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Are people really complaining about 40k not getting enough love? Shall I point you to ForgeWorld, or the Black Library?

40k has enough going on, fantasy could use the attention.

I think this is all great news as it shows GW is investing in warhammer and we can expect to see great things. Unless theyre setting me up for a fall in 9th edition where it becomes similar to the 40k system for the kids they got into it...

And I think this thread should be pinned just for Kan and HMBC's opposite to the norm stances. we shall never see the like in our lifetime again

Yeh I'm inclined to agree that fantasy could do with all the help it can get, 40k far outweighs it older sibling but then again thats GW's fault, its so much easier to get together and play a game of 40k and then theres the amount of models needed.....

Also I don't think it helps that some people are not overly fond of the latest edition rules for fantasy, my biggest hate is the charging process, it just doesnt make any sense........

Anyway getting back on subject, fantasy deserves the plastic mini's and they are indeed awesome. I 2nd a multi part vampire

Guess it was too hidden when I posted this news two days earlier in another thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/400043.page

Guess it was. however it is nice to see WFB getting some attention, imho 40k is the not be all and end all of gw tho at times it does feel like it.
pete

I love this 'either/or' concept, that they can only do either 40K or WFB. Why couldn't they be doing both?

I absolutely LOVE this plastic kits. 18 more is awesome. And 40k equivalents would be the bestest news ever. But I'm ok by the moment with the Fantasy ones, they are great.

After the Nurgle fat guy and the Tzeentch freak I guess that we will have Khorne and Slaanesh heroes, too.

BTW, LMAO with the HMBC & Kanluwen situation

IMHO: Plastic > metal > resin > finecast

To be fair, If you look back at old WDs GW has been harping on about bringing out character kits in plastic for years and years.

It started with the plastic SM captain, then got put on the back burner for a long time, and it seems now that finally GW have put their molds where their mouth is and are getting stuff done about something they have promised for a very long time.

Personally, I welcome these kits and I'm looking forward to what they come up with, especially if skaven get a decent WE kit (yes the old metal ones are great, but IMHO they look a bit crap when you put them next to the new stuff, the styles are so different)

Leigen_Zero wrote:To be fair, If you look back at old WDs GW has been harping on about bringing out character kits in plastic for years and years.

It started with the plastic SM captain, then got put on the back burner for a long time, and it seems now that finally GW have put their molds where their mouth is and are getting stuff done about something they have promised for a very long time.

It's more about doing it in a cost effective manner. What they can do with this method is make one mold for 4 mini frames containing a character for a separate army each. Look at the first release - the sprue was a VC Necromancer, two Chaos sorcerers and a Dark Elf sorcerer. The next was a pair, a Chaos Lord and a Lizardman hero - which makes me think they've held two back from that mold.

They could do a similarly diverse 40k offering. Plastic Chaplain, plastic Librarian, plastic Tyranid Prime, plastic Ork Warboss. Biggest army gets two characters, two other armies get a single plastic hero release.

This is more cost effective than putting together a multi-sprue single character, as it hits more than one army and more than one customer base.

The problem with doing this for 40k is that people who play 40k want dynamic, poseable models where these are amazingly static.

I think 40k would do better making more kits like the SM Captain kit than making what is basically AoBR type models.

Fantasy and 40K have to have different styles of troops because in Fantasy the units have to rank up. In 40K they all skirmish so they can have a more dynamic pose. If they were all dynamic, then you'd have a unit that have some models backwards, forwards, and to the side because they were too dynamic. What makes a Fantasy unit impressive is their cohesiveness, command, and characters in the unit.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love this 'either/or' concept, that they can only do either 40K or WFB. Why couldn't they be doing both?

The same reason you didn't wake up to a GW Newsletter this morning trumpeting, "Eighteen new Fantasy Characters released en masse!! The Necrons are all out too, btw my friendz!!"

They can only develop a certain amount of new things at a time. They can only release a certain amount of new things at a time. Oversaturating their product lines will lead to reduced sales as people have to pick and choose what they want to purchase. If their strategy is "a year of fantasy" then it makes sense to release, you know, a glut of fantasy stuff. During the inevitable post-6th edition "year of 40K" they will release, you guessed it, a majority of 40K stuff.

Altruizine wrote:They can only develop a certain amount of new things at a time. They can only release a certain amount of new things at a time. Oversaturating their product lines will lead to reduced sales as people have to pick and choose what they want to purchase. If their strategy is "a year of fantasy" then it makes sense to release, you know, a glut of fantasy stuff. During the inevitable post-6th edition "year of 40K" they will release, you guessed it, a majority of 40K stuff.

Yeah, updating multiple armies and systems at the same time reduces sales. That's why Privateer Press is doing poorly.



Oh, wait...

From Warseer:

ihavetoomuchminis wrote:I've been told that for the first time in years, there are news in december. And not the classical "blue model cases" and "megapaint box". I'm talking about models...... i even heard something about a book.....

Could it be related to those 18 models done, or some of them?

Brother SRM wrote:

Fayric wrote:This thread made me realise Archons court was made in finecast. What was GW thinking? It would have been perfect start for 40k plastic blisters.

