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There was a White Dwarf out about 8 or 9 years ago (Maybe 10 at a push?) that had a scenario for Grey Knights (Daemon Hunters) fighting Tau.

It involved Daemonic runes/statue/token/amulet/weapon and it coming into contact with an Ethereal. The Daemon convinces the Tau to fight by its side etc.

The Greater Daemon was a Lord of Change as far as I recall.

Seems reasonable to have 'mislead Tau' rather than full blown 'Chaos Tau'.

When it comes to warp pressence the tau are probably barely noticed when compared to the large presence of humans and elder about. But when it comes to their way of life ill bet you the chaos gods would love to throw a wrench into their greater good system.

Squidmanlolz wrote:if Mat Ward writes the next Codex, you can bet that the Tau are decended from a lost priarch. :(

And that they will be CC monsters/

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:if Mat Ward writes the next Codex, you can bet that the Tau are decended from a lost priarch. :(

And that they will be CC monsters/

monsterous creatures with power-weapons

Kroothawk wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.

Erm, no. See my explanation above.

And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.

Erm, no. See my explanation above.

And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?

If not possessed, then what did you mean by "fall to chaos". please specify.

dreadfury101 wrote:i feel like tau would be a fun thing to do as chaos, they can be a nifty paint job/modeling. i imagine they would be like reavers from firefly, insane tau that dont really care about anything, or the greater evil if you want

I quite like this idea.

And while it won't be the primary idea behind it, I will probably include the idea in my Mont'au codex (not that I've done much to it in an age while I work on finishing my DE book)

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.

Erm, no. See my explanation above.

And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?

Not even the "one in a million" Tau where the Daemon thought he had a chance to corrupt, resisted exhausted to all four corruption attempts in a row and "killed" the Daemon. Kais ended broken but uncorrupted. So no Tau fell to Chaos in that novel.

They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.

EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.

Hhhm saw a thing bout chaos GK.. what about necron gk! replace the head with Crons! Assimilating the best tech! sorry sounded kinda need to use warscythes for halberds lol In a game that lets me make toilet paper tube titans and Mr Potatoe head Stompas I don't see why "chaos-ized" tau paint scheme is a big deal.

As has been noted several times, the Tau have a warp presence, albeit much smaller one than the humans. This means that they can be affected by Chaos. Also, they are pretty much unaware of the nature of the Ruinous Powers, so do not know to be wary.

I could totally see an isolated group of Tau turning to worship Chaos.

Also, i really do not like the trend that the every other group except humans seems to be somehow immune to Chaos. Makes it kinda lose impact.

Crimson wrote:As has been noted several times, the Tau have a warp presence, albeit much smaller one than the humans. This means that they can be affected by Chaos. Also, they are pretty much unaware of the nature of the Ruinous Powers, so do not know to be wary.

I could totally see an isolated group of Tau turning to worship Chaos.

Also, i really do not like the trend that the every other group except humans seems to be somehow immune to Chaos. Makes it kinda lose impact.

Except the Eldar, ya know the whole birth of Slaanesh thing....

The Tau have a warp presence yes, but is it enough for a daemon or reward from a chaos god to be ushered through to the material world. I don't think so.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:
The Tau have a warp presence yes, but is it enough for a daemon or reward from a chaos god to be ushered through to the material world. I don't think so.

But it is enough for the chaos entities to whisper into their minds.

To overcome their natural limitations, the Chaos Tau build great Portal Engines, as an altars to their newly found gods. Then they form raids to capture as many human, eldar, and other warp-active creatures as they can, and hook them up to the Portal Engine. With carefully calculated protocols they sacrifice these poor captives, harnessing the power of their minds in order to open the gates for their new demonic allies into the world.

A daemon of tzeetch could find it an interesting challenge. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to break something that was considered a tough challenge. Plus the diversity of the Tau empire might appeal to their infatuation with varied shapes.

Crimson wrote:But it is enough for the chaos entities to whisper into their minds.

To overcome their natural limitations, the Chaos Tau build great Portal Engines, as an altars to their newly found gods. Then they form raids to capture as many human, eldar, and other warp-active creatures as they can, and hook them up to the Portal Engine. With carefully calculated protocols they sacrifice these poor captives, harnessing the power of their minds in order to open the gates for their new demonic allies into the world.

I like the thought process; however, I do have some contentions and alternatives to bring up.

1. Out and out Chaos Tau seems dramatically unlikely with the given evidence (this limited mostly to the post Kroothawk put up, thanks Kroot, no leg work for me).

2. That being said, The Tau do work with other factions for "The Greater Good", and as such might be persuaded into performing things for a particularly Charismatic Envoy for Chaos. While no precedence for this, an Etheral caught away from Tau space could determine the best course of action for his troops to pursue would be negotiations with a Chaotic element in order to ensure survival against an overwhelming imperial/ork/tyranid/necron/etc force. This wouldn't get you super Skullz Tau, it would give you Tau more than capable of performing the activities not usually undertaken in the name of the Greater Good. This keeps the intentions of Serving the Greater Good intact, and allows for (in a sense) chaos Tau.

I personally love the idea of Chaos Tau. Not because I like Chaos, not because I like Tau, but because I LOVE the idea of CHAOS POPE! Best character idea ever! Imagine a super powerful, pheremone-wielding Nurgle Ethereal. Yes...YES...the plan is working...

What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?

xXSir MontyXx wrote:What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?

Tentacles!

What would the effect on their tech be? For instance, what would a chaos pulse carbine do to somebody? haha

Mustela wrote:They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.

EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.

