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DarknessEternal wrote:Is this thread going to somehow generate new content that the 41 page thread in News and Rumors won't?

Surprisingly, yes it will.

The model kind of looks like a light attack craft from Planetside.

Though i think the guns should have been bigger.

DeathReaper wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Is this thread going to somehow generate new content that the 41 page thread in News and Rumors won't?

Surprisingly, yes it will.

The model kind of looks like a light attack craft from Planetside.

Though i think the guns should have been bigger.

Really? Because it would look better with smaller guns and if you got rid of the Assault cannon
before

After

The Assault cannon needs to be on top really, like the mounting on the Stormraven.

It looks like the Mosquito from Planetside

DeathReaper wrote:The Assault cannon needs to be on top really, like the mounting on the Stormraven.

It looks like the Mosquito from Planetside

I am not that good of an editor, but ontop instead of the vent would defiantly look better.

I think its a sexy machine with and without the assault cannons mounted down below, I will def swing by and pick one up,

This wont work the GK armies correct?

Joss wrote:This wont work the GK armies correct?

Correct, Codex marines only.

Joss wrote:This wont work the GK armies correct?

Currently this is correct.

Even I think its better without the cannon. They probably did too, but they wanted to get more guns on it and ended up killing it.

IS the ac optional?

This thing is awesome, everything a small SM flyer should be. Much MUCH better looking than a landspeeder, WAY better than the Stormraven. Very very cool!

Actually, the model looks pretty bad but I'll definitely buy one to ''escort'' whatever it can escort - not sure what this rule means.

DeathReaper wrote:

Mordiggian wrote:I thought the Stormraven looked too compressed to be a useful aircraft. This looks like a cartoon, a suggestion of soemthing that might fly, created by someone who has no concept of aerial dynamics.

You mean just like the Thunderhawk, and the Stormraven, and every other "Flier" out there?

None of the "Fliers" have enough surface area on the wings to be able to actually fly.

At most they could hover (Fly) like a helicopter.

Well, in the Thunderhawk's defense, at least it subscribes to "rule of cool" and looks slick enough to be a desirable model.


The Storm Raven cracks me up with its top turret. What good is a gunship that can't bring its guns to bear on ground targets? At least the Talon fixed this.

risK on BolterandChainsword posted this photoshop. It's not perfect, but definitely an improvement. I'd still trim down the side housings and move them up, keep the original canopy, and obviously mod the landing gear.



Honestly, this makes more sense. For a VTOL craft with a single pilot, having a chin turret isn't really necessary. The pilot can point the craft where he wants to shoot. Space Marines are pretty awesome, but I'm not sure they can multitask quite at the level to fly in one direction while shooting in another, lol.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:The Storm Raven cracks me up with its top turret. What good is a gunship that can't bring its guns to bear on ground targets? At least the Talon fixed this.

You realize that this is GW right?
The thing can not even fly, why worry about where its turret is with a "Real World" view?
The rules are an abstraction used to simulate a battle. "Real World" Physics have nothing to do with the game.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Honestly, this makes more sense. For a VTOL craft with a single pilot, having a chin turret isn't really necessary. The pilot can point the craft where he wants to shoot. Space Marines are pretty awesome, but I'm not sure they can multitask quite at the level to fly in one direction while shooting in another, lol.

Space Marines can fly forward, while looking right, and bullseye things out of the left side of the craft, so they can make full utilization of that bottom turret. (Not that anyone will, in practice, unless it has PoTMS).

Like I said, Rule of Cool can substitute for small aerodynamic details.

The Storm Raven isn't cool, so it is subject to harsher criticism.

To be honest I'm not really a fan of the Stormtoaster. I think that the model is too silly and the rules aren't great. In short, I think that you are either going to shoot with it, and maybe kill something, not get the cover save and it is going to get blown out of the sky, or you are going to fly around with it, get the cover save to get some survivability but not shoot. I don't see the hover rule coming into effect particularly often though. If anyone gets any experience with this thing to the contruary please let me know but as it currently stands I don't really rate it in gameplay terms.

IMO It looks cool aside from the under mounted assault cannons.

To be honest, I really like it, oversized assault cannons and all. Dare I say it, all around AV11 ain't too shabby on a flier, either.

Rampage wrote:To be honest I'm not really a fan of the Stormtoaster. I think that the model is too silly and the rules aren't great. In short, I think that you are either going to shoot with it, and maybe kill something, not get the cover save and it is going to get blown out of the sky, or you are going to fly around with it, get the cover save to get some survivability but not shoot. I don't see the hover rule coming into effect particularly often though. If anyone has any experience with this thing to the contruary please let me know but as it currently stands I don't really rate it in gameplay terms.

No one has any experence with them.
they don't get released untill the 2nd of june

Doomhunter wrote:

Rampage wrote:To be honest I'm not really a fan of the Stormtoaster. I think that the model is too silly and the rules aren't great. In short, I think that you are either going to shoot with it, and maybe kill something, not get the cover save and it is going to get blown out of the sky, or you are going to fly around with it, get the cover save to get some survivability but not shoot. I don't see the hover rule coming into effect particularly often though. If anyone has any experience with this thing to the contruary please let me know but as it currently stands I don't really rate it in gameplay terms.

