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Until the female runs to the nearest bathroom because of morning sickness. When they use a pregnancy test (do they still have those in the 41st Millennium?) and it read positive...WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is a testiment to the poor science education endemic in western civilisation.
So the old ones planted humans on earth, and made all the other mammals for gaks and giggles? And in their wisdom knew that a tribe of hominids would experience severe weather, meaning only the most intelligent and co-operative would survive, leading to the development of the human race.
They were also clever enough to modify human DNA (which they somehow made millions of years ago before humans were around? What?) to make it appear as though it was related to all other life on earth.
I don't know why people find it difficult to except that two completely different species cannot reproduce. May as well try to reproduce with lichen. They were both created BY THE SAME THING, wow.

Joey wrote:This thread is a testiment to the poor science education endemic in western civilisation.
So the old ones planted humans on earth, and made all the other mammals for gaks and giggles? And in their wisdom knew that a tribe of hominids would experience severe weather, meaning only the most intelligent and co-operative would survive, leading to the development of the human race.
They were also clever enough to modify human DNA (which they somehow made millions of years ago before humans were around? What?) to make it appear as though it was related to all other life on earth.
I don't know why people find it difficult to except that two completely different species cannot reproduce. May as well try to reproduce with lichen. They were both created BY THE SAME THING, wow.

1) The 40k human is not just an result of evolution but created artificially by another species. We do not know if the DNA of an 40K banana fly is similar with 40k human DNA.
Heck we don't know if the old ones created the banana flies and every other species as well and buried the bones of dinosaurs just to trick the humans.

2) We do not know how Eldar biology works expect that Eldar and humans are more or less of the same design.

3) This is 40K. Logic and reason have been thrown out of the door anyway.

Joey wrote:This thread is a testiment to the poor science education endemic in western civilisation.
So the old ones planted humans on earth, and made all the other mammals for gaks and giggles? And in their wisdom knew that a tribe of hominids would experience severe weather, meaning only the most intelligent and co-operative would survive, leading to the development of the human race.
They were also clever enough to modify human DNA (which they somehow made millions of years ago before humans were around? What?) to make it appear as though it was related to all other life on earth.
I don't know why people find it difficult to except that two completely different species cannot reproduce. May as well try to reproduce with lichen. They were both created BY THE SAME THING, wow.

Careful with that first sentence. I'm fine with it, but some people here might consider it you calling them stupid or uneducated.

Joey wrote:This thread is a testiment to the poor science education endemic in western civilisation. ..I don't know why people find it difficult to except that two completely different species cannot reproduce. May as well try to reproduce with lichen. They were both created BY THE SAME THING, wow.

I don't think anyone said it would be easy, only that we don't actually know the genetic relationship between eldar and humans or how they may interact. You're the one flat out demanding that everyone share the same opinion even those your position is largely based on speculation of what the old ones may or may not have done. You're simply filling in gaps in the fluff to suit yourself.

And my science education is fine thanks, though it's not really relevant to the issue given that we are talking about a fictional universe in which species have not so much evolved as been created by ancient beings.

No one, not even the Eldar know what, who, or even the full intentions of the Old Ones. The Necrons may remember what they looked like, but they're not sharing that with anyone.

Safor wrote:

1) The 40k human is not just an result of evolution but created artificially by another species. We do not know if the DNA of an 40K banana fly is similar with 40k human DNA.
Heck we don't know if the old ones created the banana flies and every other species as well and buried the bones of dinosaurs just to trick the humans.

If the 40k universe is completely seperate from our own, rather than speculation about the future, then so be it. However, I thought it was supposed to be "based on" the real world.
In 40ks universe, humans may well be 10 feet tall.

Safor wrote:
2) We do not know how Eldar biology works expect that Eldar and humans are more or less of the same design.

No, we don't know how they work, so other people are choosing to assume the one in googleplexes chance, I mean a figure so large you couldn't even type it, that they're similar to humans.

Tadashi wrote:
Careful with that first sentence. I'm fine with it, but some people here might consider it you calling them stupid or uneducated.

Stupid? No. Uneducated? Definitely. Unless you're lucky enough to have had private education, our leaders have sold us down the stream in terms of education. I'm sick of meeting people with degrees in English from good universities who're barely capable of articulating their most base thoughts.
And I'm not even going to get started on science education...okay, you know what? Teenagers doing their GCSEs now have to write in their exams how yoghurt helps digestion and why recycling is good. I'm going to stop now before I rage fully.

No need to get angry. I was just saying be careful or you might offend someone else on the forums.

The old ones may have tinkered with human ancestry, but humans are more of a lab experiment gone wild with no observation nor control than a design experiment.

Eldar were MADE that way.
Humans are the way they are due to random chance and mutations.

chromedog wrote:The old ones may have tinkered with human ancestry, but humans are more of a lab experiment gone wild with no observation nor control than a design experiment.

Eldar were MADE that way.
Humans are the way they are due to random chance and mutations.

Mankind's ancestors were apparently left unattended by the Old Ones. Doesn't change the fact that Mankind's ancestors were created by the Old Ones.

Joey wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Careful with that first sentence. I'm fine with it, but some people here might consider it you calling them stupid or uneducated.

Stupid? No. Uneducated? Definitely. Unless you're lucky enough to have had private education, our leaders have sold us down the stream in terms of education. I'm sick of meeting people with degrees in English from good universities who're barely capable of articulating their most base thoughts.
And I'm not even going to get started on science education...okay, you know what? Teenagers doing their GCSEs now have to write in their exams how yoghurt helps digestion and why recycling is good. I'm going to stop now before I rage fully.

You should probably drop this rather personal line of attack about you presumptions on the education of others because you come across as rude and rather foolish.

