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DeathReaper wrote:

Mordiggian wrote:I thought the Stormraven looked too compressed to be a useful aircraft. This looks like a cartoon, a suggestion of soemthing that might fly, created by someone who has no concept of aerial dynamics.

You mean just like the Thunderhawk, and the Stormraven, and every other "Flier" out there?

None of the "Fliers" have enough surface area on the wings to be able to actually fly.

At most they could hover (Fly) like a helicopter.

Yes, but to an even greater degree.


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vodo40k wrote:Antigravity can effectively nullify all arguments about it being aerodynamic. However the assault cannons do make it look horribly front heavy (the edit previously shown looks far better). As it has no transport capacity i have LESS of an issue with "scale".

Then why give it the teeny suggestions of wings and the tail? If it's got antigrav, it can look like a washimg machine, a boiler, or a dodecahedron, and still fly.

Don't like the model, though I do like the idea of giving it lascannons and escorting my horde squashing land speeders for some longer ange anti tank fire power.

Needs to be longer, ass cans should not be underslung, or that big. Maybe open.sided with 1 cannon per side, manned by marines. Apache style. That'd look awesome.

Joey wrote:I wonder why GW bother paying highly skilled professionals thousands of pounds when clearly there are so many people on the internet who're better at designing things than they are?
Honestly, I think it looks pretty cool. All the whining about how "ugly" it looks will fade in time when people get used to it.
Also pointless discussing it rules-wise since it's very obviously intended for 6th Edition.

This. We can all complain about how beardy or useless it is, once we actually see it in its natural habitat.

I like it, though it confuses me as to why they included it? Of all the things they could do for the C:SM or for any other dex for that matter, this is what they came out with? Makes me wonder about 6th ed.? I think it has a very landed and reversed "slave one" look to it? I'd like to see it w/o canopy, just like a roll cage, maybe? The landing gear on gun carriage is first thing i noticed too, but I don't think the Assault Cannon is "too much"... put the turret on top and landing gear on rocket pods? It would make a "cool" edition to my Scars/Ravens but still don't know if I'll run out and buy one... not sure about the points or special rules for this but why not just go with the Tempest Speeder?

A HA! found a picture of what I thought It looked like:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1366&bih=590&tbm=isch&tbnid=ic-mG9_GuTpIKM:&imgrefurl=http://benflex.free.fr/original/Paris_wip.html&docid=alni0r-ojLW6lM&imgurl=http://benflex.free.fr/original/images/havoc_preview_002.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=z_LET_nlI9KY1AW4rL2VCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=385&vpy=298&dur=1925&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=140&ty=166&sig=116571750180036285500&page=1&tbnh=124&tbnw=165&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0,i:103

That's alotta code...

No way does it look that cool

Cool or not. I'll get two of these ''beauties'' for my vanilla Marine army.

Hey!
Look!
A flying toaster!!!
XD

it looks alot like the Ship from G-police, i like it, its not there best model but its good.

I will be swapping out the ass cans for the master of the ravenwing ones

I like it, honestly. Its kinda funny looking but reminds me of the AH-1 Cobra so I like it.

I like it, its funny. like a kinda dumb puppy.

Also Scouts+landspeeder storm+ outflank+ stormtalon = my next plan!

I hate this model with a passion. The rules are droll and the assault cannons make it look stupid. Top it off with a dollup of overpriced weaponry and gakky armour and you have something that isn't worth the time it takes to put it together, let alone paint it.

I want a gunship to look like this:


or something like an orca out of command and conquer. What they've gone for here is silly and out of proportion. The wings are tiny and the body is huge. The guns are huge. The engines are unnecessarily huge. Who the feth decided that the wings would face backwards?

I would rather have a Storm Raven for all its faults (at least its wings are large enough that they could be realistic, even if they are far too far behind the body of the vehicle.) than this hunk of plastic.

The stormtalon does not look like a flying toaster because the stormraven looks like a flying toaster and the hole where the top turret has been taken off is the `crumpet hole`

I hate it ! OOOOOO no incoming attack from a .... box ?

I rather like it. It has thrusters rather than wings to keep it aloft and massive engines to.make it faster. Big assault cannon is a focal point.

