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Might make a nice escort to my LSS scout Squadron.

It looks like an AH-64 has probed a Thunderhawk and the Thunderhawk gave it's offspring up for adoption.

It's pug-ugly and wildly unfeasible as a flying vehicle. As such, it's an excellent example of "Imperial" vehicle design. I like it.

What's odd is NOT the Storm Talon/Raven/Eagle.... it's that something ad relatively sleek as a Land Speeder slipped through the design phase to actually make it into production!

Joey wrote:I wonder why GW bother paying highly skilled professionals thousands of pounds when clearly there are so many people on the internet who're better at designing things than they are?
Honestly, I think it looks pretty cool. All the whining about how "ugly" it looks will fade in time when people get used to it.
Also pointless discussing it rules-wise since it's very obviously intended for 6th Edition.

I hate this argument every time it comes up about anything. A person does not need to be a better designer or artist to determine if something looks bad. One does not need to be able to do a job themselves to spot if someone else has done the job badly.

Who says you cant feild one in an alternitive space marine codex(blood angels for example) well blood angels are space marines so lets feild our blood angels,black templars,space wolves,dark angels stormtalons proudly and show that xeno scum a thing or two.



(please back me up on this)

I think it is pretty ugly, but since I don't have a SM army anymore that really doesn't matter. I will be buying a couple of the ork bommerz, though for my soon to appear new ork army.

Skriker

orkdestroyer1 wrote:Who says you cant feild one in an alternitive space marine codex(blood angels for example) well blood angels are space marines so lets feild our blood angels,black templars,space wolves,dark angels stormtalons proudly and show that xeno scum a thing or two.



(please back me up on this)

The same reason that blood angels are the only ones who can field Baal preds, or furioso dreads? Why can only space wolves take long fangs and thunderwolf cavalry? How come only Dark Angels gets Raven wing? Why do Templars have to hog all the neophytes? How come only grey knights have paladins and purifiers?

The codexes are barely different from each other to begin with, that's why. They need every ounce of individualism they can get.

Stormtalon? I got one WIP on my P&M blog and love the kit. So easy to assemble and detailed enough that washes won't pool.

As a kit it is was a nice build for a friends force, but I wouldn't purchase one for myself. Aside from its relative usefulness, it looks like crap.

Who will take the thing though? at 150 ish points for something as durable as a rhino is stupid. Pay the extra 30 and get 2 typhoons, more shots, more targets.

Unless 6th pulls something out for flyers this is a dust collector.

I'm torn on this one. It looks like a boss in a video game I played once. If the thing doesn't move fast I can see this functioning as a relatively slow moving flying tank of destruction.

But if it's supposed to move fast then no way.

How is this -not- considered appropriately ugly? The ork bomber is sleeker, reminds me of a Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 or a F-86 Sabre.

As for the people who hate the turret; the alternative is an AH-64 fixed wing setup. I like it because it's original.

Hojtastic wrote:I'm torn on this one. It looks like a boss in a video game I played once. If the thing doesn't move fast I can see this functioning as a relatively slow moving flying tank of destruction.

But if it's supposed to move fast then no way.

It has aerial assault and super sonic, so it does move quick, but its still a rhino.

Ravenous D wrote:

Hojtastic wrote:I'm torn on this one. It looks like a boss in a video game I played once. If the thing doesn't move fast I can see this functioning as a relatively slow moving flying tank of destruction.

But if it's supposed to move fast then no way.

It has aerial assault and super sonic, so it does move quick, but its still a rhino.

Yeah, I think at the end of the day its durability is the main problem. It's a flying Rhino, which means it's never going to get a cover save from terrain, and the only way to get one is by moving flat out, which now means that you're not shooting.

Ravenous D wrote:Unless 6th pulls something out for flyers this is a dust collector.

We only have a few weeks until we find out, eh?

So yeah, uh,faster flying rhino with no transport, only slightly more armour and a lot more firepower. It sucks.

Yeah, uh, faster flying trukk with a lot more firepower (3 TL Supa Shootas/ 1 SS, 1 BS 3 TL Big Shoota+ Burna Bombs and Skorcha Rokkits/ TL Supa Soota, 2 Bombs and 1 BS 3 Big Shoota) only slightly more durable (not open topped) and no transport. Yeah, it must suck too.

I can tell my Tyranids are going to hate this thing with a passion.

loota boy wrote:

The same reason that blood angels are the only ones who can field Baal preds, or furioso dreads? Why can only space wolves take long fangs and thunderwolf cavalry? How come only Dark Angels gets Raven wing? Why do Templars have to hog all the neophytes? How come only grey knights have paladins and purifiers?

The codexes are barely different from each other to begin with, that's why. They need every ounce of individualism they can get.

Read "Exponential Power Creep" for Individualism

Here's my question:

Is there any justification for this model at all???

Why didn't they just release a Land Speeder kit to represent the FW tempest???? They could have added an armored piece that overlays the open cockpit, twin-linked assault cannons to fit under the nose like a Ravenwing LS, and empty pods in place of the Typhoon's that could hold Heavy Bolters/lascannons/missiles?

Hell, for the same price I can buy a Landspeeder kit + Ravenwing Sprue and make a "Stormtalon-variant Landspeeder" that will fit the feel of my existing Space Marines a helluva lot better, and other than something to cover the cockpit, it's not even a conversion- just straight parts in the appropriate places!!!!.

Use either of these options and add the Stormtalon rules. It's what I'll probably be doing.

You can get the base Landspeeder kit+ ravenwing landspeeder add-ons for 30 dollars through the warstore's Bitz service! The Ravenwing kit even has spare Heavy Bolters to replace the missiles if you wish.