As already stated heavily in this thread and many others on this website the Tau do have souls and a warp presence this is evident in the fluff (they are described as having a dim presence in the warp) and in-game by the fact that psychic powers effect them.

Also being a pawn of Tzeentch has no bearing on a being's faith or outlook, the purest of people can still be a toy for the god to play with.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Mustela wrote:They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.

EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.

As already stated heavily in this thread and many others on this website the Tau do have souls and a warp presence this is evident in the fluff (they are described as having a dim presence in the warp) and in-game by the fact that psychic powers effect them.

Also being a pawn of Tzeentch has no bearing on a being's faith or outlook, the purest of people can still be a toy for the god to play with.

I agree with the pawn of tzeentch piece here, is it not more chaotic say if he were to get ahold of say....... the pope today and throw the catholic community into disarray with the popes sudden "strange" behavior???

xXSir MontyXx wrote:What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?

What would they gain? I think that ethereals could have psychic pheremones. There could actually be a rule that ethereals could have the mark of Tzeentch (sp?) which would grant the following:

Psychic Pheremones: These pheremones are not just pheremones, they are psychically charged pheremones. This gives the pheremones the ability to control opposing units. This power is a psychic shooting power; however, failed psychic tests have no ill affect (effect? I wish I were a grammar ninja) because Tau Ethereals have a limited presence in the warp. This power fires at the ethereals BS and any unit hit by this power must immediately take a leadership test. If any unit fails this test they are immediately controlled by the Tau player for the duration of the game because they have come to appreciate the power of the greater good.

Aside from ethereals with psychic powers there could be firewarriors with demon possessed guns that give them better BS, Kroot with springy tentacles that make them jump troops, and other assorted badnesses.

Darthslowe wrote:What would they gain? I think that ethereals could have psychic pheremones. There could actually be a rule that ethereals could have the mark of Tzeentch (sp?) which would grant the following:

Psychic Pheremones: These pheremones are not just pheremones, they are psychically charged pheremones. This gives the pheremones the ability to control opposing units. This power is a psychic shooting power; however, failed psychic tests have no ill affect (effect? I wish I were a grammar ninja) because Tau Ethereals have a limited presence in the warp. This power fires at the ethereals BS and any unit hit by this power must immediately take a leadership test. If any unit fails this test they are immediately controlled by the Tau player for the duration of the game because they have come to appreciate the power of the greater good.

Aside from ethereals with psychic powers there could be firewarriors with demon possessed guns that give them better BS, Kroot with springy tentacles that make them jump troops, and other assorted badnesses.

Interesting power (probably overpowered, limit the turns down a bit, maybe during your shooting/assault phase you control them before returning to normal next turn. And I wouldn't make it psychic. Its agaist the fluff grain. Just give it to the Etheral's as is. They speak pretty words, and don't have a use besides objective marker currently.

Fire Warrior Bs is alread increased by Targeting Arrays. Kroot can already evolve wings (Kroot Merc has some neat stuff on these guys), I would run wing kroot as Vespid, because I hate bugs (if I was going to run vespid of course). I guess you could run them as 15/25's also, cause Kroot are stealthy and gak. Model with some fancy stealth looking doodad, plus Burst cannons, bam, pretty cool huh.

That power is incredibly overpowered.
Make it so you can dictate their actions for a single phase, off a simple leadership test within range (maybe a template attack) during their opponents next turn and I can see it being a fair idea...

Also - Ethereals are cool, I'm going to be running one as a centerpoint of my force, huddled within 12 Firewarriors with 4 drones consequences be damned. . If it wasn't for that 1+ suit commander limit I'd run 2 for giggles. xD
LOTS of Firewarriors and S5 shooting is my Tau forces rhetoric. (That and Deathrains + Hammerheads, but mostly Fire Warriors).

But with their very limited connection to the warp, especially if they lack reprecussions from psychic power, why would they have such a strong one?

I would think simply making their inherrant power stronger would be best overall, making all tau nearby fearless, maybe confer some other USR aswell like Relentless.

Squidmanlolz wrote:
If not possessed, then what did you mean by "fall to chaos". please specify.

Corruption, being tainted, imbuned, or otherwise touched by Chaos, however briefly. Kais suffered madness and rage and all that other un-tau like stuff because he was being influenced (even bolstered) by a Daemon. Whether or not it left a permamant impression was left unsaid by the end of the book - he was basically catatonic but still fighting back to regain himself.

What is so problematic about that?

Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?

Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!

First of all, my idea of chaos tau was more like, not corrupted at first, but instead miss leaded by Tzeench, than influenced by him, at last corrupted.

Second, if it would be possible for them to be corrupted if singled out, than it would be awesome.

Raven like hammer heads with demonic possession, with drones that would swarm the surroundings in order to protect it. Moreover suits with organically implants that would enhance their mobility and accuracy. Or super stealthy camo suits that would be used as shock troops, with new ravenish claw mutations.

Or just imagine Tau like defiler with the tzeench feel or its version of vindicator with rail gun instead.

I think becoming Chaos tau would not stop them in using their advanced technology; I even think that Tzeench would lead them to demonically improve it to gain even more of it. So you would have some sort of demonical super - tech.

At last, all this will be led by some sort of strong socceror.

But yeah this was my original idea...

sudojoe wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?

Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!

You can also take Grey Knights if you decorate the bases with dead Sororitas. People will understand

Hey if its your army you can do w.e you want and make up all the fluff you want to go with them.

Kroothawk wrote:

sudojoe wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?

Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!

You can also take Grey Knights if you decorate the bases with dead Sororitas. People will understand

You guys are really suprised by that? Really? The inquisition burns worlds if they cant contain it. lol That to me wasn't all that shocking. GK are considered last resort before terminatus.