FenWulf29 wrote:Hey!
Look!
A flying toaster!!!
XD

At this point, I'm going to stop snickering at GW utilizing the works of James Cameron/WWI/ and various other films by proxy. Original GW designs just aren't appealing.

Scipio Africanus wrote:Who the feth decided that the wings would face backwards?

And yet the model you look at has "backwards wings"

Have to see if my DA will be allowed to use it before I induct the "flying toaster" into my Ravenwing. Not real crazy about the model but maybe will get used to it.

SpiritOfKantor wrote:I prefer the Ork flyers.

THIS! But, I really like all of the flyers. This is 40k...my orks are carrying a hammer a stick of metal and a rocket on the end and taking out tanks with it. "Things that shouldn't be" should be left to real life

Ledabot wrote:

Scipio Africanus wrote:Who the feth decided that the wings would face backwards?

And yet the model you look at has "backwards wings"

No, the wings come out to a flat. On both the storm Raven and this... Talon... the wings go in a diagonal line until the end. The Valkyrie at least ends with a level end. (not that it's much better.)

These models are small, chunky and ridiculous. While I realise in part this is so they take up less space, an aircraft is usually fairly small, but it is not chunky.
The body is fairly long and the wings are broad. On this, the body is large and the wings are tiny - and facing backwards. At least on the valkyrie the wings are suitable on the body of the vehicle (and in a good position, not like the storm raven where the wings are all the way at the back for god knows what reason.)


But, in saying this Forge world is no better. All the models wings are at the back for SM, again for god knows what reason.

I think this is trying to be a helicopter of a sort, hence the stubby wings. At least that's my impression of it.

It's like the little brother of the stormraven

played against one today.

its pretty compact and looks fairley decent all things conisdered, aside from the weapons being in an odd spot.

rules wise....ZOMG is it broken.... aireal assault AND supersonic??? really? oh and it gets hoverstrike.... its like space marines were getting killed by DE too much, so they had to borrow the DE rules to make them happy. talk about silly. but hey.... whatever sells MOAR MEHREENS!!!!!

I think they were like: OMG that Avartar movie by James Cameron was awsome! So let's make one of those wierd planes and make it into an uglier version of it. Or maybe a kid of a Games Workshop designer got ahold of a Thunderhawk gun ship and hit it on the floor a couple times? If I had to make a decision, I would rather buy a Valkyrie kit and make it count as a Storm Talon or mould huge wings out of Green stuff and have wings on it instead of those horrible jet engines on the side of it and the autocannons on either wings.

I think I made a comment to a friend about how you would be crazy not to want what is basicly a flying, almost assult proof lascannon boat. They say it being high up is bad. No! its bad for you. Where are you going to hide?

Phase 2. Flying railguns!

it seems lacking to me. a single las cannon? garbage IMO I think the missile launcher in the only viable upgrade simply because you get 2 shots with it.
the single heavy bolter is garbage too.

immune to melta doesn't mean anything to me for an armor 11 flyer. you only need a 3 to glance in which you can still destroy it on a glancing roll of 6.

it just seems like balloon floating in the air waiting to be destroyed.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:you only need a 3 to glance

Whats easier, getting a 3 on one die, or getting a 3 on two dice?
ceramite plating helps in the unlikley situation that someone gets in melta range (it's probably already been destroyed by this point).

I think the big issue here is that people are expecting to much from it. its not meant to be a super heavy flyer like an Apache gun ship, its more along the lines of a smaller more agile scouting chopper. its lightly equipped. not meant to be a tank killer but harass the hell outta infantry. with a TL assault cannon and equipping the ML or the storm hammer ML will let you put some hurt on any sort of infantry and with the 60" range you can hit them from a far

I really like the look of it, i think i will buy 2 of them to put with my ultra smurfs and equip them with the Heavy 3 launcher and use it for infantry and light vehicle hunting, even though i wish they had raised the cost just a little bit and made it AV12, but i realize that it would just be a non troop carrying stormraven so i can see why they made it AV11

My iron hands list uses 3 thunderfire cannons, so it has little more than 2 razorbacks for long range anti-tank. These little fliers changed everything, now I have 2 (well 3, but a mispak error means I'm waiting on the mail) and it's going to be an armored iron hands list at it's finest.

Now if only there was a way to take landspeeders as elites choices, I'd be sooooo happy.