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d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

angel of ecstasy wrote:Oh, KingCrackers cousin. You so racist.

In his defense we're all racist, except maybe a saint. Its just by degree. If you think you aren't at least in some manner you're delusional.

I think we might be able to make an argument for prejudice vs. racism to an extend. I do think that we all have our own prejudice that we inherit from the culture around us. Racism seems more extreme than that, but maybe it is just me trying to justify things in my mind.

Sure, but arent they the same thing?

And here is a question for you...

If I see a Muslim with a big beard and a back pack near me on the tube, I grab my missus and we move to the other end of the carriage on the million-to-once chance he is going to blow himself up. Sure 99.99% of Muslims aren't like that, but some are.

So is that racist, prejudiced, or just common sense?

what was the question?

If I see a guy with a beard on the subway my first thought will be "when did Texas get a subway? WHERE THE HELL AM I!?!?!?!"

mattyrm wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

angel of ecstasy wrote:Oh, KingCrackers cousin. You so racist.

In his defense we're all racist, except maybe a saint. Its just by degree. If you think you aren't at least in some manner you're delusional.

I think we might be able to make an argument for prejudice vs. racism to an extend. I do think that we all have our own prejudice that we inherit from the culture around us. Racism seems more extreme than that, but maybe it is just me trying to justify things in my mind.

Sure, but arent they the same thing?

And here is a question for you...

If I see a Muslim with a big beard and a back pack near me on the tube, I grab my missus and we move to the other end of the carriage on the million-to-once chance he is going to blow himself up. Sure 99.99% of Muslims aren't like that, but some are.

So is that racist, prejudiced, or just common sense?

Pragamtic and could quite possibly be interpreted as offensive

Myths and stereotypes often have a seed of reality. Even Jesse Jackson put this question to people and said he'd be less nervous if he turned around and saw a group of white teenagers vs. black teenagers behind him.

So don't everyone get too high on their high horse. The only real difference between you and the racist you make fun of is degree.

Well, it's not like i announce it to strangers and suggest everyone else follow suit.. So I vote for pragmatic.

mattyrm wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

angel of ecstasy wrote:Oh, KingCrackers cousin. You so racist.

In his defense we're all racist, except maybe a saint. Its just by degree. If you think you aren't at least in some manner you're delusional.

I think we might be able to make an argument for prejudice vs. racism to an extend. I do think that we all have our own prejudice that we inherit from the culture around us. Racism seems more extreme than that, but maybe it is just me trying to justify things in my mind.

Sure, but arent they the same thing?

And here is a question for you...

If I see a Muslim with a big beard and a back pack near me on the tube, I grab my missus and we move to the other end of the carriage on the million-to-once chance he is going to blow himself up. Sure 99.99% of Muslims aren't like that, but some are.

So is that racist, prejudiced, or just common sense?

It's racist and prejudiced, because you've made the assumption that people who don't look like your fantasy muslim suicide bomber are100% safe. Which is nonsense.

I don't think he assumed that. I sure don't.

*wannabe gangbanger - not safe. racist?
*teenybopper white boy - safe (because I can break him into little bitty pieces). racist?
*the chinka chinka music being played down the block. Without thinking I know they're far more likely to be from Mexico or Central America (or from here), and not Nigeria. Racist?

Wow if someone can find a point I'm trying to make just tell me, I appear to be babbling. Not enough coffee and I'm already ticked at associates.

I do agree with Frazz (shocking I know) on those points. I honestly tell my wife to not be ashamed if she sees some young rabble walking towards her to clutch her purse tighter, to lock her doors and so on. Is it discrimination? Of course it is, but those kinds of things can also save your life. Id rather Matty offend that Muslim on the subway and post here about it, then watching the news and tell my wife "Oh that fething sucks, I knew that guy" To me those type of prejudices are ok mainly because they can (even if rarely) save a life, and agree everyone is prejudice to a point.

But there is a pretty big difference from seeing some young black kids and locking your doors, to spitting racist slurs and insulting entire cultures just to sound cool and be all super American.

Maybe to me the difference between prejudice and racism could be intent. Prejudice might be more about how you act yourself (clutching a purse tighter) and racism includes maybe more external actions (automatically calling out the black guy when a purse is missing), if that makes any sense.

You can have prejudice and not let it affect the way you act with others, racism might be more about how you act with others?

But again, that could be me trying to rationalize.

Kilkrazy wrote:
It's racist and prejudiced, because you've made the assumption that people who don't look like your fantasy muslim suicide bomber are100% safe. Which is nonsense.

I don't assume that at all, you are just being his usual cantankerous hippy self. It is utterly ridiculous to sit there and make such a claim to a man who is as vocal about his distaste for the white-trash Englishmen that infest our streets. Me, the anti-chav, pro capital punishment kinda guy, thinks people that aren't big beardy Muslim blokes are 100% safe! Really?!

