Ed, then Jes gets the controls back and redoes them all so they stop sucking in 4th Ed... and now they're going to re-do them again for 5th? 4 different Aspect sculpts in as many editions?

Nope. Don't buy it.

Kroothawk wrote:... only if your days are 2 hours each
It was posted around midnight on Warseer.

I'm not going to argue a time stamp... but I hadn't been online since before it says he posted... so I somehow read it before... I'm confused.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait, wait, wait. Re-sculpting the Aspect Warriors again.

So we have the RT/2d Ed ones, then they get redesigned by someone in 3rd Ed, then Jes gets the controls back and redoes them all so they stop sucking in 4th Ed... and now they're going to re-do them again for 5th? 4 different Aspect sculpts in as many editions?

Nope. Don't buy it.

You are aware that Warp Spiders and Wraith Guard are still Rogue trader/2nd edition, right? As are the standard jetbike, all phoenix lords and a few warlocks.

Resculpting Aspect Warriors isn't a bad thing. I'm annoyed that the Scorpions and Dragons have has way too many resculpts, but maybe Spiders will finally get a resculpt.

As for making them plastic kits, I don't think anyone is really suggesting combining multiple aspects into one box. Dark Eldar have separate plastic kits for Scourges and Wyches. It wouldn't be too odd to have Plastic Eldar kits for some of the older Aspects.

As an aside, don't BOLS and especially Stickmonkey have horrible reputations for making up rumors eventually shown to be false? I think only Blood of Kittens has Stickmonkey beat in terms of false rumors, and BOLS's only reputable rumors are the ones they find on other forums. This "rumor" would be a waste of salt.

It's all a bunch of wishlisting that Eldar players have been doing all along with some obvious things:
-The Avatar is really old. Eldar players have been wishlisting for a new model.
-The Guardians are a somewhat older plastic set and Storm Guardians are an expensive metal-platic hybrid set available from GW Direct only. Again Eldar players have been wishlisting for a new set.
-Since the teaser from 2007-ish, every Eldar player ever has been waiting for new Jetbike models.
-Taking metal aspects and making them finecast is obvious.
-Every player wants Forge World models in their codex. The "rumor" just names the Firestorm, Scorpion, and Wasp... all from Forge World. Nothing new is even hinted at.
-Another popular thing for wishlisting is taking Dawn of War concepts and translating them onto tabletop wishlists. Here we see DoWII's Eldar Guardian shields in a rumor.
-The drop pod idea is new, but it seems questionable for Eldar. I'd imagine Eldar use more of a Webway Gate or Storm Serpent... nothing dispoable. Even Stickmonkey seems to doubt this rumor in two sentences. One one unique non-wishlist concept is doubted by the rumorer himself... wut?

This "rumor" has no substance.