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That particular head is very old from my bits box, I chose it for the hair. It's actually from some of the earliest fantasy plastics they did in the late 80s!

It wouldn't suprise me if they were compatible when it comes to breeding.

Genestealers manage to do it so why not Eldar?

I know that if Eldar were real they would never be compatible but 40K is sci-fi not science

It really comes down to if GW would allow the idea as they had in the past.

Maybe Ward will add it to fluff in the next Eldar codex

Yak9UT wrote:It wouldn't suprise me if they were compatible when it comes to breeding.

Genestealers manage to do it so why not Eldar?

I know that if Eldar were real they would never be compatible but 40K is sci-fi not science

It really comes down to if GW would allow the idea as they had in the past.

Maybe Ward will add it to fluff in the next Eldar codex

Interesting point. And considering that genestealers come from another galaxy, while Humans and Eldar share a common origin, that's a good argument.

Tadashi wrote:

Yak9UT wrote:It wouldn't suprise me if they were compatible when it comes to breeding.

Genestealers manage to do it so why not Eldar?

I know that if Eldar were real they would never be compatible but 40K is sci-fi not science

It really comes down to if GW would allow the idea as they had in the past.

Maybe Ward will add it to fluff in the next Eldar codex

Interesting point. And considering that genestealers come from another galaxy, while Humans and Eldar share a common origin, that's a good argument.

Although genestealers do not actually 'breed' per se, they alter the dna of the host, who then gives birth to a genestealer.

Brother Coa wrote:I think that question here must be: do Eldar and Humans have different DNA?

That would made some complications for sure, but we never tried sex relationship with alien species before so who knows?

Captain James Tiberius Kirk did on a fairly regular Basis.

As a Chaos aside, if you look at the last ultramarines book, they had a corsair queen that had elements in her description that highly suggested mixed human and some highly slender, athletic, moving gracefully race. So it'd be either human + eldar or human + slaneshi demon thing pairing. Her lack of demonic descriptions however, makes me think the former is more likely.

The Dark Eldar probably would do it. Considering their tendencies to experiment and 'find' new novelties and sensations, they just might do something crazy, if you get what I mean.

KingDeath wrote:

Deathly Angel wrote:It might actually be possible, they're both creations of the Old Ones.

This might have been retconned. Unless i missed it the current Necrons codex no longer mentions that either the Eldar or Humans were created by the old ones.
Imo this is one of the few smart decisions in the current Necrons fluff.

I thought the NewCron codex described the Eldar as children of the Old Ones?

I think it's figurative...children as in inheritors? They did inherit the Webway after all. In any case, the new Codex may not mention the previous relationship between the Old Ones, the Eldar, and the Humans, but it doesn't actually go out of its way to contradict it, so the relationship might still be canon.

Joey wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Yes but why assume there is no relation at all? Both were 'created' by the old ones, evolution and genetics don't follow the rules of the real world.

Because an entity creates two things...they MUST be compatible? Riiight.

Because a Rhino can't be turned into a Razorback? Riiight.

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Joey wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Yes but why assume there is no relation at all? Both were 'created' by the old ones, evolution and genetics don't follow the rules of the real world.

Because an entity creates two things...they MUST be compatible? Riiight.

Because a Rhino can't be turned into a Razorback? Riiight.

Well the mechanicus makes lasguns and titans. Doesn't mean they can turn one into the other.

Apparently, no one noticed my addition to the OP. Assuming that a hybrid is born, would he/she need a spirit stone?

im2randomghgh wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Joey wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Yes but why assume there is no relation at all? Both were 'created' by the old ones, evolution and genetics don't follow the rules of the real world.

Because an entity creates two things...they MUST be compatible? Riiight.

Because a Rhino can't be turned into a Razorback? Riiight.

Well the mechanicus makes lasguns and titans. Doesn't mean they can turn one into the other.

The Magos Biologicus are quite skilled in fleshcraft so if they had a good reason they may well be able to do it but they would need that reason - as opposed to Chaos and Dark Eldar who are more likey to do it for sadsitic fun, sheer broedom, lets see what ahppens if etc

@ Tadashi - interesting question re spirits stones - not sure - but it may well be a good idea to have one ready "in case"??!

Considering their mixed background, would Slaanesh have no hold on hybrid souls? Or if he/she/it does, can/will the Emperor protect the hybrid's soul?

The mixed heriatge may be enough - especially if they are pledged to another God like the Emperor.

or it may be something that is not know until they die and their soul is released - if that is the case - its better to be safe than sorry.

Tadashi wrote:Humans and Eldar are so similar both physically and mentally. The Eldar consider the fact the greatest joke of the universe. Both races have similar builds and organs. They have the same blood chemistry. Eldar may be taller and more slender, with faster reflexes and psychic abilities, but the last two can be argued for the evolved Humans foreseen by the Emperor. Both races think alike as well: the Supreme Arrogance of the Eldar is matched only by the Xenophobic Pride of Mankind. Rumors have spread concerning the possibility of interbreeding between the races, although the Eldar consider it slanderous while Humans consider it blasphemous. So, the question is, true or false? (Don't condemn me for this...just curious...)
Additional Question: If it can be done, would the children need Spirit Stones?

Ithink these 'rumours' are more likely fan fiction fantasys of the most degrading type.

I guess it has been already rebuked by others already, but your view is increadible nieve with little knowledge of the 40k universe. Eldar are biologically massively different to Humans, they have a completely different way of coding DNA and breed very differently, these are the two main problems with your idea. Also Eldar are mentally and psychologically completely different to Humans as well.