No they wouldn't, since plastic needs to sell very well to make its money back. Archon's court isn't exactly a unit to die for in the DE codex, and not every DE player would buy them. Now a plastic chaplain, librarian, CSM sorcerer, Broodlord, or any number of other models could be successful since a lot of folks would buy them.

Sorry I didnt think about the economic side, just expressed my surprise that the were not plastic models.
So, GW expect a huge return from the cairn wraith and toomb banshee? Guess they expect people to really build those expencive wraith units with them.

Or it also has to do with the fact that the month they released the Wraith and Banshee, they also released official rules in White Dwarf for the return of the two as characters.

Haven't bought any of the plastic chars so far, but I salute this development!

-Loki- wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:I love the concept of the plastic heroes, but going back to single pose figures for more money than in metal seems counter productive. (and yes, I know that Finecast does the same).

Going back to single pose figures? Characters have always been single pose metals, now single pose finecast.

Some of the plastic Fantasy heroes are really nice. Look at the Necromancer. with his thin cloak sweeping forward, it couldn't have been done in metal (hello razor sharl cloak and complete inability to pin) or finecast (hello snapping cloak). Look at the Tzeench Sorcerer. There's plenty of potential in these plastic heroes.

They're also cheaper than finecast single models.

No, the Empire Hero kit, the Wizard kit, the various 40k kits all are of single characters (or two), but are completely multi-pose. Going back to single pose from that is in my mind a regression. Sure, plastic is better, and multi-part is better than single casts, but it still is not as good as a true multi-pose kit.

lasgunpacker wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:I love the concept of the plastic heroes, but going back to single pose figures for more money than in metal seems counter productive. (and yes, I know that Finecast does the same).

Going back to single pose figures? Characters have always been single pose metals, now single pose finecast.

Some of the plastic Fantasy heroes are really nice. Look at the Necromancer. with his thin cloak sweeping forward, it couldn't have been done in metal (hello razor sharl cloak and complete inability to pin) or finecast (hello snapping cloak). Look at the Tzeench Sorcerer. There's plenty of potential in these plastic heroes.

They're also cheaper than finecast single models.

No, the Empire Hero kit, the Wizard kit, the various 40k kits all are of single characters (or two), but are completely multi-pose. Going back to single pose from that is in my mind a regression. Sure, plastic is better, and multi-part is better than single casts, but it still is not as good as a true multi-pose kit.

I was talking about the metal mono pose models, which this is more comparable to. They're not kits. They're basically a way to get out minor heroes cost effectively in plastic, since plastic is cheaper in the long run. These aren't models that would sell enough to make putting them in a multi-pose, multi-sprue kit cost effective. See them as a replacement for these minor heroes being done in finecast, not a replacement for kits expected to sell huge quantities of.

-Loki- wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:I love the concept of the plastic heroes, but going back to single pose figures for more money than in metal seems counter productive. (and yes, I know that Finecast does the same).

Going back to single pose figures? Characters have always been single pose metals, now single pose finecast.

Some of the plastic Fantasy heroes are really nice. Look at the Necromancer. with his thin cloak sweeping forward, it couldn't have been done in metal (hello razor sharl cloak and complete inability to pin) or finecast (hello snapping cloak). Look at the Tzeench Sorcerer. There's plenty of potential in these plastic heroes.

They're also cheaper than finecast single models.

No, the Empire Hero kit, the Wizard kit, the various 40k kits all are of single characters (or two), but are completely multi-pose. Going back to single pose from that is in my mind a regression. Sure, plastic is better, and multi-part is better than single casts, but it still is not as good as a true multi-pose kit.

I was talking about the metal mono pose models, which this is more comparable to. They're not kits. They're basically a way to get out minor heroes cost effectively in plastic, since plastic is cheaper in the long run. These aren't models that would sell enough to make putting them in a multi-pose, multi-sprue kit cost effective. See them as a replacement for these minor heroes being done in finecast, not a replacement for kits expected to sell huge quantities of.

Best thing I liked about the plastic kits was the extras you got. (Lacking in the metal blister packs.)

I'd like to hope that they forget the finecrap and go back to what worked for them in the first place, as an alternative to metal. Plastic sprues with enough gear for attachemtns, weapons options, and extras for you to scrap together two or three more guys out of.

Is there a listing of the 18 characters?

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

ihavetoomuchminis wrote:I've been told that for the first time in years, there are news in december. And not the classical "blue model cases" and "megapaint box". I'm talking about models...... i even heard something about a book.....

Could it be related to those 18 models done, or some of them?

Necromunda necromunda necromunda!!!

NAVARRO wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

ihavetoomuchminis wrote:I've been told that for the first time in years, there are news in december. And not the classical "blue model cases" and "megapaint box". I'm talking about models...... i even heard something about a book.....

Could it be related to those 18 models done, or some of them?

Necromunda necromunda necromunda!!!

Mordheim!

More likely though it'll be some kind of supplement to the main game if there is a book

Plastic marine character kits for Librarians, Chaplains and Techmarines would be wonderful if they were done in the same way as the captain box.

But failing that, the same characters in monopose with a few options for the weapons and/or helmets would be very good as a compromise.

I hope that the characters they release are actually useful or generic enough that you can use them aa anything rather than fitting a specific role , although some specific figures new models.