If a gang of white teenagers more than 6 or 7 strong was at the foot of a street drinking cans, I would about turn and feth off the long way round with my missus rather than risk their ire. Its sensible, why risk a confrontation for 60 seconds of detour?

Same goes for a gang of dodgy looking anything, be they white, black, or deranged-hobo looking. Its not "prejudiced" its common sense.

Indeed, if there were a few unsavoury white people sat at one end of a tube, then bet your ass I would feth off to the other end of the tube with my missus because I dont want to listen to the techno they are playing off their phones, listen to their gak conversation, tell them I dont smoke when they ask for one, or possibly risk being started on/stabbed.

Basically, you are full of gak. I vote Conservative (centre-right, but lets be honest, very bloody centre!) yet you equate me with a foaming neo-nazi simply because I find your cringing attitude repellant, and I always have done.

Like most people of your ilk, you wish to force your opinions onto everyone else and you get annoyed when people disagree with you, and that's why you have given me endless gak for the last 12 months. I am pleased to inform you that a staggering amount of non BNP voting British citizens feel the exact same way as I do, and would do the exact same thing when faced with a suspect looking bloke, regardless of their ethnicity. I think the chances of a big beardy bloke blowing me up on the tube are a million to one, but why take a risk? If there was a million to one chance you could get a brain tumour off a certain kind of toothpaste, wouldnt you change brands anyway?

Kilkrazy wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

angel of ecstasy wrote:Oh, KingCrackers cousin. You so racist.

In his defense we're all racist, except maybe a saint. Its just by degree. If you think you aren't at least in some manner you're delusional.

I think we might be able to make an argument for prejudice vs. racism to an extend. I do think that we all have our own prejudice that we inherit from the culture around us. Racism seems more extreme than that, but maybe it is just me trying to justify things in my mind.

Sure, but arent they the same thing?

And here is a question for you...

If I see a Muslim with a big beard and a back pack near me on the tube, I grab my missus and we move to the other end of the carriage on the million-to-once chance he is going to blow himself up. Sure 99.99% of Muslims aren't like that, but some are.

So is that racist, prejudiced, or just common sense?

It's racist and prejudiced, because you've made the assumption that people who don't look like your fantasy muslim suicide bomber are100% safe. Which is nonsense.

I didn't see any exclusivity in Matty's statement; he just didn't outline every person he would move for. It is prejudiced, but it's not racist. I'm sure he'd move down the tube if the person were offensively ginger vice Muslim.

AustonT wrote:I didn't see any exclusivity in Matty's statement; he just didn't outline every person he would move for. It is prejudiced, but it's not racist. I'm sure he'd move down the tube if the person were offensively ginger vice Muslim.

Exactly. I hate all this hippy PC nonsense.. prejudiced.. racist, everyone is bloody prejudiced or racist these days!

If someone smells like they haven't washed for a month and you move is that prejudiced against the smelly? If some big fat bird is eating a bucket of chicken directly across from you and its grossing you out and you move, is that prejudiced against greedy bastards?! Are you racist against the obese race?

feth me, and even if you ARE racist or prejudiced, as long as they don't actually say anything, or do anything, or encourage their kids to say anything, then who gives a feth anyway!?

Everyone hates something, or someone, or some group. You are entitled to your opinion, and you only cross the line into douche-bagville if you actually do anything about it.




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AustonT wrote:I'm sure he'd move down the tube if the person were offensively ginger vice Muslim.

Of course not, what? Do you take me for a bigot?

I would force them to wear a balaclava for the rest of the journey.

Ginger Spice? Is she a terrorist now? I'm so confused.

Frazzled wrote:Ginger Spice? Is she a terrorist now? I'm so confused.

Aren't they all?

Edit: Not because he's Irish

I live in the south so actually I'm used to racism. I am not racist myself, but I actually have three friends ( I use that term loosley) that are racist. Its ignorant but in the end you cant really say anything to change them. For these three they picked it up from their parents. And where did their parents get it? Thats right. Their parents.

Some people just don't change.

Racism is acting upon a prejudice based on race...
Prejudice is impossible to avoid but acting on it isn't.

purplefood wrote:Racism is acting upon a prejudice based on race...
Prejudice is impossible very difficult to avoid and will hopefully become easier to avoid in future generations but acting on it isn't.

Fix'd that for you.

With the current cultural biases we're constantly hammered with, it is very very difficult not to develop prejudices. But, I firmly believe that prejudice is entirely a social phenomena and doesn't develop on its own. In future generations, I sincerely hope that prejudice will be entirely removed from human society.

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:Racism is acting upon a prejudice based on race...
Prejudice is impossible very difficult to avoid and will hopefully become easier to avoid in future generations but acting on it isn't.

Fix'd that for you.

With the current cultural biases we're constantly hammered with, it is very very difficult not to develop prejudices. But, I firmly believe that prejudice is entirely a social phenomena and doesn't develop on its own. In future generations, I sincerely hope that prejudice will be entirely removed from human society.