Eldar are arrogant enough that I don't think any human would want to breed with them. DE however, well there are probably a lot of half DE folk out there that don't even know it.

Considering their mixed background, would Slaanesh have no hold on Eldar souls? Or if he/she/it does, can/will the Emperor protect the hybrid's soul?

The Emperor does not protect the human that sullies the perfection of their form through congress with the Xeno, nor does He protect the bastard offspring of such unholy unions.

Magos Biologis can create a hybrid clone of Human/Eldar stock. This does not mean that these two species can interbreed. The Magos Biologis can also create a cross between a spider, a lizard, a crustacean and a potato to make a Rancor Beast, but that doesn't make the resulting creature anything more than a chimerically-spliced genetic horror.

This is the same situation with the Genestealer. This is a creature designed, specifically, to be able to incapacitate a target creature and implant within it a parasitic lifeform that radically changes the host-creature's DNA to make it a slave to the Hive Mind.

Eldar have a quintuple helix, while humans have a double helix. Therefor Eldar are less genetically compatible to humans than, say, dolphins are. Or mosquitos.

(Chemically speaking, a quintuple helix doesn't make that much sense-- the double helix works as well as it does because of the chemical and inter(intra)molecular forces involved, but an odd number of strands would need some other aspect to keep itself together-- but Eldar are an inherently psychic species, so their obedience of the laws of chemistry is questionable at best)

^ Where did you get that from? Just curious.

Are there people really arguing over this? Its SCI-FI, anything is possible inside the 40k universe. I dont see people going on about the science of statis fields, or how the Golden Throne works exactly. Just because of this imma make a nid/marine now...... crap, my armor failed.....

Fido198674 wrote:Are there people really arguing over this? Its SCI-FI, anything is possible inside the 40k universe. I dont see people going on about the science of statis fields, or how the Golden Throne works exactly. Just because of this imma make a nid/marine now...... crap, my armor failed.....

That's because we know that a stasis field create a space-time bubble around an area of space in which time is 'frozen', and the Golden Throne is a ruined (partly at least) Webway portal/life-support/psychic enhancer for the Emperor. Hybrids have never been mentioned since RT, so the subject is still open to debate.

Brother Coa wrote:I am just saying, Eldar and Humans being almost the same makes you think.
Old Ones did make Eldar in their own image, and since we don't have any of their picture - we may assume that they look similar as Eldar.
I say they were Humans, but a little different from ones today. ( something similar like "Battlestar Galactica" ending )

I can't remember where, but I've read somewhere that the Old Ones looked a lot like lizardmen. Can anyone look into this? Because I won't be able to for a while.

im2randomghgh wrote:^ Where did you get that from? Just curious.

From Xenology: Notes and Research from the Alien Bestiary of Biegel. Good book.

Melissia wrote:
(Chemically speaking, a quintuple helix doesn't make that much sense-- the double helix works as well as it does because of the chemical and inter(intra)molecular forces involved, but an odd number of strands would need some other aspect to keep itself together-- but Eldar are an inherently psychic species, so their obedience of the laws of chemistry is questionable at best)

Not to mention that 40k is soft sci-fi at its softest. I wouldn't be surprised if GW said that the Eldar possesed a sextuple helix, if only because there's one universal law in the background - the rule of cool.

Those were the Slann, supposedly descendants or servants of the Old Ones. They were implied to be the Old Ones, but no confirmation was given.

Belexar wrote:I can't remember where, but I've read somewhere that the Old Ones looked a lot like lizardmen. Can anyone look into this? Because I won't be able to for a while.

Possibly, or it's possible the Slaan are another created servitor race (like eldar, jokearo, and orks), I have seen it posted both ways. If they are the old ones they have fallen far indeed.

I'm with the opinion of a servant race. If the Eldar were created in the image of the Old Ones, then the Slann can't be the Old Ones or they're descendants.

I thought the Slann were openly referred to as the Old Ones ages ago.

4th Edition replaces the Slann as the 'creator race' with the Old Ones, and started the debate over whether they were the same or the Slann were a servant race.

Eldar can crossbreed with humans because of that old Rogue-Trader era character (who has already been posted in this thread) who was stated to be an Eldar/human hybrid.

They still can crossbreed, because at no point has GW published the following words: "Eldar and humans cannot crossbreed/reproduce with each other."

Until those words show up somewhere in an official GW product, then Eldar/human hybrids are a genetic possibility. Just because GW stops talking about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore. Look at the Star Child... that was 1st edition stuff right there. They didn't mention it at all in 2nd edition. Then BAM! it's back in 3rd edition. Until GW flat out says something is no more (like Malal or the Zoats or the Squats) then there is still the possibility that it exists to be brought back in a later edition.

Now, is a hybrid LIKELY? No, not at all. With human xenophobia and Eldar arrogance as powerful as they are, it is highly unlikely that anyone would willingly get freaky with a member of the other race. However, if a DE captured an Eldar and a human and wanted to humiliate both of them, forcing them to have sex would be an effective way of doing so...

And of course, the DE are straight up kinky enough to mate with humans for sh*ts and giggles, so that's another possible source of half-breeds. Of course, it makes it unlikely that you'd see any half-breeds outside of Commorragh....

As for needing a soul stone? Well, I'd say it's better to be safe than sorry. Mom and Dad should definitely invest in a soul stone for their little blasphemy against nature.