Howard A Treesong wrote:
You should probably drop this rather personal line of attack about you presumptions on the education of others because you come across as rude and rather foolish.

I don't see how anyone could be offended by a criticism of post-grammar school educational system but, if you say so.

You're criticising the system as a means to tell others on this thread they are 'uneducated' when actually you nothing about another person's education, the problem is that they don't agree with you over an opinion on a fictional universe.

That's a fantastic post OP, but I have no idea

Just remembered that Eldar are supposed to have a triple helix DNA pattern, making them pretty much incompatible to humans.

I think that's Ork DNA. Two animal strands and one fungal strand.

Eldar and Humans have drastically different numbers of chromosomes, such a number that fusing of gametes would be impossible I believe. Also, I'm sure I read somewhere that Eldar breeding takes a great deal of time, as with each copulation more genetic material is added, so several breeding sessions would be needed, which is why Eldar numbers are so low.
Plus, even though they may be based on the same template, having a common ancestor, millions of years of evolution has turned them into totally different species, so, I'd say that chances of Eldar and Humans being able to interbreed would be zero to none.

Another theory I heard is that Eldar are from avian descent, the similarities are just due to convergent evolution.

Joey wrote:
If the 40k universe is completely seperate from our own, rather than speculation about the future, then so be it. However, I thought it was supposed to be "based on" the real world.
In 40ks universe, humans may well be 10 feet tall.

Its an fictive alternative reality based partially on our own.

Personally I could see three ways for how it could be possible.

1) Eldar and human DNA are somewhat compatible like the DNA of humans and flies. While it would be extremely difficult with an human ovum we don't know that about eldar ovums. If the eldar ovum can add the human DNA to its own and compensate for any lacking DNA by duplicating its own...

Also an larger amount of chromosomes could be explained with excessive trash DNA which in return could explain the long age of eldars.

2) Psychic powers are included.

3) Without knowing it the human is in fact already an eldar/human hybrid created by an radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor.

So its possible in fluff....


but not necessarily canon.

as my gay uncle who owns a bed and breakfast on an active volcano and wonders why it is difficult to get insurance would say...

"whatever creams your Twinkie"

Anyway there is no real reason you *can't* have your favorite Mary Sue home brew character be an Eldar Human Hybrid, as was pointed out Earlier GW actually had charachters like that back in Rogue Trader.

Of course GW has moved away from that sort of thing, and your friends might think you are a tool if you do it. But what do they know!

I'm having an ork/human hybrid then.
feth it, I'm having an eldar/ork/human/tyranid hybrid.
And I'll call it...bob.

Joey wrote:If the 40k universe is completely seperate from our own, rather than speculation about the future, then so be it. However, I thought it was supposed to be "based on" the real world.

In 40ks universe, humans may well be 10 feet tall.

Well we presume that normal humans are human unless otherwise stated as in the case of ab-humans. But Space Marines are 7-8' tall. Because they undergo massive surgery and genetic manipulation through their gene-seed. And that's hardly scientific, it's fantasy. It's also a universe in which people pray to make machines work instead of consulting the Haynes Rhino manual.


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Joey wrote:I'm having an ork/human hybrid then.
feth it, I'm having an eldar/ork/human/tyranid hybrid.
And I'll call it...bob.

Not really fair, we know that Orks reporduce asexually. But you can get genestealer hybrids with all of them.

Back in the day, when the Eldar were nothing more than Elves in Spaaaaace, yes, you could have a half-elven- er, I mean, half-Eldar character.

These days? No. I suppose if the stars aligned just right and you were a Rogue Trader in command of his own ship and ran into some Eldar chick out slumming it, you could go ahead and get your Kirk on, but...

... there's not going to be any kids, for pretty much all the reasons mentioned above. Could someone like Bile or any extremely-knowledgeable Tech Priest of the Magos Biologis create a test-tube Eldar/Human hybrid? Possibly.

Joey wrote:I'm having an ork/human hybrid then.
feth it, I'm having an eldar/ork/human/tyranid hybrid.
And I'll call it...bob.

As an creation of an mad scientist or an chaos god... Sure.
But by the traditional way.. I don't think all the booze in the galaxy is enough.

An Eldar female needs to mate repeatedly over an undefined amount of time to become pregnant. In this way, an Eldar can have several 'fathers' as each mating introduces some of the necessary genetic material. Pregnancy is longer than that of humans and more finicky. Double the amount of time, iirc?

Pretty different than human mating.

I think the mating is pretty much the same... the pregnancy and gestation is where things get different.

I am going to have to go ahead and say that canon states it is possible, because nothing else has said it is impossible. I realize that 40k canon is a little unstable, but until I see specific evidence otherwise the existing ruling takes precedent. This isn't biology, it's logic. I will withdraw this opinion when presented with a CANON statement otherwise. Statements about genetic and physiological differences need not apply, only statements of pure refutation.

There's been no mention of any Eldar half-breeds since the RT era. Although, being that this is 40K, there is no canon...

...there is only Zuul.

Psienesis wrote:there is no canon...

, but the battle cannon!

lol I love this topic, if you're really desperate for either

a) half eldar
b) impregnable 'eldar' ish person

then I'd have thought that you could create both using genetic modification, though I don't suppose that's as exciting...and perhaps too close to pure science for the Imperium

Atrocity Exhibition wrote:lol I love this topic, if you're really desperate for either

a) half eldar
b) impregnable 'eldar' ish person

then I'd have thought that you could create both using genetic modification, though I don't suppose that's as exciting...and perhaps too close to pure science for the Imperium

Why? The Imperium or to be more accurate the Admech have created the Gland Warriors and have tech-priests that have two brains in one body so that one tech-priest is actually two-tech priest's.