Not true.
The first thing you when you see anyone for the first time is judge them based on their appearance...
You take into account everything. Body language, posture, how they walk, what they wear etc etc
We can avoid prejudices based on skin colour admittedly but not based on other factors.

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:Racism is acting upon a prejudice based on race...
Prejudice is impossible very difficult to avoid and will hopefully become easier to avoid in future generations but acting on it isn't.

Fix'd that for you.

With the current cultural biases we're constantly hammered with, it is very very difficult not to develop prejudices. But, I firmly believe that prejudice is entirely a social phenomena and doesn't develop on its own. In future generations, I sincerely hope that prejudice will be entirely removed from human society.

No.

Go and watch how toddlers interact with each other. Prejudice for what is different / unknown is pretty much human nature and as such is impossible to remove from our society. Racism can be eradicated, but I personally bet against it since there will always be ignorant people around...

PhantomViper wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:Racism is acting upon a prejudice based on race...
Prejudice is impossible very difficult to avoid and will hopefully become easier to avoid in future generations but acting on it isn't.

Fix'd that for you.

With the current cultural biases we're constantly hammered with, it is very very difficult not to develop prejudices. But, I firmly believe that prejudice is entirely a social phenomena and doesn't develop on its own. In future generations, I sincerely hope that prejudice will be entirely removed from human society.

No.

Go and watch how toddlers interact with each other. Prejudice for what is different / unknown is pretty much human nature and as such is impossible to remove from our society. Racism can be eradicated, but I personally bet against it since there will always be ignorant people around...

Huh, most toddlers I've seen get on pretty well with each other as long as one isn't hogging/snatching all the toys.

Color studies actually disprove that. Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Frazzled wrote:Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is this our chance to segway into "Your mama" jokes?

d-usa wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Followed by his next post where he was then complaining about how he "hates" people that brag about how many MPG their "foreign" cars get. He says F them all, he will rather keep his Chevy Avalanche, a REAL American made vehicle. This is where I started laughing my ass off at just how dumb he has become. So I replied on his facebook with some links to websites showing percentages and such on just how "American" American cars really are. AND how America makes MANY foreign cars here. Then, saving the best for last, showed him how his beloved American made Avalanche is actually assembled in a factory in Mexico, making his previous racist statement all the more awesome.



There....I really needed to vent. Cant stand people that are blatantly ignorant. If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

The car thing has always been a sore point for me. I got lots of coworkers and friends who love to drum up the "buy American" bandwagon and even if you talk to them about how their "American cars" are made in Mexico they still continue on about "but you support an American business!" ...

I usually tell them that I have two personal criteria when it comes to buying "American"

1) I will not buy a vehicle just because it is "American". Build a quality product and I will support you, not because of blind patriotic loyalty.
2) If I have to choose between an American company sending jobs out of the country, or a foreign company hiring American workers...then I will always support the American workers as long as condition #1 is met.

I will never own a Ford, even if one was given to me. This "American" company pissed me off back in the 1970's. When I found out they had a factory in Russia that was cranking out military vehicles bound for North Vietnam.

CT GAMER wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is this our chance to segway into "Your mama" jokes?

Of course!

Frazzled wrote:Color studies actually disprove that. Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is that prejudice or fear of strangers? If a child is just afraid of someone that looks different from their mother isnt is likely that is is precisely not their mother and could be a threat? Like when my newborn nieces got scared when i held them just after their mother?

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Color studies actually disprove that. Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is that prejudice or fear of strangers? If a child is just afraid of someone that looks different from their mother isnt is likely that is is precisely not their mother and could be a threat? Like when my newborn nieces got scared when i held them just after their mother?

That's just their natural fear of bronies.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Is that prejudice or fear of strangers? If a child is just afraid of someone that looks different from their mother isnt is likely that is is precisely not their mother and could be a threat? Like when my newborn nieces got scared when i held them just after their mother?

Prejudiced against strangers. What's the difference?

Relapse wrote:
I will never own a Ford, even if one was given to me. This "American" company pissed me off back in the 1970's. When I found out they had a factory in Russia that was cranking out military vehicles bound for North Vietnam.

It was never really a secret that GAZ and Ford were working together. If you are talking about an actual Ford plant in Russia post 1938 I would appreciate a link.

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Color studies actually disprove that. Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is that prejudice or fear of strangers? If a child is just afraid of someone that looks different from their mother isnt is likely that is is precisely not their mother and could be a threat? Like when my newborn nieces got scared when i held them just after their mother?

You missed the point. Strangers that look like mom get a better reaction than strangers that don't.

Frazzled wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Color studies actually disprove that. Toddlers react differently to strangers who have a different tan level or facial features than mom.

Is that prejudice or fear of strangers? If a child is just afraid of someone that looks different from their mother isnt is likely that is is precisely not their mother and could be a threat? Like when my newborn nieces got scared when i held them just after their mother?

You missed the point. Strangers that look like mom get a better reaction than strangers that don't.

Hmmmm....



I've got it!

We require mothers to always wear masks around their children.

BAM! Racism solved.

You're welcome.