No one has any experence with them.
they don't get released untill the 2nd of june

I get that, I should have used future tense I think, that was a stupid lexical error on my part. I mean that if anyone has any experience with them after they are released. I'll go back to my original post and clear that up.

Getting ONE just for the special rules. Other than that, it reminds me of a Cobra ship from the GI Joe movie and the thing should have been lengthened and the landing gear put behind the heavy bolters.

Antigravity can effectively nullify all arguments about it being aerodynamic. However the assault cannons do make it look horribly front heavy (the edit previously shown looks far better). As it has no transport capacity i have LESS of an issue with "scale".

vodo40k wrote:Antigravity can effectively nullify all arguments about it being aerodynamic. However the assault cannons do make it look horribly front heavy (the edit previously shown looks far better). As it has no transport capacity i have LESS of an issue with "scale".

Another reason they give me a good first impression; no need to pay for transport capabilities that I may not want, but will feel obligated to fill in order to feel I'm getting my points worth. Kind of like how I feel the Land Raider would be used much more often if it couldn't transport, but costed 50 points less.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Mordiggian wrote:I thought the Stormraven looked too compressed to be a useful aircraft. This looks like a cartoon, a suggestion of soemthing that might fly, created by someone who has no concept of aerial dynamics.

You mean just like the Thunderhawk, and the Stormraven, and every other "Flier" out there?

None of the "Fliers" have enough surface area on the wings to be able to actually fly.

At most they could hover (Fly) like a helicopter.

Well, in the Thunderhawk's defense, at least it subscribes to "rule of cool" and looks slick enough to be a desirable model.


The Storm Raven cracks me up with its top turret. What good is a gunship that can't bring its guns to bear on ground targets? At least the Talon fixed this.

risK on BolterandChainsword posted this photoshop. It's not perfect, but definitely an improvement. I'd still trim down the side housings and move them up, keep the original canopy, and obviously mod the landing gear.



Honestly, this makes more sense. For a VTOL craft with a single pilot, having a chin turret isn't really necessary. The pilot can point the craft where he wants to shoot. Space Marines are pretty awesome, but I'm not sure they can multitask quite at the level to fly in one direction while shooting in another, lol.

that looks so much better.

personally I love this model, im a huge fan of Arial support crafts like attack choppers. I think ill be upping my 2k army to a 2.5k army to accommodate 3 of these bad boys. 1 will have a TL laz cannon and 2 will have the ML that have a range of 60".

early on in this thread someone asked what the escort rule meant, basically it means that when you bring in a unit from reserve this unit can come along with it and then break off and do its own thing.


IE i bring in a Rhino this bad boy come in at the same time. so if you bring in a drop pod one of these bad boys come in with it, (i think it works with drop pods)

Backspacehacker wrote:personally I love this model, im a huge fan of Arial support crafts like attack choppers. I think ill be upping my 2k army to a 2.5k army to accommodate 3 of these bad boys. 1 will have a TL laz cannon and 2 will have the ML that have a range of 60".

early on in this thread someone asked what the escort rule meant, basically it means that when you bring in a unit from reserve this unit can come along with it and then break off and do its own thing.


IE i bring in a Rhino this bad boy come in at the same time. so if you bring in a drop pod one of these bad boys come in with it, (i think it works with drop pods)

Crap, you can get 'em with an ML? The GW page only had pics of them standard, or with the HBs swapped fo LCs. With a range of 60"? Damn, I think I've gotta get at least one now. Maybe it'll be my mid-semester project. An hour here and there, and whabam, by the end of the year it's done.

They have 4 options you can pick from

standard: having TL heavy bolters
or TL laz cannons
or ML able to use frag or krak (dont know the range on them)
then another ML type think its called thunderstorm ML or something like that. but it has a range of 60" and is a heavy 3

Backspacehacker wrote:They have 4 options you can pick from

standard: having TL heavy bolters
or TL laz cannons
or ML able to use frag or krak (dont know the range on them)
then another ML type think its called thunderstorm ML or something like that. but it has a range of 60" and is a heavy 3

Psh, damn. Save that for next summer, get three of them. I can do Rhinos for my tac squads over the year.

Edit for: Ah crap, conflict of interest.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
risK on BolterandChainsword posted this photoshop. It's not perfect, but definitely an improvement. I'd still trim down the side housings and move them up, keep the original canopy, and obviously mod the landing gear.



Honestly, this makes more sense. For a VTOL craft with a single pilot, having a chin turret isn't really necessary. The pilot can point the craft where he wants to shoot. Space Marines are pretty awesome, but I'm not sure they can multitask quite at the level to fly in one direction while shooting in another, lol.

yeah, would def keep the more open canopy, I dont mind the assault cannons hanging down, but i do like them tucked in to

I wonder why GW bother paying highly skilled professionals thousands of pounds when clearly there are so many people on the internet who're better at designing things than they are?
Honestly, I think it looks pretty cool. All the whining about how "ugly" it looks will fade in time when people get used to it.
Also pointless discussing it rules-wise since it's very obviously intended for 6th Edition.