It's just an excuse to add another so called "Kewl toy" into the range. It looks like a cut and shunt, Stormraven, which in turn is a cut and shunt Stormeagle and in turn this is a cut and shunt Thunderhawk.

The logic being "Everyone Loves a thunderhawk" but few can afford them, and they have slowly brought the fly range a wider and wider market by making a smaller and smaller, and cheaper (but not much) SM flyer.

I wish they would stop for a minute and stop cranking out this stuff and ret-conning the universe to include this poo. Stuff like this is for FW not for the GW core range. Next expect a budget level Titan, oh yeah a Knight Paladin, Knight Baron cost £70 Bigger than a Dread-knight smaller than a Warhound. They are expanding into bigger and bigger kits where the margin is appallingly good, bit more cardboard and a 3 part Metal plastic mould, then crank it out like it's going out of fashion. GW are printing money at the moment, no sign of the so called Price backlash.

The one thing I have to admit is that I could possibly see the Stormtalon hitting my table if I made it look like this mode but with the assault cannons alingside the air intakes on each side of the cockpit.:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/117414.page

I'd still rather make it a landspeeder variant, though.

Avakael wrote:The ork bomber is sleeker, reminds me of a Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 or a F-86 Sabre.

Nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Skriker

I've been using my two built talons and they have done wonderfully.

They key is their speed, and their ability to induce pinning.

Hoverstrike is amazing, I can blast some infantry and force a pinning test with a lascannon, it's worked so well.

loota boy wrote:The same reason that blood angels are the only ones who can field Baal preds, or furioso dreads? Why can only space wolves take long fangs and thunderwolf cavalry? How come only Dark Angels gets Raven wing? Why do Templars have to hog all the neophytes? How come only grey knights have paladins and purifiers?

The codexes are barely different from each other to begin with, that's why. They need every ounce of individualism they can get.

Actually a lot of the special rules that separate the marine chapters are kind of dumb. The only reason we have such stupid limitations and unavailablity to other marine chapters is to make the chapters "unique". All a bunch of crap to make you buy more armies to use all the minis you want to use. The books are written in vaccuums too so that you can't even easily mix and match from the various marine codecies to play the army you want with your friends. Prices vary too widely between the various books. Also the units that are unique to various forces don't all have to be. The death company is an example of a truly unique unit for blood angels. Meanwhile there is just no really good reason for Blood angels to be the only force with access to baal predators, or librarian/chaplain dreadnoughts. Just dumb. Also why should long fangs have a special ability to split fire that *any* unit should be able to do to. Yep they are long lived...so is every other space marine in any other chapter who is a devastator. Unless killed in battle they are going to be around for quite some time, but can never get good enough with their weapons like long fangs to be able to shoot separate units. Just dumb... Limiting the stormtalon to some, but not all space marine forces would be just as dumb. There is no balance reason to do it. The only reason is to make you stop playing your current favorite army to buy and paint an almost identical army in different colors just so you can use the cool new model...

Skriker

^amen, so-say-we-all Brother Skriker.

(I did think that Devastators were junior marines, sent to the Devs after coming out of the scout company? )

mwnciboo wrote:^amen, so-say-we-all Brother Skriker.

(I did think that Devastators were junior marines, sent to the Devs after coming out of the scout company? )

i think that the new guys are the ones who have the bolters and support the older and more veteran troops who man the heavy weapons, but I may be wrong

mwnciboo wrote:^amen, so-say-we-all Brother Skriker.

(I did think that Devastators were junior marines, sent to the Devs after coming out of the scout company? )

Isn't it Scouts-----> Tac Marines who bo both shooting and melee then go either Devastators or Assault Marines depending how well you do.

Although, that does sound a bit too logical for the WH40k unniverse

It goes

Scout
Dev with Bolter who calls targets
Dev with Heavy weapon
Assault Marine. If he does well he can go straight to Vanguard Vet after 150+yrs
Tactical (they need to be experianced in both and flexible. Assault and Dev is training).
Either Sergeant of his squad or Veteran. Vets can be either 1st company or a command squad.
Vets assigned to 1st Company Squads or Sgts of others, usually scout or Tac Squads.
Sgts, usually the best and longest serving, is assigned to be Captain if his predecessor dies, or a 1st Company Vet is assigned to it.
Highly decorated individuals are inducted into honour guard unless the object, such as Sgt Telion.
Typically the first Captain becomes CM. If the Chapter council disagrees with this I believe they must unanimously elect a successor.

Eh? The scout sergeant decides where a scouts talents will be best placed, so he can be a scout then dev OR assault OR tactical.

Source: eye of vengeance

Deadshot wrote:It goes

Scout
Dev with Bolter who calls targets
Dev with Heavy weapon
Assault Marine. If he does well he can go straight to Vanguard Vet after 150+yrs
Tactical (they need to be experianced in both and flexible. Assault and Dev is training).
Either Sergeant of his squad or Veteran. Vets can be either 1st company or a command squad.
Vets assigned to 1st Company Squads or Sgts of others, usually scout or Tac Squads.
Sgts, usually the best and longest serving, is assigned to be Captain if his predecessor dies, or a 1st Company Vet is assigned to it.
Highly decorated individuals are inducted into honour guard unless the object, such as Sgt Telion.
Typically the first Captain becomes CM. If the Chapter council disagrees with this I believe they must unanimously elect a successor.

I take it it take 150 years to be a Sternguard as well, right?

My question is relative to a marine on the table how big is it?
And how expensive is it.
That is the deciding figures here for me.